Egypt | Army Ousts Mursi govt, violence erupts | News & Discussions

[iranigirl2]

This doesn't look good, I really hope all the parties in Egypt stop the escalation before it turns into a civil war, Some Islamist groups already have dictated the Egyption army and the anti-Morsi protesters to be a legitimate target. Some Army checkpoints have been attacked.

The US has expressed their dismay with the removal of their puppets in Egypt.
McCain calls for suspension of U.S. military aid to Egypt - Alarabiya.net English | Front Page

McCain is slowly becoming the spokesperson for Muslim Brotherhood! He represents them in Syria and now in Egypt!!!

 

[Ceylal]

Second revolution had begun in Egypt! Pro Islamist protesters are huge outside! I repeat, MILLIONS all over EGYPT!

Can't wait to see General El Sisi's reaction haha

 

[fallstuff]

The issue seems to me is two competing set of authorities. The President VS Supreme Council of the Armed Forces. You got this "Supreme Council of the Armed Forces" intervening with the work of Morsi. This will paralyze any presidency, not only Morsis as any opposition failed to garner political power through election will find running to Supreme Council of the Armed Forces as the quick fix.

There will always be problem/head-butting if the next President don't want to be bogged down by the so call Supreme Council of the Armed Forces. This makes the Egyptian Representative form of Govt a laughing stock. This sort of sounds like the Guardians in Iran. However, to be fair to the Iranians, their legislature actually elect these guys.

 

[Ceylal]

Pro Mursi officers should now stage a counter coup and send the traitor al Sissi to hell.That is the only way to save Egypt now,demonstrations will effect no one.Shoot the traitor dead !

like you put zia el haq back to power..Its the people of Egypt that dismissed Morsi, not the army..The army did not to take power. Morsi government was not a functional one by any standard.

 

[Hussein]

The US has expressed their dismay with the removal of their puppets in Egypt.
McCain calls for suspension of U.S. military aid to Egypt - Alarabiya.net English | Front Page

this is not USA but McCain . He wants to be a pain for Obama

 

[Ceylal]

Pathetic, simply pathetic

THIS IS A COUP
THE LIBERAL TAMAROD SLIME ARE TRAITORS
This not a coup..A coup is a take over by force of a functional government..Morsi government was in disarray, and the army didn't appoint one there own at the helm, they point a civilian, a judge, in the interrim period to form a government, until election can be held.

 

[fallstuff]

McCain is slowly becoming the spokesperson for Muslim Brotherhood! He represents them in Syria and now in Egypt!!!

I don't like McCain much as he likes to stir **** up all over the world, however, I think he is spot on this one by not supporting the Military Coup.
He always wanted the democratic process in ME believing the lack of it cause most of the troubles in the ME.

 

[Yzd Khalifa]

what the thing with the shoes?

A sign of disrespect for the remarks Morsi had made in his last speech.

 

[Solomon2]

The issue seems to me is two competing set of authorities. The President VS Supreme Council of the Armed Forces. You got this "Supreme Council of the Armed Forces" intervening with the work of Morsi. This will paralyze any presidency, not only Morsis as any opposition failed to garner political power through election will find running to Supreme Council of the Armed Forces as the quick fix.

MICHAEL WEISS
July 3, 2013

Between Sisi and Morsi

Mohammed Morsi is effectively a prisoner in his own castle. The Egyptian president who earned the cover of Time magazine last November – shortly after helping to broker an Israeli-Hamas ceasefire in Gaza and shortly before arrogating to himself unprecedented executive powers – is politically finished. Hubris, stupidity, and one of the largest rallies in recorded history were his undoing. So was one of his own appointees. On Monday, Defense Minister Gen. Abdel Fattah Al Sisi gave Morsi 48-hours to meet the “people’s demands” before Egypt’s Supreme Council of the Armed Forces (SCAF), now more than ever a junta in reserve, “disclose[d] its own future plan” for the country. But the people’s chief demand, as Sisi well knew, was to topple Morsi, and as the popular reaction to the general’s demarche and to the flag-draping army helicopters flying low over Cairo made clear, the people were fine with using the military to achieve that end.

SCAF sounds like a bad skin condition but it might as well be another term for amnesia. Was this not the same state institution, unchanged from the bad old days of Hosni Mubarak, that conducted “virginity tests” on women, fired lethal rounds at protestors, conducted an anti-Christian pogrom at Maspero, and otherwise oversaw a calamitous 18-month “transitional” period that it itself was only too pleased to see the back of? Well yes, but that was such a long time ago, before Morsi decided that the unsmiling transformation of Egypt into Ikhwanistan took precedence over food and fuel shortages and sweeping unemployment. Now, thanks to a conveniently leaked “road map,” we were all made aware that SCAF would be taking it from here by instituting a civilian interim governing council and forestalling parliamentary elections until the vague, menacing mess of the jammed-through Egyptian constitution was torn up and redrafted. As I write, mere minutes from the expiration of Sisi’s ultimatum, the military has established a “presence” in the newsroom of Egyptian state television where it intends to screen all broadcast content in the forthcoming hours. Meanwhile, Tahrir Square is jubilant.

In a way, it’s hard not to sympathize with former anti-Mubarak agitators turned army nostalgics such as Mohammed Badr, now the de facto leader of the Tamarod (“rebellion”) movement to unseat Morsi. If his ideology weren’t a big enough problem on its own, Morsi’s tone-deaf incompetence surely was. Presented with a national complaint that exceeded in both size and scope the one that ousted his predecessor, Morsi has done everything to legitimate the opposition’s argument that, at a time of emergency, Egypt is being lorded over by an authoritarian nincompoop who thinks he’s got all the time in the world. (One way to make the word “coup” suddenly palatable again is to appoint a member of a terrorist group the provincial governor of the region where that group once perpetrated it worst terrorist attack.)

Morsi has indeed treated his opponents as if they simply do not exist, surely a reflex response of decades of having kept only the counsel of his fellow subscribers of a cult movement that seems to borrow from both Bolshevism and Heaven’s Gate. Even as half a dozen or so members of his own cabinet tendered their resignations, even as Brotherhood heavies were being seized and placed under house arrest, and even as Brotherhood HQ was being set alight, the president was neither seen nor heard from. When he finally took to the airwaves at midnight last night to reject Sisi’s ultimatum, Morsi affirmed that the price for his maintenance in power could be his own life – not realizing that this was a price many are eager to see paid.

The United States, meanwhile, is caught in another one of those embarrassing moments of strategic confusion that are so easily the handmaids to foreign conspiracy theories. There may not be truth in the allegation that Washington “backs” the Brotherhood, but Washington’s silence at the steady, Brotherhood-led erosion of civil liberties and human rights in Egypt has not endeared Tamarod to the billion-dollar financier of the new-minted savior army. Such paradoxical politics are the stuff of fun on Twitter, but Tamarod’s opportunism is the result of the double bind it now faces between Sisi and Morsi.

President Obama has said recently, though only discovered belatedly, that democracy must not be confused with the mere holding of elections. Whatever happens from here, one lesson that should be learned from Egypt’s latest round of convulsions is the sentimental pieties and determinisms with which we continue to approach history require a serious rethink. The image of an ink-stained finger or an old man arriving at a polling station to participate in the first free election of his life are undeniably more captivating for viewers of CNN or Al Jazeera than the latest report from the International Monetary Fund or Human Rights Watch. And yet, because the more significant bricks-and-mortar work that goes into building a functioning state and safeguarding an independent civil society is so easily ignored, that work is usually the first victim of the aspiring tyrants of the ballot box. Critical journalists can thus be fired from their jobs, NGO workers can be put on trial for phantom conspiracies, women can be characterized as Adam’s rib, opposition leaders can be beaten or locked up – all in the name of a concept “democracy” that been fetishized to near meaninglessness. Put it this way: if the ruling party in a true democracy is shown to be running torture facilities out of the official residence of the chief executive, it will not take a new election to remove that party from power.

“A toothache will cost a battle, a drizzle cancel an insurrection” was Nabokov’s mordant indictment of Marx’s attempt to ascribe scientific “laws” to history. But the great Russian could have just as easily been speaking of the legion of Western commentators who have brought their expertise to bear on the Arab Spring. Many whom you’ll now recognize by their nervousness have managed to marry outsize aspirations for popular demonstrations with cynical, if often unstated, prescriptions as to what must follow therefrom. I don’t know what to call this school of thinking but Orientalism turned on its head. It holds that what Arabs need most is to rid themselves of secular dictators and submit to the majoritarian rule of elected religious reactionaries. A quick scan through the opinion pages of international newspapers over the past two and a half years indicates that Islamism was the inevitable alternative for the Middle East because its adherents were the best organized and most disciplined, and their history of persecution had lent a patina of authenticity to their decades-long struggle. As such, the blatant totalitarian tendencies of Islamists had to be whitewashed or minimized in favor of a happier propaganda that depicted this 'ism' as tolerant, pluralistic, “moderate”, and sincere in its avowals (usually made in English) to be all those things.

There is actually very little intellectual difference between the supporters of the ancien regime of Mubarak who warned of a pending “Islamist Winter” and the apologists of the Muslim Brotherhood who said that this was the best that could be expected. Both camps have condescendingly consigned Egypt to a role that it does not wish to play: that of a ward of modernity which must choose between strongmen in epaulettes or beards.

Shall we maintain the illusion that if and when SCAF wins today, the people won’t be back tomorrow?

 

[pkuser2k12]

Mursi Mursi Allah o Akbar... Listen to the Egypt Crowd Spirit

Allah ho Akbar​

 

[Solomon2]

Egyptian protesters thrown from the roof top in Alexandria

Egyptian protesters thrown from the roof top in Alexandria - YouTube

They may have caught the guy who threw them: link

Authorities: Man who threw anti-Mursi protesters off building caught
Sunday, 7 July 2013

The 19-year-old Hamada Badr was killed after being thrown off a building in Alexandria by what appeared to be an Islamist supporter of ousted President Mohammed Mursi. (Photo courtesy: activists)

Al Arabiya
Egyptian security forces have arrested a man suspected of taking part in throwing two young protesters off a residential building in Alexandria, Al Arabiya correspondent reported.

Activists circulated on Saturday a video online showing what appeared to be Islamist supporters of ousted President Mohammed Mursi throwing two young men off a Sidi Jaber building during clashes in Egypt’s second largest city, Alexandria.

One of the young men was killed. He was identified as the 19-year-old Hamada Badr. Activists say he was celebrating Mursi’s ouster when he came into encounter with Muslim Brotherhood supporters.

Father of the slain teen said the pro-Mursi Islamists wanted to take vengeance against Hamada and his two other friends, because they were throwing bricks off the building against the Islamist crowds surrounding it at the time.

On Sunday, authorities in Alexandria said that it will deploy its security forces after Islamist groups such as the Muslim Brotherhood, from which Mursi hails, called for a protest in Sidi Jaber.

“Our duty is to secure the protesters and people living in the area. We will work to separate people in case clashes occur,” Al-Dostor newspaper reported General Amin Izzadin as saying.

On Friday, clashes between opponents and supporters of Mursi flared in Egypt, killing at least 46 people nationwide, with the heaviest death toll registered in Alexandria.

 

[Solomon2]

Mursi Mursi Allah o Akbar... Listen to the Egypt Crowd Spirit

You might want to do some counting. There are far less than 5,000 people there - very few in comparison to the millions on the streets against Morsi.​

 

[darkinsky]

funny guy as well xD

 

[Solomon2]

funny guy as well xD

You made an excellent choice, darkinsky. I'm impressed.

 

[Solomon2]

From Egypt Independent:

The Army and the people stand together, holding the torch of liberty​

For comparison, here's the Statue of Liberty's torch in New York harbor:

I'm not sure I like all this Army-is-the-people stuff. I'm willing to give it ten days more before judgment.