Ecologists denounce PTI one billion tree campaign in KP

[Dubious]

Anything against nature is itself poor planning.

I can agree with that infact my 1st post on this thread already showed that:

I do agree Conocarpus is definitely not the right choice as it may not grow in Peshawar climate but suggesting Ziziphus kind of gave the man away!

Its silly to spend tens of billions of dollars on something like dams which are not sustainable

Seriously this has to be why the politicians arent even giving it a thought! I mean it may increase electricity for the grid, lets not consider the water can be collected for drought, help collect water and ease flooding....just some reasons on the top of my head...

First, you have to evacuate populations of towns and villages and cut thousands of trees.

For building dams? or for planting forests? There are MANY places where dams can be built and besides many of the land mafia under the politicians have a PhD in evacuating populations!

Second, create artificial valleys but thats not always successful. In Pakistan, majority are built on earthquake fault lines and in the future, if a natural disaster were to strike, the damage could be catastrophic.

Not all are...

As for artificial valleys are not a must...it is 1 of the many ways to build a dam! but not the ONLY

Third, concrete is used to channel and store water. If you did not know already, it has a life and requires regular maintenance and costs and the nature of material is such that large amount of water gets evaporated by heat and sunlight

And evaporation results in condensation and precipitation....transpiration also keeps the land cooler!

As for the concrete, are you telling me all the countries running on hydroelectric power havent come up with better concrete than the 3rd level ones politicians use for everything? Always quick to pay the highest for the worst quality shit?!

Last but certainly not the least, it is often said they are needed because of energy requirements, however, facts will tell you the amount of money spent on this project could instead be used to give every house hold a solar panel which has no operational costs.

That can be an secondary option but we are talking about multiple uses and not JUST for energy- flood control, water conservation for dry days- water which is wasted in flooding villages and killing lives could be contained for usage, we have IVC era irrigation which can be improved...you just like the politicians who fought Kalabagh dam till their graves only see nothing yet the world is flourishing on hydroelectric power whereby our people are dying coz of heatwaves!

* Other than developing countries, no one else is building dams. North America and Europe built them in the 60s and today the the reality is they admit it has become a danger to them and costly to maintain.

I am not sure where you do your readings from MOST of the European countries are either using Hydroelectric powers, solar, geothermal, wind, nuclear and finally fossil fuels!

Figure from 2013/ 2014:

From http://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statis..._2013_(1)_(%_of_total,_based_on_GWh)_YB15.png

Israel

Over the years, Israel has implemented centralized water planning andreal pricing, appointed regulators, educated citizens to conserve water, desalinated sea water, used drip irrigation and treated nearly all of its sewage, recycling it for crops.


So when will politicians educate their people? I mean in Paksitan raising awareness is always seen as a threat!

No species of plants and animals is more dangerous for the society than uneducated, ill-mannered and corruption-hugging zombies.

nailed it

 

[Edevelop]

I am not sure where you do your readings from MOST of the European countries are either using Hydroelectric powers, solar, geothermal, wind, nuclear and finally fossil fuels!

Figure from 2013/ 2014:

Dams Are Being Blown Up All Over America, and That's a Good Thing

Last year, 72 dams were turned from walls to waterways, either torn down or blown up in the United States to restore some 730 miles of rivers from California to Pennsylvania.

That set a new record in dam removals, according to conservation group American Rivers.

While a dam building boom continues in the Amazon, China, and Africa, the tide has turned in Europe and the U.S., where conservationists have been working to tear down decrepit and environmentally damaging dams over the past 20 years.

“The river restoration movement in our country is stronger than ever,” Bob Irvin, president of American Rivers said. “Communities nationwide are removing dams because they recognize that a healthy, free-flowing river is a tremendous asset.”

The map below shows where dams were removed in 2014.

The cost of keeping old dams intact often is too high. Besides saving money, returning rivers to their natural course improves water quality, revitalizes salmon runs, and promotes wildlife biodiversity.

Eighty-two percent of the 1,185 dams removed since 1912 have been taken out in the last two decades. While the focus has been on demolishing outdated dams that pose a risk to public safety, American Rivers and other conservation groups are moving to watershed-wide restoration by eliminating multiple dams along a river.

"We're trying to work more strategically, to have the biggest impact with limited funds and limited people," Serena McClain of American Rivers told National Geographic. "So we're looking not just at old and outdated dams, but at dams that currently serve a purpose."

One of the most spectacular dam demolitions was the dismantling of the 210-foot Glines Canyon Damon Washington’s Elwha River—the largest ever removed in the United States.

That dam had been one in a line of hydroelectric dams stopping native salmon from swimming upstream to lay their eggs. But last year, habitat managers spotted chinook salmon in their historical spawning grounds for the first time in 100 years. It took nearly three years and $325 million to restore the river to its natural state.

http://www.takepart.com/article/201...en-down-all-over-america-and-thats-good-thing

 

[Jzaib]

Dams Are Being Blown Up All Over America, and That's a Good Thing

bro u are up? why r u not replying me . i asked u to tell me when did the flats in london are bought and do u have money trail for it?

 

[Dubious]

Dams Are Being Blown Up All Over America, and That's a Good Thing

Last year, 72 dams were turned from walls to waterways, either torn down or blown up in the United States to restore some 730 miles of rivers from California to Pennsylvania.

That set a new record in dam removals, according to conservation group American Rivers.

While a dam building boom continues in the Amazon, China, and Africa, the tide has turned in Europe and the U.S., where conservationists have been working to tear down decrepit and environmentally damaging dams over the past 20 years.

“The river restoration movement in our country is stronger than ever,” Bob Irvin, president of American Rivers said. “Communities nationwide are removing dams because they recognize that a healthy, free-flowing river is a tremendous asset.”

The map below shows where dams were removed in 2014.

The cost of keeping old dams intact often is too high. Besides saving money, returning rivers to their natural course improves water quality, revitalizes salmon runs, and promotes wildlife biodiversity.

Eighty-two percent of the 1,185 dams removed since 1912 have been taken out in the last two decades. While the focus has been on demolishing outdated dams that pose a risk to public safety, American Rivers and other conservation groups are moving to watershed-wide restoration by eliminating multiple dams along a river.

"We're trying to work more strategically, to have the biggest impact with limited funds and limited people," Serena McClain of American Rivers told National Geographic. "So we're looking not just at old and outdated dams, but at dams that currently serve a purpose."

One of the most spectacular dam demolitions was the dismantling of the 210-foot Glines Canyon Damon Washington’s Elwha River—the largest ever removed in the United States.

That dam had been one in a line of hydroelectric dams stopping native salmon from swimming upstream to lay their eggs. But last year, habitat managers spotted chinook salmon in their historical spawning grounds for the first time in 100 years. It took nearly three years and $325 million to restore the river to its natural state.

http://www.takepart.com/article/201...en-down-all-over-america-and-thats-good-thing

Sure dam have some problems, silt accumulation and all...But right now we are facing floods like America....Furthermore, it is America that still hasnt accepted Global warming as a problem ....and lastly it is us who needs energy and drinking water during summer not Americans.....

So following their footsteps when we have a different set of problems should not be something an educated person should run towards!

 

[Jzaib]

Sure dam have some problems, silt accumulation and all...But right now we are facing floods like America....Furthermore, it is America that still hasnt accepted Global warming as a problem ....and lastly it is us who needs energy and drinking water during summer not Americans.....

So following their footsteps when we have a different set of problems should not be something an educated person should run towards!

please get my answer as well. im asking all noon leagues but no one is replying

 

[Edevelop]

bro u are up? why r u not replying me . i asked u to tell me when did the flats in london are bought and do u have money trail for it?

What is your question ?

Sure dam have some problems, silt accumulation and all...But right now we are facing floods like America....Furthermore, it is America that still hasnt accepted Global warming as a problem ....and lastly it is us who needs energy and drinking water during summer not Americans.....

So following their footsteps when we have a different set of problems should not be something an educated person should run towards!

You can thank Ayub Khan signing the Indus Water treaty, granting India the right to control rivers like Baes, Ravi, and Sutlej.

 

[Dubious]

You can thank Ayub Khan signing the Indus Water treaty, granting India the right to control rivers like Baes, Ravi, and Sutlej.

living and blaming the past wont do us any good...You yourself showed me 2 articles of deserts which have managed their water...We are not a desert so we should be better than that! IF only educated people stop following others and ONLY take them as examples not to copy them but learn from them!

 

[Edevelop]

living and blaming the past wont do us any good...You yourself showed me 2 articles of deserts which have managed their water...We are not a desert so we should be better than that! IF only educated people stop following others and ONLY take them as examples not to copy them but learn from them!

Indeed I have given you some examples but to answer your concerns about floods, India is an addition to our own environment failures.

You don't have to be educated to know everything. Like I said, simple things are good. People living in towns and villages of Gilgit Baltistan and Azad Kashmir have a good system and that should be taken positively

 

[Dubious]

You don't have to be educated to know everything.

No you dont but you need to be educated to know MOST things and how to plan ahead!

People living in towns and villages of Gilgit Baltistan and Azad Kashmir have a good system and thats a start for us.

They may know from inherited knowledge

Its really sad Pakistan just doesnt get up go to the UN and tell them : look people you have been given about 70 yrs and you still cant make up your mind about Kashmir, and just slap the referendum! After all we all have waited about 70 years if UN wanted to make some decision it would have done so...India isnt yielding its not like any such favours were granted when many countries were split!

 

[Jzaib]

What is your question ?



You can thank Ayub Khan signing the Indus Water treaty, granting India the right to control rivers like Baes, Ravi, and Sutlej.

when did nawaz sharif bought flats in london? is there any money trail u could provide

 

[Edevelop]

when did nawaz sharif bought flats in london? is there any money trail u could provide

I'm neither a member of PML-N nor I have any interest in anyone's property and money trails. Go figure yourself.

No you dont but you need to be educated to know MOST things and how to plan ahead!

I'm arguing we don't need dams and that basically means not requiring any engineers and heavy machinery. Yes to have a model like Israel, you need a plan but its nothing too complicated. Thats the essence I'm trying to explain.

 

[Jzaib]

I'm neither a member of PML-N nor I have any interest in anyone's property and money trails. Go figure yourself.



I'm arguing we don't need dams and that basically means not requiring any engineers. Yes to have a model like Israel, you need a plan but its nothing to complicated. Thats the essence I'm trying to explain.

but u a;ways defend every sharif family member. u can see ur histpry most of ur post is against any party who attacks pmln. u keep promoting them all over PDF. haven't u done research about it?

 

[Edevelop]

but u a;ways defend every sharif family member. u can see ur histpry most of ur post is against any party who attacks pmln. u keep promoting them all over PDF. haven't u done research about it?

My arguments are always based on substance, one party is delivering its promises, while others are sitting, bashing, and not competing. At the end of the day people elect those they feel are meeting their needs.

 

[Jzaib]

My arguments are always based on substance, one party is delivering its promises, while others are sitting, bashing, and not competing. At the end of the day people elect those they feel are meeting their needs.

why dnt u ever talk about their corruption . how appointing their loyals in every institution is destroying pakistan

 

[risingsinga]

bro u are up? why r u not replying me . i asked u to tell me when did the flats in london are bought and do u have money trail for it?

Are you chasing him over Panama leaks?.....I guess they don't have answ

Anything against nature is itself poor planning.

Its silly to spend tens of billions of dollars on something like dams which are not sustainable

First, you have to evacuate populations of towns and villages and cut thousands of trees.

Second, create artificial valleys but thats not always successful. In Pakistan, majority are built on earthquake fault lines and in the future, if a natural disaster were to strike, the damage could be catastrophic.

Third, concrete is used to channel and store water. If you did not know already, it has a life and requires regular maintenance and costs and the nature of material is such that large amount of water gets evaporated by heat and sunlight

Last but certainly not the least, it is often said they are needed because of energy requirements, however, facts will tell you the amount of money spent on this project could instead be used to give every house hold a solar panel which has no operational costs.

* Other than developing countries, no one else is building dams. North America and Europe built them in the 60s and today the the reality is they admit it has become a danger to them and costly to maintain.

* Sometimes the simple things are the solutions

Have a look at what desert countries like Saudi Arabia and Israel are able to do.

http://www.akdn.org/architecture/project.asp?id=2258
http://www.timesofisrael.com/how-israel-became-a-water-superpower/

Thank who ? Its people like you who are to blame. If people had slight knowledge and interest in actually developing the country and debating pros and cons, things would have been a lot different. If there is no chance of Kalabagh dam being built due to political pressures leading to ethnic pressures, people should have fcking moved on 30 years ago and found other ideas.

After reading your comment, I conclude that little knowledge is a dangerous thing.