Dr. Amir Liaqat gets a Pakistani killed!

[Wolfhound]

That would mean that the Ahmadi Quran is different from the others, correct?

No there quran is the same. Their interpretation is vastly different.

Then go and preach to them and/or engage their scholars in debate, and if they remain unconvinced, accept your failure as a civilized individual and go try and convince someone else.

Using the State (anti-Ahmadi & Blasphemy laws) or murderous mobs to attack them and treat them as second class citizens is nothing but cowardly and degenerate behavior, which is unfortunately what many Pakistanis appear to support at the current moment.

i would love to preach but unfortunately i am no scholar and have no right to preach anything even here i am trying to give a solution which should be accepted by the whole ummah and sects and impelemented by governments. If a scholar does fail he should firstly send someone else in his place and even he fails they should atleast make the individual accept that he is a non muslim which would help the ahmadi alot and there would be no need of any kind of death as no one has taken action against the nation of islam(which was found in america) , the Baha'i faith and countless others who simply accept to not be a part of islam but a different religion. I never said we should send murderous mobs i said a humane private execution. I am still saying that they shouldnt be treated as second class citizens at all even if they dont accept.

 

[Ayubi786]

Will you plz explain what happened with Muslima kzab and his followers?

 

[Not Sure]

No there quran is the same. Their interpretation is vastly different.

No two Ahl-e-Sunnat members would agree on any single interpretation of Quran.

Because...

"If the interpretation of the Holy Quran by the commentators who lived thirteen or twelve hundred years ago is considered as the last word on the subject then the whole Islamic society will be shut up in an iron cage and not allowed to develop along with the time."

- Lahore High Court (PLD 1960 Lah.1142)

 

[Zarvan]

ISLAMABAD: Gunmen in a Punjab village shot dead a member of the Ahmadi religious minority on Saturday, five days after a Muslim leader denounced Ahmadis on a popular television show.

Luqman Ahad Shehzad was shot in the back of the head near Bhiri Shah Rehman village, a small community of Ahmadis in the Gujranwala district, said Saleemud Din, a spokesman of the community.

He is the eleventh person killed for being Ahmadi in Pakistan this year.

Also read: Blasphemy accused Ahmadi man gunned down in Punjab

In 1974, a Pakistani law declared them non-Muslims and made it possible to jail Ahmadis for “posing as a Muslim” or “offending a Muslim's feelings”.

They are often denounced by Muslim clerics and targeted by violent extremists. Some clerics promise that killing Ahmadis earns the killer a place in heaven and distribute leaflets listing their home addresses.

Read more: Mob attack over alleged blasphemy: Three Ahmadis killed in Gujranwala

On Monday, Muslim leader Syed Arif Shah Owaisi appeared on a popular morning television show hosted by Pakistani host Aamir Liaquat Hussain.

“This enemy is a common enemy and is an enemy of all of Pakistan. And this enemy is the sect of Qadiyani,” Owaisi said, using a derogatory term for Ahmadis.

“They are the ones blaspheming against the holy prophet (pbuh). All us Muslims should recognise that enemy.”

Blasphemy is punishable by death in Pakistan. Scores of people have been lynched after being accused of blasphemy.

Saturday's killing was the second time Hussain's show has hosted religious leaders denouncing Ahmadis. In 2008, he hosted scholars who called for the Ahmadis to be killed. Within a day, two prominent Ahmadis had been shot dead.

Explore: Persecuted Ahmadis seek shelter in China

Amir Liaquat Hussain was not immediately available for comment.
Ahmadi man gunned down in Gujranwala - Pakistan - DAWN.COM

After Peshawar massacre, I thought these fanatical Mullahs preaching hatred on daily basis would finally be in jail. Yet, despite what we witnessed on that fateful day, these religious bigots once again got prime time media attention, thanks to the courtesy of Geo News! Shame Shame!

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Ahmedis are not Muslims this is clear to everyone, but now its 3rd and 4th generation Mirza Kazab died long ago and as we have declared them non Muslims already so now they have full rights as minorities they along with there places of worship should be protected by state.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

No there quran is the same. Their interpretation is vastly different.

What's wrong with a different interpretation? The language of the Quran is an ancient and 'dead' form of Arabic, and even mainstream Islamic scholars disagree over its interpretations.

Ahmedis are not Muslims this is clear to everyone, but now its 3rd and 4th generation Mirza Kazab died long ago and as we have declared them non Muslims already so now they have full rights as minorities they along with there places of worship should be protected by state.

You can believe what you want, but if the Ahmadis want to be recognized as Muslims by the State then the State is obligated to do so - anything less means that the State is not treating them equally and that it is not protecting their rights.

 

[Norwegian]

Ahmedis are not Muslims this is clear to everyone, but now its 3rd and 4th generation Mirza Kazab died long ago and as we have declared them non Muslims already so now they have full rights as minorities they along with there places of worship should be protected by state.

We have done this discussion n-th times over. Qadianis being Muslim or not, is none of your business. Only Allah can judge between who is a true Muslim, and who is not. WHO gave these madrassa educated illiterate Maulvis any divine authority to expel or include anyone in Islam? Are Maulvis part of Sunna and Sharia? Which Hadith or verse of Koran mentions Maulvis as authority in Islam?

 

[XenoEnsi-14]

No there quran is the same. Their interpretation is vastly different.

So because there interpretation is different from yours they are wrong? How do you know your interpretation is correct if everybody's interpretation has differences from each other and at the same time believe theirs to be correct? If there was a correct interpretation then there shouldn't be differences in the first place unless there is no known correct interpretation, but only many interpretations believed to be correct.

You view the Bahai as non-muslim too?

 

[Norwegian]

"If the interpretation of the Holy Quran by the commentators who lived thirteen or twelve hundred years ago is considered as the last word on the subject then the whole Islamic society will be shut up in an iron cage and not allowed to develop along with the time."

LOL. And LHC actually dared to say that in 1960, which was still pretty much a secular Pakistan. Try to do the same again in 2014

 

[Wolfhound]

So because there interpretation is different from yours they are wrong? How do you know your interpretation is correct if everybody's interpretation has differences from each other and at the same time believe theirs to be correct? If there was a correct interpretation then there shouldn't be differences in the first place unless there is no known correct interpretation, but only many interpretations believed to be correct.

You view the Bahai as non-muslim too?

All of those sects who have different interpretations of the quran still have the same interpretation about the basic islamic principles(oneness of Allah,angels,books,prophets,Allah's predestination and decree and the day of judgement) and differ only in minor ones which dont make you non muslims.

The view on Bahai is not mine its theres i have been to there temple in america and they never call themselves as muslims

 

[Zarvan]

What's wrong with a different interpretation? The language of the Quran is an ancient and 'dead' form of Arabic, and even mainstream Islamic scholars disagree over its interpretations.


You can believe what you want, but if the Ahmadis want to be recognized as Muslims by the State then the State is obligated to do so - anything less means that the State is not treating them equally and that it is not protecting their rights.

No Sir state is not and they will never be to be a Muslim a person has to believe that HAZRAT MUHAMMAD SAW is the last and Final PROPHET SAW and no PROPHET would come after him they are not Muslims and they will never be recognized Muslims.

 

[Norwegian]

All of those sects who have different interpretations of the quran still have the same interpretation about the basic islamic principles(oneness of Allah,angels,books,prophets,Allah's predestination and decree and the day of judgement) and differ only in minor ones which dont make you non muslims.

The view on Bahai is not mine its theres i have been to there temple in america and they never call themselves as muslims

Qadianis have same faith as majority of Sunnis. Only difference is they have no Maulvis in their communities. They have Murabbis instead that are educated in international Jamias which are found in Western countries such as Canada, UK, Germany. That fact alone makes Qadianis non-Muslim because they have no Maulvis. LOL

 

[Zarvan]

We have done this discussion n-th times over. Qadianis being Muslim or not, is none of your business. Only Allah can judge between who is a true Muslim, and who is not. WHO gave these madrassa educated illiterate Maulvis any divine authority to expel or include anyone in Islam? Are Maulvis part of Sunna and Sharia? Which Hadith or verse of Koran mentions Maulvis as authority in Islam?

Sorry to be a Muslim ALLAH already told what is needed and Qadyanis are not Muslims.

 

[Norwegian]

No Sir state is not and they will never be to be a Muslim a person has to believe that HAZRAT MUHAMMAD SAW is the last and Final PROPHET SAW and no PROPHET would come after him they are not Muslims and they will never be recognized Muslims.

LOL. All secular states, including India where Qadianism was born recognize Qadianis as Muslims. TROLL

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

No Sir state is not and they will never be to be a Muslim a person has to believe that HAZRAT MUHAMMAD SAW is the last and Final PROPHET SAW and no PROPHET would come after him they are not Muslims and they will never be recognized Muslims.

That is your interpretation, and you are welcome to it, no matter how disrespectful and intolerant it may be, so long as your opinion remains just that, an opinion, and has no tangible negative impact on the lives of others. The State on the other hand has a responsibility to treat its citizens equally, and by refusing the recognize the Ahmadis as Muslim, the State is trampling on their faith and their right to freely practice it as citizens of Pakistan.

It is astounding how intolerant and regressive the mindset of so many Muslims has become, this mindset certainly explains the abysmal condition of so many Muslim States worldwide.

 

[Norwegian]

Sorry to be a Muslim ALLAH already told what is needed and Qadyanis are not Muslims.

Where did Allah tell belief in Hadhrat Muhammad (SAW) as the LAST prophet EVER for humanity is THE ONLY WAY to remain or become a MUSLIM? If that was true, how come second coming of Jesus Christ possible?

It is astounding how intolerant and regressive the mindset of so many Muslims has become, this mindset certainly explains the abysmal condition of so many Muslim States worldwide.

All praise to our so-called ulemas