East Turkestan / Uighur movement

[Sino-PakFriendship]

What self criticism do you want? You commies are exploding nuclear devices within an illegal distance from communities, forcing abortion on women to decrease birth rates, stirring riots and chaos through disinformation and propaganda. Turkey's hands are clean the Armenian genocide is a hoax that was perpetrated in the past, the Uighur massacres are a grim, well documented, and present reality.

Now stop abusing forum rules.

There is Chinese land,

we have right to do nuclear test! (Before tests, Chinese government does evacuation properly!)

like USA have right to do nuclear tests in US territory!

We don't need your small small Turkey (Fire Chicken nation) to permit!


We are no longer Sickman of East Asia!

But Turkey is still Sickman of West Asia!

 

[Kharian_Beast]

This has nothing to do with Turkey... you are not worth anyone's time to debate as a matter of fact. Nothing to say for yourself over your government's treatment of your fellow citizens so you sling mud on the Saudis, Turks, Israelis? What is wrong with you? People like you will continue to keep China isolated because of your shallow understanding of geo-politics and communist instinct to trash a discussion of openness and dialogue with idiocy and propaganda. Communism is almost dead, just you and North Korea to deal with, the Chinese and Korean people will be liberated soon and freed God Willing.

 

[Sino-PakFriendship]

This has nothing to do with Turkey... you are not worth anyone's time to debate as a matter of fact. Nothing to say for yourself over your government's treatment of your fellow citizens so you sling mud on the Saudis, Turks, Israelis? What is wrong with you?

East Turkistan terrorism is subsidized by CIA, Turkey and Al Qaeda (Osama bin Laden).

Do you think that it is not related to Turkey!?

 

[Sino-PakFriendship]

I don't know why there are many Western whites, Turkish and Indian trolls fabricate that Tibet and Xinjiang is not part of China!

Once you (Western whites, Turkish and Indian) trigger Chinese nationalism, no advandage to Democracy of China and no improvement of the status of the Chinese minorities like Tibetan and Uyghur!

 

[s90]

It is based on what is right. I can speak in the same manner for Tibetans. Where there is injustice being done to a group of people to subjugate them, especially if there has been historical friction it is quite obvious some people need liberating. Even U.S. as well as UN state mechanisms believe in liberating the masses to enjoy personal freedoms. So I'm standing in the mainstream with these beliefs.

Apply same logic to Balochistan independence movement then mate.

 

[Sino-PakFriendship]

Apply same logic to Balochistan independence movement then mate.

I strongly opposite to Balochistan independence.

Balochistan is integral part of Pakistan.

We China will respect the integrity of sovereignty of Pakistan.

 

[Hammy007]

i believe that china should become more careful towards them and improve its attitude, but the question does india support freedom of palestine, freedom of chechnya??? india supports tibet as we know because of one one reason that is to resolve its border issues forever and make china weak by breaking it not because of tibetans.

uigers dont want to be separated from china because china is becoming rich and xinjiang has great future with china, other wise its another silly landlocked country like central asia.

 

[Kharian_Beast]

Apply same logic to Balochistan independence movement then mate.

Why, are you my thoughts? Please apply some logic and start a new thread for new debates. This is about Xinjiang and East Turkestan issue within China.

 

[jarnee]

i believe that china should become more careful towards them and improve its attitude, but the question does india support freedom of palestine, freedom of chechnya??? india supports tibet as we know because of one one reason that is to resolve its border issues forever and make china weak by breaking it not because of tibetans.

uigers dont want to be separated from china because china is becoming rich and xinjiang has great future with china, other wise its another silly landlocked country like central asia.

Dito
Same applied to Kashmir, - Kasmiris dont want to be separated from India because India is becoming rich and Kashmir has great future with India , other wise its another silly landlocked country like central asia

 

[Jackdaws]

i believe that china should become more careful towards them and improve its attitude, but the question does india support freedom of palestine, freedom of chechnya??? india supports tibet as we know because of one one reason that is to resolve its border issues forever and make china weak by breaking it not because of tibetans.

uigers dont want to be separated from china because china is becoming rich and xinjiang has great future with china, other wise its another silly landlocked country like central asia.

India has supported the Palestinian right to freedom since 1948 unlike Pakistan which has cosied up militarily with Israel and USA over the years through CENTO and the Afghan war. Paying lip service to the Palestinian cause is not enough - Pakistan has done less if anything for the Palestinians than India has.

 

[oceanx]

This has nothing to do with Turkey... you are not worth anyone's time to debate as a matter of fact. Nothing to say for yourself over your government's treatment of your fellow citizens so you sling mud on the Saudis, Turks, Israelis? What is wrong with you? People like you will continue to keep China isolated because of your shallow understanding of geo-politics and communist instinct to trash a discussion of openness and dialogue with idiocy and propaganda. Communism is almost dead, just you and North Korea to deal with, the Chinese and Korean people will be liberated soon and freed God Willing.

Kharian, this has nothing to do with "Communism", but you know that already. In fact, during "Communist" heydays, Soviets had ideological as well as practical control over Central Asia - way beyond simple military tutelage.

Many, many (if not a majority) of the Soviet troops that descended on Afghanistan in the 80s were "Soviet Turks", or rather "Soviet Turko-Mongos" from CAR ... can't give you source, and feel free to dispute if you want.

It's only in the post cold-war context with resurgent ethno-nationalist awareness, that some things have come to the fore more than before. It has happened during prior "shake-ups", for "there is nothing new under the sun", as after both World Wars.

PRC's relative opening in the last few years coupled with apparent lop-sided development (in an East-West direction), reinforced by an unequal distribution of wealth have made ethnic tensions worse.

I don't really give two hoots about your "commie" this or that, except for its effect on the direction of the thread. The truth is that there is an undercurrent today in the PRC (to some extent in Russia as well) that lament the falling out of vogue of their former "socialist ideals".

However, just like the map you threw out in the other thread which, in all honesty, contributed chiefly to its demise (by no means do I hold you "solely responsible" for I was hasty in my response, too, in retrospect), your "commie" this and that will only lead you and the discussion on Uighur future further and further away from the productive path.

Now I suspect you rather prefer Antarctica over the inhabited lands of Eurasia for a reason ...

 

[oceanx]

I don't know why there are many Western whites, Turkish and Indian trolls fabricate that Tibet and Xinjiang is not part of China!

Once you (Western whites, Turkish and Indian) trigger Chinese nationalism, no advandage to Democracy of China and no improvement of the status of the Chinese minorities like Tibetan and Uyghur!

There is a degree of truth to what you say.

However, if you must make a statement about Westerners and Indians (such Indians are mostly only among their pro-Western "elite" and then it's not even all of those), I would ask you to leave Turkey out of this. In any event, I do not see one Turkish Turk here "trolling", do you?

Many Chinese (including the diaspora) were baffled by the Turkish PM's "(as if) a genocide" outburst back when ... there'll be another time to mull this and the unique Turkish psychology behind it.

I will not excuse it, and I will not defend it, nor will I take it and make "hey" with it. However, you must take the "long view" with the nation of Turkey. It is not some "small country" in West Asia, as you seem to have a habit of mistakenly believing! For one thing, the original nationalist revolution by Dr. Sun was in no small degree inspired by the Young Turks ...

Furthermore, there is rhetoric and there is action. When it comes to rhetoric, for years the CCP themselves were second to none on theatrics (think how Mao thanked the Japanese!)

Let me ask you, did the Uighur "godmother" visit Turkey yet despite the "invitation"? But clearly she's been to everywhere from Oceania to Japan to Taiwan to Europe to US to Antarctica.

Think, before you post please. By that I also mean to think "strategically".

Thanks.

 

[oceanx]

Dito
Same applied to Kashmir, - Kasmiris dont want to be separated from India because India is becoming rich and Kashmir has great future with India , other wise its another silly landlocked country like central asia

Not bad but superficially analogous only, Jarnee.

There is "physical landlock" and there is "geopolitical" landlock. A country in a physical but not a geopolitical landlock can succeed (Cue Switzerland, Austria, and Uganda - in the context of their respective history, developmental level and "sphere").

But countries in a geopolitical, in addition to physical landlock are in a much tougher position - cue Armenia, Kosovo, etc.

An independent Kashmir will not be in a geopolitical landlock (not to say that it is impossible for it to do well in the Indian Union - the question is at what price to the "big picture").

A "Uighuristan" in today's context will be in a geopolitical landlock.

This is just my personal opinion. You are free to argue to the contrary but I will let it go now for fear of derailing a thread.

 

[Hammy007]

Dito
Same applied to Kashmir, - Kasmiris dont want to be separated from India because India is becoming rich and Kashmir has great future with India , other wise its another silly landlocked country like central asia

kashmir is an issue btw two countries, kashmiris want to be with pakistan so it doesnt make it independent neither landlocked.

second india is becoming rich so does pakistan kashmir has a bright future with pakistan

 

[rubyjackass]

I see another thread going down the drain.

The fact remains that East Turkestan has known separatist support and documented physical and political crackdown by the CPC. The recent riots meant that something has been wrong with the situation there. The fact that there are no people inside to report the grievances of the other side makes it worse. The chinese govt always takes the easiest route the traditional way by shutting everything down.

@ Sino-Indus... : I see that your attitude towards Tibet and East Turkestan is just a fragment of the CPC's posture. All that these people ask for is autonomy(at least in Tibet's case its so, East Turkestan is simply strangled from saying it out loud and making a political representation). Yeah I know I know, you will say these 'traitors' use it as an excuse. But all your suspicions are not good enough to wipe anything.
Whatever you say to kill the discussion it will stay in people's minds fueled and relayed from the people who suffer it first hand.

FREE TIBET.
To stop you from crying I would like to quickly add that Tibet could be free and still be a part of China.