Drinking liqour is not Haram - Federal Shariat Court

[JonAsad]

It's just as bad. Enjoy your increased chances of genetic defects.

Well, you were too selective in defining incest. The correct definition is as follows:

it differs from society to society-
The society we live in marrying cousins is not considered as taboo- plus chances of a genetically defective child according to

A study by the National Society of Genetic Counselors says that having a child with your first cousin raises the risk of a significant birth defect from about 3-to-4 percent to about 4-to-7

Statistically the difference is not big enough to cause a worry or for it to be considered as a taboo-

btw on topic: the chances of becoming alcoholic addict is 5% and if one of the parents was an addict the chances increase dramatically to 50%.

I think people should be more vocal against alcohol consumption than marrying a cousin- and ban it completely-

Some alcoholic facts from the developed and literate american society-

Currently, nearly 14 million Americans—1 in every 13 adults-abuse alcohol or are alcoholic. Several million more adults engage in risky drinking patterns that could lead to alcohol problems. In addition, approximately 53 percent of men and women in the United States report that one or more of their close relatives have a drinking problem.

Alcohol contributes to 100,000 deaths annually, making it the third leading cause of preventable mortality in the United States after tobacco and diet/activity patterns.

More than seven percent of the population ages 18 years and older -- nearly 13.8 million Americans -- have problems with drinking, including 8.1 million people who are alcoholic

3.1 million Americans -- approximately 1.4% of the population 12 and older -- received treatment for alcoholism and alcohol-related problems in 1997; treatment peaked among people 26-34.

An estimated 6.6 million children under 18 live in households with at least one alcoholic parent.

About 43% of adults in the US (76 million people) have had a parent, child, sibling or spouse who is or was an alcoholic.

Two-thirds of the population consumes alcohol, but 10% of drinkers drink half of all alcohol consumed.

Alcohol contributes to 100,000 deaths annually, making it the third leading cause of preventable death in this country.

41% of all traffic fatalities are alcohol related.

Of all the problems Pakistan as a nation is facing- this alcoholic thing should be the least we should look forward to making legal--

 

[VCheng]

Only Mutashabihaat can be discussed.. clear or 'vazeh' orders cannot come under your definition..

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So you accept that not everything in the Quran is crystal clear?

The Federal Shariat Court has included the use of alcohol in that area, since there is not clear order declaring it haram.

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

Ppl will drink be it legal or illegal.

 

[AAtish]

So you accept that not everything in the Quran is crystal clear?

The Federal Shariat Court has included the use of alcohol in that area, since there is not clear order declaring it haram.

Everything which requires to be cleared is cleared.. in Qur'an, Intoxication is Haram... so any thing which makes you unaware of difference between 'Good' and 'Bad' .. or in clear sense 'Naiki' and 'Badi' is Haram

 

[VCheng]

Everything which requires to be cleared is cleared.. in Qur'an, Intoxication is Haram... so any thing which makes you unaware of difference between 'Good' and 'Bad' .. or in clear sense 'Naiki' and 'Badi' is Haram

Agreed about intoxicants, but there is a huge difference between sipping a drink and being drunk. The Quran in its infinite wisdom rightly recognizes that aspect, and this has also been reaffirmed by the FSC.

Do you mean to to say that the FSC did not look at similar arguments carefully before rendering its verdict? If so, please challenge it to rectify the "error".

 

[Xestan]

I don't know if this verse has been quoted before or not, but it clarifies that Alcohol is indeed Haram in Islam.

O you who have believed, indeed, intoxicants, gambling, [sacrificing on] stone alters [to other than Allah ], and divining arrows are but defilement from the work of Satan, so avoid it that you may be successful.

Surah Al-Maidah [5:90]

 

[VCheng]

I don't know if this verse has been quoted before or not, but it clarifies that Alcohol is indeed Haram in Islam.

O you who have believed, indeed, intoxicants, gambling, [sacrificing on] stone alters [to other than Allah ], and divining arrows are but defilement from the work of Satan, so avoid it that you may be successful.

Surah Al-Maidah [5:90]

Alcohol, used in moderation, is NOT an intoxicant.

 

[Dil Pakistan]

Forget what Federal Shariat Court or any other court said. Think what your conscience tells you and (most importantly) you can explain and answer to ALLAH on the day of judgement.

Does any body think that he can stand in front of ALLAH and say I was drinking alcohol because it was not HARAM ?

In Quran the orders are very clear about prohibiting from drinking alcohol and even it advised in a stern way. Therefore, no problems. Try and go through the BIYAN-UL-QURAN by Dr Israr Ahmed (available on Tanzeem.org).

This thread is total waste of time.

 

[Xestan]

Self Delete

 

[VCheng]

Forget what Federal Shariat Court or any other court said. Think what your conscience tells you and (most importantly) you can explain and answer to ALLAH on the day of judgement. Does any body think that he can stand in front of ALLAH and say I was drinking alcohol because it was not HARAM ?

In Quran the orders asre very clear about prohibiting from drinking alcohol and even it advised in a stern way. Therefore, no problems. Try and go through the BIYAN-UL-QURAN by Dr Israr Ahmed (available on Tanzeem.org).

This thread is total waste of time.

The FSC took all that detail into account, so the verdict is important in that regard.

The Day of Judgment will take ALL of life into account, rather than just alcohol, so such fear-mongering is not need, and is counter-productive.

 

[VCheng]

Here you go!

It was narrated from Jaabir ibn ‘Abd-Allaah (may Allaah be pleased with him) that he heard the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) say when he was in Makkah at the time of the Conquest: “Allaah and His Messenger have forbidden the sale of alcohol, dead meat, pork and idols.” It was said: “O Messenger of Allaah, what do you think of the fat of dead animals, for ships are caulked with it and animal skins are daubed with it, and the people use it to light their lamps?” He said: “No, it is haraam.” Then the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “May Allaah curse the Jews, for when Allaah forbade them animal fat, they melted it down and sold it, and consumed its price.”

Narrated by al-Bukhaari, 1212; Muslim, 1581.

That is a Hadith narrated by a companion and documented several lifetimes later in another land, and thus interpretation by definition. There is no such prohibition on alcohol in the Quran itself.

 

[S.M.R]

So what is the end of debate? FSC was right or wrong...??

Btw.... What is exact verdict of court? Whipping or drinking, what has been declared haram?

Further, eating donkey's flesh is haram or halal or halam? If not haram then how much quantity we can take at one point of time?

 

[VCheng]

So what is the end of debate? FSC was right or wrong...??

Btw.... What is exact verdict of court? Whipping or drinking, what has been declared haram?

Further, eating donkey's flesh is haram or halal or halam? If not haram then how much quantity we can take at one point of time?

The FSC verdicts outlaws whipping for using alcohol based on the fact that is is not haram, hence a person cannot be subject to the hadd imposed for haram acts.

If enough people think that the court got it wrong, then please challenge the verdict.

 

[Xestan]

That is a Hadith narrated by a companion and documented several lifetimes later in another land, and thus interpretation by definition. There is no such prohibition on alcohol in the Quran itself.

lol Nice one! It's funny when people like you don't want to follow a Islamic law, they make excuses like these, Qur'an clearly prohibits all the intoxicants and Alcohol is something which intoxicate, further, about Hadith, there are many hadith further explaining about the Haram thing.

if you don't want to believe it's your problem, These Hadith whether collected hundreds of years later have been proved authentic by all the scholars of Muslim Ummah, there's a study of Hadith which explains which Hadith is authentic and which is not, there's a a complete research, the top six most authentic books of Hadith were compiled following this reason and whole Muslim world have consensus on these books.

Some more Hadith, if you don't want to believe, at least don't come up with illogical statements which have no sense.

Hadith - Abu Dawood, narrated Tariq ibn Suwayd or Suwayd ibn Tariq [R.A]

Wa'il said: Tariq ibn Suwayd or Suwayd ibn Tariq asked the Prophet about wine, but he forbade it. He again asked him, but he forbade him. He said to him: Prophet of Allah, it is a medicine. The Prophet [S.A.W] said: No it is a disease.

The Prophet of Islam Muhammad (peace be upon him) said:

a. In Sunan Ibn-I-Majah Volume 3, Book of Intoxicants, Chapter 30 Hadith No. 3371.
“Alcohol is the mother of all evils and it is the most shameful of evils.”

b. In Sunan Ibn-I-Majah Volume 3, Book of Intoxicants, Chapter 30 Hadith No. 3392
“Anything which intoxicates in a large quantity, is prohibited even in a small quantity.”

 

[SQ8]

That is a Hadith narrated by a companion and documented several lifetimes later in another land, and thus interpretation by definition. There is no such prohibition on alcohol in the Quran itself.

surah baqarah .. ayah 219.. clearly defines how the harmful effects of Alcohol outweigh its benefits.
If one was to look at the Quran alone.. you would start mirroring some extreme wahabi elements.

The practical implementation of the Quran is the sunnah of the prophet.
And the way we know of the Sunnah of the prophet is through his hadiath.. and he in his life forbade alcohol.
step by step.. but he did.. that too has lessons for those intending to convert non-muslims..
Do not enforce everything on them at once, bring them into the fold one step at a time.