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Ecologists denounce PTI one billion tree campaign in KP

Fact. Pakistan will save $ 1 Billion annually with the LNG projects and its is cheaper than what we are producing with Oil.
fact- we purchased LNG expensive even when it was low at world market - why?

Solar park completed its first phase of 100 MW. Other Phases of 900 MW are to follow within the next 2 years which will make it the world's largest. It may seem like its expensive but its not. There is no operational cost. Its free energy !
The worlds largest and show sha might be another trick to get votes:
http://edition.cnn.com/2016/02/08/africa/ouarzazate-morocco-solar-plant/

Here are the facts:
Paksitan:
capacity to generate 1,000 MW
a cost of about $131 million
14 to 15 US cents per kWh

Morocco:
2,000 megawatts
$573.8bn - have a power cable link to Europe
electricity produced for $0.19/kW·h

So it isnt the largest ... Unless they mean largest in size? That I dont know much about...Morocco is using different cells hence the expense but still costly though!

Biomass projects are under construction in Punjab
That is good to know but wonder how much research they put in...from past projects I understand their idea of research is sending uneducated people overseas or bringing scientists from overseas to brief uneducated "leaders" about things they dont understand and just blindly sign - anghuta chaap style ;)

Are there a lot of forests ?
I dont know, try zoom in!

But you were saying dams are needed to stop flooding and for industrialization practices
Yes, they are needed but not compulsory! Almost every country on the planet built dams for hydroelectric power to get industrialized- now we have alternatives for energy but not soo much for floods- which we can see Punjab facing and having a fixed govt for 3 decades, it shows nothing has been done despite the stability :tsk: and some people have the audacity to question a new govt in KPK in its 1st round as a govt, of a very much ignored province....kind of shows how much you think of Noon - their 3 decades of experience in 1 place is = to 1st round govt in an underdeveloped province

From 1993? Are you telling highly educated Pakistanis dont have an updated research since 1993?

You do realize the book has Conocarpus lancifolius in it - how can this be not native and will destroy Pakistan? Maybe not to be grown in KPK but recently Peshawar did suffer flooding so I think the dynamics have changed SINCE 1993

And I already gave the forest types- maybe you didnt read my post!

The Acacia the ecologist in OP suggested was also not native to Pakistan....it was adopted - at least that is what 1993 book says and it says I quote "It has been successfully planted and is adapted to many areas of Pakistan"

he said, suggesting that environment only support Ziziphus nummularia.
- interesting enough, this isnt in your reference book

He went on to say that ecologists propose to grow acacia, monotheca and olea, acaiamodesta, dilbergiasiso, acaianilotica, zizyphus, rhizastricta and vitexnegundo, which are extremely environment-friendly.

According to the book: Acacia modesta- DISTRIBUTION: This tree is native to Pakistan, Afghanistan, and India. In Pakistan it is found below 1200 m in the foothill ranges of the Himalayas, Salt Range, Sulaiman Hills, Balochistan and Kirthar Range. It is also found in the plains close to these mountains.

Acacia modesta: A frost-resistant and drought-tolerant tree ideal for alleviating feed shortages and feeding costs - http://www.icarda.org/sites/default/files/Acacia_modesta_FactSheet.pdf


He got Acacia nilotica right - DISTRIBUTION: This tree is native to Pakistan and is found in the Sindh, Punjab, Balochistan and NWFP. It is wild as well as extensively cultivated throughout the world, usually below 600 m in elevation.

Zizyphus mauritiana Lam. (Rhamnaceae)
DISTRIBUTION: The tree is native to South Asia including Pakistan. It has been successfully cultivated in many parts of the world. It can be seen throughout Pakistan but it grows best at lower elevations in the Punjab, NWFP, Sindh and Balochistan.

The rest are equally not native....at least were in 1993 book
 
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The worlds largest and show sha might be another trick to get votes:
http://edition.cnn.com/2016/02/08/africa/ouarzazate-morocco-solar-plant/

Here are the facts:
Paksitan:
capacity to generate 1,000 MW
a cost of about $131 million
14 to 15 US cents per kWh

Morocco:
2,000 megawatts
$573.8bn - have a power cable link to Europe
electricity produced for $0.19/kW·h

So it isnt the largest ... Unless they mean largest in size? That I dont know much about...Morocco is using different cells hence the expense but still costly though!

I guess it was, under plans, until Morocco decided to go bigger. But thats not the point here. People are getting something out of it and thats good.

Some facts for you:


Solar Park producing 12pc more power than target’

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LAHORE: The Quaid-i-Azam Solar Park, Bahawalpur, the first ever DC installation in Pakistan, is currently producing up to 12pc more power than the energy production requirements set by the National Electric Power Regulatory Authority (Nepra).

The first phase of the plant was completed in March last when it started producing 100 megawatt.

“The plant is giving an average yield of 169 gigawatt hour against the annual target of 153GW hour to meet 153 million units production requirement,” says Najam Ahmed Shah, the chief executive officer of the Quaid-i-Azam Solar Power (pvt) Limited.

Speaking to Lahore-based reporters at the site for the QASP on Tuesday, Shah said extra profits coming from the first phase of 100MW plant would be shared with the distribution companies and people under Nepra rules.

Responding to a question about controversies over the project, he said 1,000MW solar park only required capital expenditure in the form of financial loans as its production didn’t require any fuel while its maintenance cost was negligible. “The solar energy can be the cheapest mode of power in Pakistan if commercial loans are available on easy terms.”

Shah told a questioner that the solar panels spread across 500 acre produced maximum energy when sun rays were maximum and produced less power in high temperatures. He said the comparison of solar radiation and temperature in Pakistan with Germany suggested that panels in Pakistan would produce 33pc more power than Germany.

Dr Rana Abdul Jabbar Khan, focal person for QASP, told reporters that in first phase 100MW power had already been connected with the power distribution system while 300MW power plants were at final stage and expected to produce solar power by the end of December.

He said the remaining 600MW power plants would be set up in third phase starting in January 2016.

Dr Khan said the QASP would be able to get claim for carbon credit as the Clean Development Mechanism Additionality (CDMA) had also conducted analysis through on-site survey for our claim. He said the carbon claim was only linked with solar power generation as 70pc thermal generation in Pakistan was emitting high levels of carbon dioxide in atmosphere.

About solar power tariff controversy, Dr Khan said the present tariff was 14.15 cents which was expected to drop to single digit next year keeping in view the increasing trend of solar installations and production globally.

Earlier, briefing the journalists on capacity factor and energy production comparison, the CEO said the average efficiency of 100MW plant over the years was 80pc with average 20pc plant losses. He said the DC plant would suffer 20pc losses because of conversion into AC.

The monthly revenue (including tax) reached its peak of over Rs320 million in September from Rs3.548 million in March this year; 67.8 million units were exported against feasibility target of 64.9 million units and 62.2 million units Nepra target during cumulative energy production comparison for invoiced months. He said the cost of 100 MW solar plant is $131.15 million.

Comparing few countries for installed solar power and potential for solar in various countries, Shah said irradiation for 100 MW installed plant in Pakistan was 1,920 KWh/m compared to India’s 1,900 against 4GW installed capacity, China 1,700 (28GW), and Germany 1,100 (38GW).

The solar energy fits very well into Pakistan’s energy situation (fuel imports, land curve) while the country is a good location for solar energy (e.g better than Germany, Spain or China).

The visit to the site showed that the 100 MW solar power plant was injecting power into national grid through a centralised monitoring system while Chinese company Zonergy was currently raising PV plant and substations at three 100 MW plants each. A 220 KV grid station is being installed for producing and transmitting 600 MW next year.

The QASP is being guarded by 700 security officials of the Special Protection Unit headed by an SP rank officer. The SPU is giving outer and internal cover to 675 Chinese workers and few other foreigners.

http://www.dawn.com/news/1217587/


Ceremony in Morocco marks progress on 500MW solar park

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Morocco held a three-in-one ceremony on Thursday for the first two phases of what will be one of the world’s largest solar parks at over 500 megawatts of capacity.

A ceremony was held in Ouarzazate to officially inaugurate Noor 1 and break ground on the second phase, which includes the Noor 2 and 3 projects.

The Noor 1 phase, totalling 160MW of capacity, was scheduled to be officially launched before the end of last year, but the ceremony was postponed by Moroccan officials.

Paddy Padmanathan, chief executive of Saudi Arabia’s Acwa Power and the lead developer of the project, said that only the ceremony had been delayed, but that the plant had come online as scheduled in 2015.

Acwa and its technical partner Sener of Spain signed the public private partnership agreement with the Moroccan Agency for Solar Energy (Masen) for Noor 1 in 2013. The Saudi firm has gone on to successfully bid for the Noor 2 and 3 phase, totalling 200MW and 150MW, respectively, with a total investment of about US$3 billion.

“We’re very comfortable in Morocco as an investment destination,” Mr Padmanathan said. “We will continue to investment more.”
Morocco, unlike its North African neighbours, has few hydrocarbon assets such as oil and gas and has a high import bill because it is forced to tap sources abroad to meet more than 90 per cent of its energy needs.

Therefore, the country has set out an ambitious target to have renewable energy make up 42 per cent of its power generation mix by 2020, which will then increase to 50 per cent by 2030.

And Morocco is poised to do just that, particularly as it showcases some of the lowest solar pricing yet for concentrated solar power (CSP) technology, which typically costs more compared with photovoltaic applications because it has storage capabilities.

According to the Abu Dhabi-based International Renewable Energy Agency (Irena), the average cost of electricity generated from CSP ranges between 22 US cents and 25 cents per kilowatt hour.

Yet, as is typically the case when Acwa bids for a project, such as in Dubai last year, in Morocco the company came in with rates that beat the average price by about 30 per cent. For Noor 2, the bid came in at 15.67 US cents per kilowatt hour while offering a tariff for the Noor 3 of 16.31 cents.

Morocco’s energy minister, Abdelkader Amara, said at the Paris climate summit in December that the Ouarzazate solar programme has already given the country significant savings on energy costs in its first year.
 
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have u ever read the news. do nawaz sharif alolow u to use ur brain. only problem they had is the selection of trees. they still said its a good initiative

btw i have a question and please dnt run away like all noonies.

when did sharif family buy london flats ?

which London flat are you talking about you have to be specific they have a lot
 
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I guess it was, under plans, until Morocco decided to go bigger. But thats not the point here. People are getting something out of it and thats good.
Yup that is good as long as money doesnt disappear or cost doesnt sky rocket half way down the line

he Quaid-i-Azam Solar Park, Bahawalpur, the first ever DC installation in Pakistan, is currently producing up to 12pc more power than the energy production requirements set by the National Electric Power Regulatory Authority (Nepra).
Is that good? or worrying that it is overworked? Maybe they didnt adjust for climate change?

For Noor 2, the bid came in at 15.67 US cents per kilowatt hour while offering a tariff for the Noor 3 of 16.31 cents.
Yes I wrote that already :enjoy:

they have a lot
all the more worrying!
 
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yes trying to get the answer. finally concluded that they are shameless when it comes to corruption . they dont consider it a crime
app ko corruption ke pari haa yahan PTI walay darakht galat lagaii ja rahyy hann.. Allah maaf kray!! TObaa toba!!
 
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which London flat are you talking about you have to be specific they have a lot
Mayfair flats . If they have many why is it not declared in election commision? Or any tax records?
 
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IF u can't ask him why u spend all the time advocating him ? Shah se zada shah k wafadar

can you tell me why Imran has a few illegitimate children?
why did he marry then divorce Reham, why does he live in a 70 acre mansion when he is only a one person in the house, why does he expel Tareen from his party
 
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LOL @ pathetic Noora's. So it is better to steal billions and stack it abroad to evade tax, but evil to plants trees and flora. Just the logic. Insane people.

Wrong trees are being planted? This ecologist woke up after the plantation has completed?

can you tell me why Imran has a few illegitimate children?
why did he marry then divorce Reham, why does he live in a 70 acre mansion when he is only a one person in the house, why does he expel Tareen from his party

Even if he did (which he clearly didn't), at least he didn't loot taxpayers money or murder his political opponents. How about Noora league which has remorselessly murdered innocent women in Model Town? What about Panama leaks? Stop defending Noora crooks.

which London flat are you talking about you have to be specific they have a lot

MashAllah! The country is drowning in IMF loans and its leaders have some of the world's most expensive flats in London. You don't even find this criminal, do you? In fact, you're applauding it. Just put your Noora glasses aside for a moment and try to look from neutral view point. These people are harming Pakistan. Even if you or your family members are temporarily benefitting from Noora's corruption, the country is being harmed in the long run. Put your short term interests aside for a moment and try to think about the entire picture.
 
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MashAllah! The country is drowning in IMF loans and its leaders have some of the world's most expensive flats in London. You don't even find this criminal, do you? In fact, you're applauding it. Just put your Noora glasses aside for a moment and try to look from neutral view point. These people are harming Pakistan. Even if you or your family members are temporarily benefitting from Noora's corruption, the country is being harmed in the long run. Put your short term interests aside for a moment and try to think about the entire picture.

you people in Pakistan has no knowledge of the world, you idiots I own the most expensive condo in Toronto beside owning the house I live in and I am nobody. But I can not own a mansion on 70 acre land in Islamabad if my life depends on it.

LOL @ pathetic Noora's. So it is better to steal billions and stack it abroad to evade tax, but evil to plants trees and flora. Just the logic. Insane people.

Wrong trees are being planted? This ecologist woke up after the plantation has completed?



Even if he did (which he clearly didn't), at least he didn't loot taxpayers money or murder his political opponents. How about Noora league which has remorselessly murdered innocent women in Model Town? What about Panama leaks? Stop defending Noora crooks.

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only a lotera will support a lotera, only an illegitimate child will say its fine to fine illegitimate children.
A man who didnt take care of his own child will take very good care you idiots!

@Dalit @Jzaib @Akheilos

I have no interest in seeing proves of Imran and Tareen innocence, neither i have any interest on you people trying you best to prove everyone else is chore but the ones who joined PTI
 
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only a lotera will support a lotera, only an illegitimate child will say its fine to fine illegitimate children.
A man who didnt take care of his own child will take very good care you idiots!
And a man who loots and is exposed repeated times by international bodies will take excellent care of you!

Fool me once shame on you fool me again shame on me - Apparently you dont know when you have been shamed.. :enjoy:

you people in Pakistan has no knowledge of the world, you idiots I own the most expensive condo in Toronto beside owning the house I live in and I am nobody. But I can not own a mansion on 70 acre land in Islamabad if my life depends on it.
Whats new in that NS can do the same, his mom's house...His daughter lives in her daddy's home and both claim to be broke :enjoy:
 
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And a man who loots and is exposed repeated times by international bodies will take excellent care of you!

If you are willing to live in the country where a known zani is the PM then others can live under a lotera, only difference is in knowing what is worst
 
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If you are willing to live in the country where a known zani is the PM then others can live under a lotera, only difference is in knowing what is worst
No idea what a Zani is ....and last I know PM is NS your favourite!

And somehow you find the shit right at the top with his family and friends in every dept not as a threat but every other human being as one! Kind of explains either you are (1) of the family and friends or (2) You cant be bothered what is worse for Pakistan but are just supporting some creep your family has all their lives just like people in Sindh

Maybe a better technique AFTER they have figured our which trees to grow:

 
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there is no point saying anything against this billion tree compaign, even if one tree costs Rs. 100, but who is counting the trees...now that was a wise compaign, yaqeen nehe ata to gin lo trees...lol

but again if we say something Tareen will come on TV with some papers to prove exactly one billion were planted, and fan boys will go, yeah transparancy dudessss
 
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