Ecologists denounce PTI one billion tree campaign in KP

[Jzaib]

Trees extinction. Yar we can't save humans here much less trees. They are doomed. No doubt Pakistan is forward in its environmental progress but we have a long long way to go. The ecologist came to question due to the points raised by @akhelios ... It seems he also needs knowledge. Never the less if its the case then Imran needs to look at this pronto.

@Leader
@Jzaib
@mr42O
@noomi007

Care to shed some light in the matter

yes forest department near to clarify it . they said initiative is good but they planted trees which is not suitable for area

its law, u accept or not its your problem, pass by a National assembly with Majority.

bro u havent answered my question about flat . why r u running away from it? when did nawaz buy flats in london?

 

[Edevelop]

Native trees on Pakistani mountains

Swamps created by non-native trees

 

[Zibago]

its law, u accept or not its your problem, pass by a National assembly with Majority.

Draconian law that makes criticism of institutions and officials a crime how different is it from Zia era censorship?

Native trees on Pakistani mountains

Swamps created by non-native trees

by doing this the native fauna too is harmed the herbivores dont consume the non native plants

 

[Khalidr]

Planting any kind of tree is better than not planting at all.. stupid ecologist.. kud tu kuch ker nahi saktay or jab dosray karain to ronay lagain...

 

[xyxmt]

adhey bani gala estate main laga dye hon gye

 

[Zibago]

adhey bani gala estate main laga dye hon gye

Ab ye Noon league ka program tohay ni warna adha kharcha to badshah salamat kay moroan ki khorak par ho jata

 

[Edevelop]

You forgot land sliding and flooding due to breaking of banks which native trees prevented

This is what happened in Muzzafarabad

 

[xyxmt]

Ab ye Noon league ka program tohay ni warna adha kharcha to badshah salamat kay moroan ki khorak par ho jata

to kia sarey laga dye Bani gala me

 

[Zibago]

This is what happened in Muzzafarabad

Yes i saw it AJK had 48% forest cover in 48 now i think its less than 15%

to kia sarey laga dye Bani gala me

Nahe bhai ye nawaz funded program nahe jo sara panama mein jaye

 

[Jzaib]

have u ever read the news. do nawaz sharif alolow u to use ur brain. only problem they had is the selection of trees. they still said its a good initiative

btw i have a question and please dnt run away like all noonies.

when did sharif family buy london flats ?

to kia sarey laga dye Bani gala me

 

[saiyan0321]

yes forest department near to clarify it . they said initiative is good but they planted trees which is not suitable for area


bro u havent answered my question about flat . why r u running away from it? when did nawaz buy flats in london?

Nobody in their right mind is going to rubbish the initiative.. This initiative was praised in the UN as well. Yes this should be looked at as well. Let's try to maximize the benefit we can get from this initiative rather than the mistakes haunting us. Hopefully Imran looks at the matter. One of the greatest hurdles Pakistan's environmental progress has is the lack of ecologists and environmentalists as point out by @Zibago the mess in south punjab and Islamabad. Thus must be brought forward. Lack of archeologists and historians have effected our historical studies as well archeological research and the lack of ecologists and environmentalists have effected our eco policies.

 

[Dubious]

It seems personal

You mean pointing out one who comes on media without proper knowledge of the thing he is supposed to say? For you to be taken for a ride is everyday thing I guess hence you abide when made a fool

I think this post ended this thread.. I have often seen this a usual practice in Pakistan that to score political points we will destroy our very nation. The love for parties is greater than the love for Pakistan. Now all this thread has become is a solace for nooners to come here and complain.

This is a result of lack of education...Even with internet at your fingertips, some people still fail to know how to use it...I didnt even go to a scientific journal to get all that info...But if I need to I would...however, every tom dick and harry seems to come on tv and spit anything they want and stupid media doesnt even bother crosschecking!

Native trees on Pakistani mountains

Swamps created by non-native trees

The swamps you are calling are Mangrove you can tell by their Avicenna roots ...the name derived from Ibn Sina....and these same swamps are now being preserved as they help with flood mitigation....

And the Ecologist mouth piece in OP was actually suggesting SHRUBS, not sure what kind of vegetation he thought those Latin names meant to be! ....kindly do look it up!

Its not about PML. Come up with an explanation why it is necessary to plant things not native to this land. Its a serious issue.

THINGS not native?

Mr. Ecologist suggested Ziziphus...which I believe you have no clue what it is ...I am sure even the honorable ecologist has no clue:

Ziziphus/ˈzɪzᵻfəs/ is a genus of about 40 species of spiny shrubs and small trees in the buckthorn family, Rhamnaceae, distributed in the warm-temperate and subtropical regions throughout the world.

So unless Peshawar falls under warm temperate or subtropical ...even his suggestion is as bogus as his cry over wrong trees! Compare that to the native Peshawar trees pix you displayed!

This is what happened in Muzzafarabad

Do you want to compare that to Punjab every year for 30 yrs where trees are not prioritized...so much so that USA cut some extra trees to expand their compound walked out without a scratch!

And do tell me which part of Pakistan didnt get flooded? It is less to do with trees and more to do with lack of long term planning ESP lack of dams to control the water ...who do we have to thank for that?

 

[risingsinga]

Why ? They are destroying eco system which is worse than economic corruption.

Oh wow...I'm amazed at the unnecessarily strong words and you have little to no knowledge to back it up. Trees can be misfit in certain area but they never destroy the ecosystem. It takes some years for the plants to acclimatise to new area and any tree takes years to become fully grown anyway. No species of plants and animals is more dangerous for the society than uneducated, ill-mannered and corruption-hugging zombies.

Tree plantation is always a great cause and must be appreciated. It will benefit the area anyways but it will be much better if the right types of plants for the areas are grown.

 

[mingle]

Not native to the region cause destruction of ecosystem.

Tropical variants change dynamics of the soil. They consume a lot of water and invite Mosquitos like the dengue. Imagine wildlife like Mountain Goats living in the same habitat as Elephants, Monkeys and Snakes and thousands of year old native food being replaced with foreigners. We don't want to end up with the effects on agriculture and its surroundings



India was once part of Australia. They have similar climate, trees and animals. Pakistan is different. It was formed by Indian and Asian plant tectonics hence creating landscapes like mountains. We are more like our western neighbours but unfortunatly, there are some people who are hell bent on Indianizing this country.



Pakistan is predominantly arid. Its climate is similar to that of Afghanistan and Iran. Sadly, the nurseries and governments plant variants like Ashoka, Chandani, Budah, Guava, Neem, Goldmohar, etc which are Indian and Tropical.

Butt sb i read Botany at univeristy level dont explain me i know funa and flora of Pak very well Nursries in KP wont sell plants which not suited to local climat .there is difference of plants in punjab sindh and Kp nursries .

 

[Edevelop]

And do tell me which part of Pakistan didnt get flooded? It is less to do with trees and more to do with lack of long term planning ESP lack of dams to control the water ...who do we have to thank for that?

Anything against nature is itself poor planning.

Its silly to spend tens of billions of dollars on something like dams which are not sustainable

First, you have to evacuate populations of towns and villages and cut thousands of trees.

Second, create artificial valleys but thats not always successful. In Pakistan, majority are built on earthquake fault lines and in the future, if a natural disaster were to strike, the damage could be catastrophic.

Third, concrete is used to channel and store water. If you did not know already, it has a life and requires regular maintenance and costs and the nature of material is such that large amount of water gets evaporated by heat and sunlight

Last but certainly not the least, it is often said they are needed because of energy requirements, however, facts will tell you the amount of money spent on this project could instead be used to give every house hold a solar panel which has no operational costs.

* Other than developing countries, no one else is building dams. North America and Europe built them in the 60s and today the the reality is they admit it has become a danger to them and costly to maintain.

* Sometimes the simple things are the solutions

Have a look at what desert countries like Saudi Arabia and Israel are able to do.

http://www.akdn.org/architecture/project.asp?id=2258
http://www.timesofisrael.com/how-israel-became-a-water-superpower/

Thank who ? Its people like you who are to blame. If people had slight knowledge and interest in actually developing the country and debating pros and cons, things would have been a lot different. If there is no chance of Kalabagh dam being built due to political pressures leading to ethnic pressures, people should have fcking moved on 30 years ago and found other ideas.