Edit: DAC 13thMay 2015 : M777, C295, Brahmos deals cleared.. 200 Ka226T ordered, Plan for INS Vishal

[Prajapati]

Well these are only DAC clearances and far away from any signed contract, but at least for the Avro replacement that's a good step, seems like Parrikar has understood that these aircrafts are important. Other than that, we already have the MTA development for the medium class.

How gracious of you to issue a "certificate" to Parrikar ...... he must be so thrilled. PDF self styled "expert" sharing his condescending grants to the Defence Minister.

Any defence procurement is demanding at least 30% offsets to be diverted to India, that's the policy that was implemented by the former government. Nowadays that's just called Make in India, as a general term for anything that gives back some production to India (offsets, assembly or licence production lines included). So no matter if it's 145 or just 45 howitzers, there must be offsets diverted back to India, but the smaller the deal and the more difficult the ToT relation with the vendor country, the less important things we get in return. In this case, we hardly get the assembly of the gun that will be produced in the US, to it's platform, that could be produced in India.

Pretty shameless of you to peddle LIES AGAIN. How far will you let you anti-Hindutva bias cloud your judgement ?

During the period 1993-2004, European countries were able to obtain offsets valued at 99.1 percent of their defence imports however your precious congress govt did nothing of that sort.

The earlier NDA govt. of Vajpayee in 2002-3 devise a policy for offsets that was designed to help India become a defence exporter. The RFI for MMRCA which went out in 2004 asked for significant offset. Offset finally became part of DPP in 2005.

NOW that we know the truth, let us know how you came to the conclusion that the M-777 will not be produced in India. Not now and not in the future. All reports say that BAe has promised to build them in India.

Now BAE was planing to shut down its production system in England and has promised to shift its entire production facility to India if it got the Indian deal.

With no Indian orders, BAE Systems starts shutdown of M777 gun factory | Business Standard News

BAE Systems offers to move M777 production line to India - IHS Jane's 360

"We have included in our offer the transfer of the [M777] Assembly Integration & Test (AIT) capabilities into India"

 

[sancho]

How gracious of you to issue a "certificate" to Parrikar ...... he must be so thrilled. PDF self styled "expert" sharing his condescending grants to the Defence Minister.

Actually, he might had been convinced by the recent reports that the ICG wants to be part of the deal, at least I hope so, but my point was about his remarks that IAF doesn't really need an Avro replacement, which the IAF refuted too. So if he now clears the deal, his opinon has changed and obviously in the right direction!

The RFI for MMRCA which went out in 2004 asked for significant offset. Offset finally became part of DPP in 2005.

The request for Information, has nothing to do with defence policies and who was in power in 2005, when the DPP even you refer to was brought in?
However I refer to the later DPP changes, that includes the team up with Indian industry partners in JV's to divert the offsets, which was implemented by the then DM Antony!

NOW that we know the truth, let us know how you came to the conclusion that the M-777 will not be produced in India. Not now and not in the future. All reports say that BAe has promised to build them in India.

Now BAE was planing to shut down its production system in England and has promised to shift its entire production facility to India if it got the Indian deal...

"We have included in our offer the transfer of the [M777] Assembly Integration & Test (AIT) capabilities into India"

At least try to understand your own links and quotes!!!

They don't divert the production of the howitzer to India, but the assembly line and some test facilities as part of the offset deal. So it's still the same deal, that was under negotiations for years, under the rules and regulations of the former MoD, that's why the official deal is still done under the "buy and make Indian" policy, while Make in India is just a PR term.

 

[Prajapati]

Actually, he might had been convinced by the recent reports that the ICG wants to be part of the deal, at least I hope so, but my point was about his remarks that IAF doesn't really need an Avro replacement, which the IAF refuted too. So if he now clears the deal, his opinon has changed and obviously in the right direction!

More LIES. Provide link that says Parrikar said "IAF doesn't really need an Avro replacement"

The request for Information, has nothing to do with defence policies and who was in power in 2005, when the DPP even you refer to was brought in?
However I refer to the later DPP changes, that includes the team up with Indian industry partners in JV's to divert the offsets, which was implemented by the then DM Antony!

Nope. Offset for DPP was brought in by Vajpayee. Once it was part of DPP, Antony did not have a choice but implement it. he did nobody any favour. So when you said " that's the policy that was implemented by the former government. Nowadays that's just called Make in India" it was a LIE.

Its like saying the govt. implemented the Law and the Constitution of India

At least try to understand your own links and quotes!!!

No thanks for that condescending attempt at displaying superiority, but its Time you learn to stop lying to promoting your agenda.

They don't divert the production of the howitzer to India, but the assembly line and some test facilities as part of the offset deal. So it's still the same deal, that was under negotiations for years, under the rules and regulations of the former MoD, that's why the official deal is still done under the "buy and make Indian" policy, while Make in India is just a PR term.

Make in India is a mission of the current GoI, not a PR term. So is Swatch Bharat.

You are confusing it with the Congress style "Gariba hatao" PR activity.

"Make in India" is part of DPP 2013 which governs Defence purchase.


"Make in India" initiative by the GoI is an initiative that covers ALL other products and services too.


Either you are STUPID not to understand such simple facts or your are LYING to push your Anti-Hindutva Agenda. Which is it ?

 

[GURU DUTT]

There are no competitors anymore, since no other foreign vendor was ready to comply to the demands of the tender and no other Indian privat company was ready to team up with a foreign partner for such a small order. TATA and Airbus were the only once that were ready, but so far the deal was stuck in the single vendor situation.
The C295 has a low unit cost (often given with $50 million) and low operational costs, compared to the C27J for example, which makes it an ideal replacement for the lower end logistical transports. But since they are in the same class as the AN32s, they will surely do far more than the Avros they replace. The new W version comes with improved performance for hot and high regions and still is also the ideal platform for ICG' and IN's MPA requirement too, which is why we need to expand this order as soon as possible.

Thanks sir

but That i know what i meant about was class and how is it comparable to A 400 or C-130 J or MTA /An-178 with respect to

1.load carrying capacity

2.range

3.cost of ownership(mentainence & feul economy)

Kindly elaborate & Thanks in Advance

 

[sancho]

Thanks sir

but That i know what i meant about was class and how is it comparable to A 400 or C-130 J or MTA /An-178 with respect to

1.load carrying capacity

2.range

3.cost of ownership(mentainence & feul economy)

Kindly elaborate & Thanks in Advance

It's not comparable to those, since it's far smaller and not meant for heavy or tactical transports. You can transport cargo / palets, troops and even smaller vehicles, but by far not in the range of MTA, ot the larger aircrafts. The C295 will do anything the An 32 does today, just better and with less problems about upgrades or spares.
I made a cargehold size comparison once, must check if I find the thread again.

More LIES. Provide link that says Parrikar said "IAF doesn't really need an Avro replacement"

DefMin questions the need to replace Avro

The ministry of defence (MoD) on Wednesday declined to clear the Indian Air Force's (IAF) proposal for an Indian private sector company to build 56 medium transport aircraft in India. Instead, the ministry has asked the IAF why a new aircraft is needed at all.

Defence Minister Manohar Parrikar raised the question on Wednesday at a meeting of the ministry's apex Defence Acquisition Council (DAC). The IAF will be required to answer.

wap.business-standard.com/article/economy-policy/defmin-questions-the-need-to-replace-avro-114121800066_1.html

Sad when people get blinded by party politics and can't see the reality anymore.[/QUOTE]

 

[sancho]

@GURU DUTT

Can't find the thread anymore, but here is the cabin cross section that I made, to show the differences:

 

[GURU DUTT]

@GURU DUTT

Can't find the thread anymore, but here is the cabin cross section that I made, to show the differences:

thanks a lot sir that is more than enof

 

[magudi]

@Water Car Engineer Found this sir ,have a look
Make in India: Gurgaon-based Sun Group may partner Russia to make Kamov helicopters - The Economic Times