Dr. Amir Liaqat gets a Pakistani killed!

[Wolfhound]

What's wrong with a different interpretation? The language of the Quran is an ancient and 'dead' form of Arabic, and even mainstream Islamic scholars disagree over its interpretations.


You can believe what you want, but if the Ahmadis want to be recognized as Muslims by the State then the State is obligated to do so - anything less means that the State is not treating them equally and that it is not protecting their rights.

Sir there is no difference of interpretation in major or basic principles of islam. The major or mainstream scholars disagree in interpretation of only minor things.

Qadianis have same faith as majority of Sunnis. Only difference is they have no Maulvis in their communities. They have Murabbis instead that are educated in international Jamias which are found in Western countries such as Canada, UK, Germany. That fact alone makes Qadianis non-Muslim because they have no Maulvis. LOL

Sir this post explains perfectly that you dont know about Ahmedis beliefs. We have many differences the major one is believing that Hazrat Muhammad(S.A.W) is the last prophet

Where did Allah tell belief in Hadhrat Muhammad (SAW) as the LAST prophet EVER for humanity is THE ONLY WAY to remain or become a MUSLIM? If that was true, how come second coming of Jesus Christ possible?


All praise to our so-called ulemas

Many Quranic verses state that he is the seal of prophets and the last messenger to ever come. Believing that Hazrat Muhammad(S.A.W) is the last messenger is not the way to remain a muslim but the only way to become one. Hazrat Eassa(A.S) will come as a member of the ummah and not as a prophet.

 

[Norwegian]

Hazrat Eassa(A.S) will come as a member of the ummah and not as a prophet.

As far as I have read, Mirza Qadiani never claimed to be a prophet OUTSIDE Islam. He always said he was part of the Ummah.

 

[Not Sure]

LOL. And LHC actually dared to say that in 1960, which was still pretty much a secular Pakistan. Try to do the same again in 2014

Dare to say that after they ordered the defacing of Abdus Salam's grave?

Oh do you know, the guy leading the defence team of lawyers for Mumtaz Qadri is the same former Chief Justice of Lahore High Court (2010) who had accused Pakistani Hindus of funding terrorism in Pakistan.

 

[XenoEnsi-14]

All of those sects who have different interpretations of the quran still have the same interpretation about the basic islamic principles(oneness of Allah,angels,books,prophets,Allah's predestination and decree and the day of judgement) and differ only in minor ones which dont make you non muslims.
The view on Bahai is not mine its theres i have been to there temple in america and they never call themselves as muslims

How do you know that your interpretation is correct, If it's correct then it shouldn't be possible for a different interpretation such as the Ahmadi but it is? You can't because it's based on an interpretation but you believe in it anyways just like the Ahmadis do because the correct one is not an interpretation, it is not known.

If you need to interpret it then it is not known.

 

[Wolfhound]

Will you plz explain what happened with Muslima kzab and his followers?

Musailma was a false prophet, one of many, who claimed to be a prophet after and alongside the holy prophet. He was defeated along with the other in the ridda wars fought by Hazrat Abu Bakar(R.A). you can find some of the info here (Abu Bakr - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia)

 

[Norwegian]

Musailma was a false prophet, one of many, who claimed to be a prophet after and alongside the holy prophet. He was defeated along with the other in the ridda wars fought by Hazrat Abu Bakar(R.A). you can find some of the info here (Abu Bakr - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia)

Yeah, he was defeated by being assasinated on the orders of the holy prophet (SAW). Seriously, is this how a divine universal religion gets its protection of eternal truth in its early days, loser?

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Sir there is no difference of interpretation in major or basic principles of islam. The major or mainstream scholars disagree in interpretation of only minor things.

That's fine - I really am not interested in a religious discussion at this point. These are your beliefs and I respect them as long as they do not have a tangible negative impact on others.

Where I have an issue is with your (and others) support of the anti-Ahmadi laws - laws that prevent Ahmadis from being recognized as Muslims or even being allowed to call themselves Muslims and their places of worship mosques. Pakistan's anti-Ahmadi laws are an infringement upon the religious rights of the Ahmadis and an open declaration of intolerance, double standards and discrimination against them. Regardless of what your personal beliefs are, you should support the abolishment of these laws and allow the Ahmadis to call themselves whatever they want and for the State to recognize Ahmadis as whatever they wish to be recognized as.

Oh do you know, the guy leading the defence team of lawyers for Mumtaz Qadri is the same former Chief Justice of Lahore High Court (2010) who had accused Pakistani Hindus of funding terrorism in Pakistan.

That man's execution is one that really needs to be sped up. The State needs to execute him like the cowardly and petty murderous thug that he is. Investigate the Mullah's and lawyers supporting him as well - they can probably all be arrested and prosecuted for child rape.

 

[Not Sure]

That man's execution is one that really needs to be sped up. The State needs to execute him like the cowardly and petty murderous thug that he is. Investigate the Mullah's and lawyers supporting him as well - they can probably all be arrested and prosecuted for child rape.

Amidst the massive support of lawyers that Qadri enjoys, this job would be a bit difficult. From the way I see, the court could get a judge who could fix a date for executing Qadri, and the court could let the media know but only after Qadri is out of this world - just as Indians did in case of Kasab. Such a 'dispensable' judge could easily be found because the judge would know he is going to get a nice retirement home in the UAE or elsewhere safe.

But what I wonder is what would be the reaction of the lawyers and other supporters of Qadri. Who knows, Lal Masjid might find a completely new generation of supporters.

 

[Wolfhound]

As far as I have read, Mirza Qadiani never claimed to be a prophet OUTSIDE Islam. He always said he was part of the Ummah.

Even if he didnt claim this all of his believers still follow it.

How do you know that your interpretation is correct, If it's correct then it shouldn't be possible for a different interpretation such as the Ahmadi but it is? You can't because it's based on an interpretation but you believe in it anyways just like the Ahmadis do because the correct one is not an interpretation, it is not known.

If you need to interpret it then it is not known.

I know that the rest of all the islamic sects is true because firstly they all believe it. Secondly because Ahamdis interpretation came about 150 years ago in 1835. Thirdly because the first sect Ibadi was born 20 years after the death of Hazrat Muhammad which means that they had seen the prophet and heard his teachings.

Dare to say that after they ordered the defacing of Abdus Salam's grave?.

This is extremely sad to hear and should be apposed as no ones graves should be defaced and he was a great patriot.

Yeah, he was defeated by being assasinated on the orders of the holy prophet (SAW). Seriously, is this how a divine universal religion gets its protection of eternal truth in its early days, loser?

This post once again shows you dont know jack about islam. He wasnt assassinated by the orders of the holy prophet. We waged war against him and told him to accept that he was a liar and a false prophet he didnt and was defeated and killed in battle all of his followers that survived revered and became muslims again by their own will.

The only way to stop an evil from spreading is to destroy it not leave it alone so it can once again grow. By your logic you should also appose the executions of the taliban

 

[Not Sure]

This is extremely sad to hear and should be apposed as no ones graves should be defaced and he was a great patriot.

How do you know he was great?

Your own court thinks he wasn't worthy of a decent gravestone. Why are you saying something that goes against the judgment of your own honorable court?

 

[Wolfhound]

How do you know he was great?

Your own court thinks he wasn't worthy of a decent gravestone. Why are you saying something that goes against the judgment of your own honorable court?

He was one of the most remarkable pakistani scientists and gave alot for his country that how i know he was a great man. Do you think i give a shite about what our civil courts! They have no honor. They couldnt give the taliban death sentences, what more is needed to hate them

 

[Zarvan]

LOL. All secular states, including India where Qadianism was born recognize Qadianis as Muslims. TROLL

They may but 99 % Muslims know and consider them non Muslims and soon all Muslim countries will make it law as for India they are not a Muslim state and you say lol to me I laugh on jokers like you

 

[Zarvan]

As far as I have read, Mirza Qadiani never claimed to be a prophet OUTSIDE Islam. He always said he was part of the Ummah.

Well that is kufr no PROPHET would come after RASOOL SAW and his claim automatically throws him out of Islam

 

[Bossman]

As far as I have read, Mirza Qadiani never claimed to be a prophet OUTSIDE Islam. He always said he was part of the Ummah.

Are you an ahmadi? What he said doesn't matter he violated the basic tenants of Islam by pretending to be prophet. In fact being a prophet within the fold of Islam is worst than being outside. Ahmadism is a cult not a religion. They do not deserve the same protection as a minority religion. My argument is based on very secular reasoning and I will be happy to prove it if somebody is interested.

 

[Zarvan]

That is your interpretation, and you are welcome to it, no matter how disrespectful and intolerant it may be, so long as your opinion remains just that, an opinion, and has no tangible negative impact on the lives of others. The State on the other hand has a responsibility to treat its citizens equally, and by refusing the recognize the Ahmadis as Muslim, the State is trampling on their faith and their right to freely practice it as citizens of Pakistan.

It is astounding how intolerant and regressive the mindset of so many Muslims has become, this mindset certainly explains the abysmal condition of so many Muslim States worldwide.

Sorry its opinion of 99 % Muslims all over the world and Qadyanis are not Muslims and they will be never allowed to call themselves Muslims its fully clear.