Drone Arms Race: The Great Sky Game in the Middle East

[Ansu fati]

well with all do respect that i have for Akinci and Turkey but that drone is not stealth and its slow its good for air defense so i will not call it king of the sky ( i do not call any drone from any country a king not just Akinci ) every drone has its shortcomings the biggest danger that middle east countries like Israel and SA and US forces in particular will face is Sejil drone an drone built to penetrate enemy airspace with supersonic speeds and stealth technology with internal weapons bay.


hi brother i have Q that unfortunately i could not fine an A to in google and that is how much is akinci length?

It will be the first (actively used) drone with air to air missiles(helicopters other uavs as well as old planes will have tough opponent) I don’t know the RCS so I cannot claim it is stealth but it is made of composite materials and should have good RCS anyway also it will have AESA radar som cruise missile including the som-j missile that was made for F-35 I expect all versions of som missile to be included(som A/B1/B2/C1/C2/J) as well as other turkish made weapons i don’t know about sejji drone if you can provide details i would be pleased a speed between 400-500 km/h is not perfect but anyway for a weak enemy(pkk assad greece/south fucking greek cyprus made mistake when i said north or haftar) it will do the job and most importantly will relieve F-16 fleet of air to ground operations
Turkish pure stealth drone would be ready either in 2025 or 2027 @Mithridates has right iran has different enemies and builds uavs according to that we build drones according to our enemies there is ongoing aesa radar development plus there is light aircraft(hürjet) probably in the future block2 will be 4.5 generation aircraft with full features you can’t imagine how much akinci will shake turkish enemies(iran is not enemy) but you will see @skyshadow

 

[skyshadow]

well looking to threats turkey faces compared to what Iran should face we can know why each choose the pass for their UAV developments. turkey uses it's f-16 to bomb Kurdish rebels, we should fight against US and it's proxies.

exactly, we have different defense doctrine for now

 

[Mithridates]

It will be the first (actively used) drone with air to air missiles(helicopters other uavs as well as old planes will have tough opponent) I don’t know the RCS so I cannot claim it is stealth but it is made of composite materials and should have good RCS anyway also it will have AESA radar som cruise missile including the som-j missile that was made for F-35 I expect all versions of som missile to be included(som A/B1/B2/C1/C2/J) as well as other turkish made weapons i don’t know about sejji drone if you can provide details i would be pleased a speed between 400-500 km/h is not perfect but anyway for a weak enemy(pkk assad greece/north cyprus or haftar) it will do the job and most importantly will relieve F-16 fleet of air to ground operations

sejjil is a naval twin jet engine powered drone with high subsonic speed (1000 km/h), and it can carry munitions with 100 km range.
the munitions possibly are balaban GBUs.

 

[Ansu fati]

Stupid greeks use their fighter jets to intercept Bayraktar TB2(tactical and small uav) TB2 has destroyed half of the terror targets(both equipment and hevals) during peace spring operation imagine what would do a drone that has 1.5 ton payload i will say just one thing all of turkish airstrikes in north iraq and syria are intelligence supported because turkey doesn’t have unlimited money to destroy whole cities like us did to raqqa mosul etc that means turkey can launch the same payload operations as an f-16 but MUCH MUCH MORE often since akinci drone will be several times more cheaper to operate turkish f-16 usually drops two or three boms of the mk series of course with guidance kit if you calculate you can see that this doesn’t not exceed 1 ton payload per operation that’s why akinci will be a game changer especially can be a good export since it will be better than mq-9 (if you however are skeptical about my claim at least will be on par with mq-9)

 

[skyshadow]

It will be the first (actively used) drone with air to air missiles(helicopters other uavs as well as old planes will have tough opponent) I don’t know the RCS so I cannot claim it is stealth but it is made of composite materials and should have good RCS anyway also it will have AESA radar som cruise missile including the som-j missile that was made for F-35 I expect all versions of som missile to be included(som A/B1/B2/C1/C2/J) as well as other turkish made weapons i don’t know about sejji drone if you can provide details i would be pleased a speed between 400-500 km/h is not perfect but anyway for a weak enemy(pkk assad greece/north cyprus or haftar) it will do the job and most importantly will relieve F-16 fleet of air to ground operations

agreed i did not said its bad honestly its great, i just said its not the king as for any enemy with some good air defense system can detect it turboprop engines will mess up your RCS huge time that's why i said its for defensive purposes it will not spend much time out of Turkey's air space and that's why it uses long range weapons to not get close to enemy and frankly Turkey will not accept losing this advanced drone to any one or risk it being shoot down.



Sejji drone

speed: 1000 km/h fully loaded, it uses 2 jet engines

payload: it can carry 100 km range glide bombs in its internal weapons bay.

it can be launched by solid fuel booster

sejjil is a naval twin jet engine powered drone with high subsonic speed (1000 km/h), and it can carry munitions with 100 km range.
the munitions possibly are balaban GBUs.
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even Karar can carry Yasin bomb so Sejil can carry at least 4-5 Balaban GBUs

 

[Ansu fati]

agreed i did not said its bad honestly its great, i just said its not the king as for any enemy with some good air defense system can detect it turboprop engines will mess up your RCS huge time that's why i said its for defensive purposes it will not spend much time out of Turkey's air space and that's why it uses long range weapons to not get close to enemy and frankly Turkey will not accept losing this advanced drone to any one or rick it being shoot down.



Sejji drone

speed: 1000 km/h fully loaded, it uses 2 jet engines

payload: it can carry 100 km range glide bombs

it can be launched by solid fuel booster

Definitely turkey must have similar stealth cruise drone-missile for sabotaging operations in Mediterranean or in deir er zor oil fields i think someone mentioned that turkey is developing suicide drone that can travel 2000km but I don’t think it is stealth however since patriot batteries are one point defence sam systems even if your drone isn’t stealth it doesn’t matter because if you launch 50 suicide drones it will do the work but against s400 you need real stealth drone like sejji

 

[skyshadow]

Definitely turkey must have similar stealth cruise drone-missile for sabotaging operations in Mediterranean or in deir er zor oil fields i think someone mentioned that turkey is developing suicide drone that can travel 2000km but I don’t think it is stealth however since patriot batteries are one point defence sam systems even if your drone isn’t stealth it doesn’t matter because if you launch 50 suicide drones it will do the work but against s400 you need real stealth drone like sejji

yes i saw some early concepts of these i did not knew they had 2000 km range but its not unbelievable as in Saudi Arabia oil field attack small drones traveled at least 900-1000 km to get to there targets. agreed we all saw what happened with patriot air defense systems in Saudi Arabia oil field attack they could not shoot one of the suicide drones down neither the cruise missiles that were involved

 

[Glass]

Are there any plans for jet powered drones for turkish army? Akinci,aksungur,anka and baykar and the other ones are all propeller ones

 

[Ansu fati]

Are there any plans for jet powered drones for turkish army? Akinci,aksungur,anka and baykar and the other ones are all propeller ones

I think the stealth drones will be jet powered(there is picture in the uav section more detailed but you will have to slide few pages back) for now yes akinci doesn’t have jet engine but it is a platform that is very promising definitely a block2 if launched can have jet engine

yes i saw some early concepts of these i did not knew they had 2000 km range but its not unbelievable as in Saudi Arabia oil field attack small drones traveled at least 900-1000 km to get to there targets. agreed we all saw what happened with patriot air defense systems in Saudi Arabia oil field attack they could not shoot one of the suicide drones down neither the cruise missiles that were involved

I don’t know either someone said about the range and took it literally doesn’t mean it’s true even a range of 1000km is excellent option if there is repeat of aramco style attacks saudis and uae will be forced to take s400

 

[skyshadow]

I think the stealth drones will be jet powered(there is picture in the uav section more detailed but you will have to slide few pages back) for now yes akinci doesn’t have jet engine but it is a platform that is very promising definitely a block2 if launched can have jet engine


I don’t know either someone said about the range and took it literally doesn’t mean it’s true even a range of 1000km is excellent option if there is repeat of aramco style attacks saudis and uae will be forced to take s400

well on paper S400 is a beast but we have to see how it performs, if Saudis had Tor-M2 like system they would have been OK but they did not

 

[Beast]

Your drone dominated by one fact, and it is not reliable. We saw it from Jordan to Iraq. Beside that the smaller tactical Bayraktar have more then 100000 flight hours with out problems. One is show down in Libya but the counter one is crashed and shut down over the whole world. You sucksss a lot....

https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/chinese-killer-drones-are-falling-out-style-middle-east-72331

How selective you are when you are ignoring article mention turkey drone are running around ,hiding like chicken from the eagle Wing loong II in Libya war. If it's so unreliable. Turkey drone shall be the one chasing Wing loong II and not the other way round.

See how these people selective pick article to suit their own agenda.

 

[Oublious]

How selective you are when you are ignoring article mention turkey drone are running around ,hiding like chicken from the eagle Wing loong II in Libya war. If it's so unreliable. Turkey drone shall be the one chasing Wing loong II and not the other way round.

See how these people selective pick article to suit their own agenda.

Hiding like chicken? Tell that stupid stories to chinese members, so wher are the rest of the 11 destroyed Turkish drones? You have sold a lot of trash over the world, the smaller Bayraktar al ready made more then 100000 flight hours and still flying and not falling like that trash of yours.

Nobody have write something about hunting another drone, ANOTHER stupid chinese came and made drone war a,d after that another trash like you came and make up stories.

That being said, it's quantity, not quality.

 

[IblinI]

Turkish are on their high horse again, chanting for their "state of art" drones.

 

[Ansu fati]

How selective you are when you are ignoring article mention turkey drone are running around ,hiding like chicken from the eagle Wing loong II in Libya war. If it's so unreliable. Turkey drone shall be the one chasing Wing loong II and not the other way round.

See how these people selective pick article to suit their own agenda.

So you compare tactical uav without satcom capability with a male uav with satcom capability? tb2 for its size has done lots of good work in syria libya and northern iraq in 2021 turkish air to air missile will be serial produced with indigenous engine then you will see how Akinci will hunt other drones helicopters and older version of aircrafts

 

[lonelyman]

Turkish are on their high horse again, chanting for their "state of art" drones.

typical delusional Turks boasting their toy drones