Donald Trump: Will free jailed Pakistan doc who tracked bin Laden

[wiseone2]

Yes...By the way what he would do ?different then Obama ?any guess ?

it is hard to say

the only good thing for Pakistan he has bigger fish to fry

 

[NALANDA]

I bet the doctor will be free within 60 days.

 

[H!TchHiker]

I bet the doctor will be free within 60 days.

Not his priority...

it is hard to say

the only good thing for Pakistan he has bigger fish to fry

Yes he will address the voters who voted him in his firt 100 or 200 days i believe.

 

[Spring Onion]

time for some serious business. trump can have his wish fulfilled but after dome negotiations with Pakistan. now it is up to our institutions to play smart.

he is a new yorker. he is not going to forget 9/11

then he should deal with Saudis not us

 

[wiseone2]

time for some serious business. trump can have his wish fulfilled but after dome negotiations with Pakistan. now it is up to our institutions to play smart.


then he should deal with Saudis not us

that may be so

pakistan has detained the doctor who helped the CIA. of course folks who sheltered OBL are free
try explaining it to Trump

Not his priority...


Yes he will address the voters who voted him in his firt 100 or 200 days i believe.

that would be a wise idea

 

[MilSpec]

Risking the lives of Pakistani children at the behest of CIA he should be hanged....publicly that is

thanks for that, now maybe you should try to dig a little deeper why
"Dr Afridi was sentenced to 33 years in prison for aiding banned militant group Lashkar-e-Islam and not for his links to the CIA,"

 

[Musafir117]

He might be in America already

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

@Solomon2 This is very tricky ground. Two things come to my mind that I think are pertinent to the Dr. Shakeel Afridi case.

1. He colluded with a spy agency of a foreign power - that it was a ally does not change the substance of the matter. UK and USA are as close as can be but I doubt I could become a secret 'operative' of CIA without it being looked down in badly by the authorities in UK. In particular without relevant authorization from UK agencies and knowledge of British government.

2. He colluded in a manner that was extremely damaging to the polio campaign. This is extremely difficult to defend as being a doctor and Pakistani he should have known that using polio as a mask would lead to untold damage to that campaign and thousands of young innocents would suffer as he would know that there would be backlash from the conservatives and extremists. He had as a doctor moral duty to not bring the polio campaign into disrepute which is what exactly what happened. This in my opinion is inexcusable given that he did what he did for monetery gain.


This said however we must always look at the backdrop. No event happens in isolation. If we take a step back and look at the bigger picture the Dr. Afridi's infamous act shrinks and far bigger ugliness takes it's place. Some big questions appear.

1. How did OBL manage to get into Pakistan?
2. How did OBL manage to hide in Pakistan for so long?

These questions expose the gross failure of Pakistani security apparatus or even raise the spectre of complicity. If we ignore the latter the question of gross failure still subsists. In any balance country heads would roll. You can't have such gross failure and then go on as if nothing happened. The big question is whose failure was it that led to Pakistan's international humiliation? Pakistan at worse looked complicit or at best incompetent. Who failed here? Interior minister? ISI chief? Police chief? Chief of staff? Maybe the Prime Minister? All or some of these guy's should have lost their jobs and searching questions should have been asked of all organs of the Pakistani stat not e that failed so miserably. Their failure are far more bigger 'crimes' then what Dr.Afridi did.

However there is zero chance that those who were at helm of the Pakistani state will face accountability. Instead all the blame has been shifted over to Dr. Afridi and thus he has been used as a scapegoat. As I said right at the start, he did wrong but lesser so than those at the top. But he became the fall guy for their failures.

All the public anger has been deflected on to Dr.Afridi whilst the rest got to keep their jobs, pensions and walk away with their reputations intact. The entire OBL fiasco has been neatly dumped on the doctor overlooking the fact that even if there had been no Dr.Afridi the OBL affair still would have exploded inside Pakistan.

But, you've got the stealth technology (materials science/engineering part of it)- not a bad deal in my book...

On a serious note, yes, some soul searching had to be done. But, even Mr. Trump was saying that ISIS was created by Obama administration. Nothing is black and white in the international geopolitical games - everything is Helal and nobody knows whose hand is in whose pocket- bottom-line being not to get capitulated. IMHO, the OBL episode is just a bleep and the foxy folks know it too well. If I were a Pak I'd have said, "Frankly Dear, I don't to give a damn (to anything to do with you folks - you're all jokes)"..

 

[StandForInsaf]

How about paying 100 million and honor the f16 deals we will free him on your will win win situation, otherwise no chance.

 

[IceCold]

thanks for that, now maybe you should try to dig a little deeper why
"Dr Afridi was sentenced to 33 years in prison for aiding banned militant group Lashkar-e-Islam and not for his links to the CIA,"

I dont dig deeper for morons. If he is in for aiding Lashkar-e-Islam than so be it, either way he is where he deserves. You beating around the bush isnt going to change anything.

 

[MilSpec]

I dont dig deeper for morons. If he is in for aiding Lashkar-e-Islam than so be it, either way he is where he deserves. You beating around the bush isnt going to change anything.

Personal insults, that's new. nevertheless, your state did not charge him for any links to CIA, he was charged to be aiding lashkar-e-islam - TTP offshoot, surprisingly Taliban faction named Jamaatul Ahrar claimed responsibility for murder of his lawyer...

The bottom line is your government doesn't even have the courage to indict him for the "treason" not much can be expected from it's raymond davis conduct to begin with.

 

[IceCold]

Personal insults, that's new. nevertheless, your state did not charge him for any links to CIA, he was charged to be aiding lashkar-e-islam - TTP offshoot, surprisingly Taliban faction named Jamaatul Ahrar claimed responsibility for murder of his lawyer...

The bottom line is your government doesn't even have the courage to indict him for the "treason" not much can be expected from it's raymond davis conduct to begin with.

Please explain the 1st highlighted part? Where did i resort to personal insults?
As for the 2nd part so you agree that he should be indicted for treason never the less i agree about the courage part.

 

[MilSpec]

Please explain the 1st highlighted part? Where did i resort to personal insults?
As for the 2nd part so you agree that he should be indicted for treason never the less i agree about the courage part.

I don't care if you indict him for treason or for stealing neighbors chickens, he is a citizen of your country who played a crucial role in eliminating a terrorist who was hiding in your garrison town, with your intel agencies being complicit in aiding him as your own ally did not trust you with the information. You find his act treasonous but hail the ones who sheltered OBL as heroes . That remains your duplicity, and the primary reason that your government didn't have the spine to indict him for aiding CIA...

And I really don't care what you do with Dr, kill him, hang him skin him alive, If your justice system was ok with blood money for Raymond davis, I am sure some arrangement can be made for his release too.

 

[IceCold]

I don't care if you indict him for treason or for stealing neighbors chickens, he is a citizen of your country who played a crucial role in eliminating a terrorist who was hiding in your garrison town, with your intel agencies being complicit in aiding him as your own ally did not trust you with the information. You find his act treasonous but hail the ones who sheltered OBL as heroes . That remains your duplicity, and the primary reason that your government didn't have the spine to indict him for aiding CIA...

And I really don't care what you do with Dr, kill him, hang him skin him alive, If your justice system was ok with blood money for Raymond davis, I am sure some arrangement can be made for his release too.

If you dont care about anything than why bother going round in circles and trying to defend a man who you claim to really dont care about? Isnt this duplicity on your part? If our intel agencies were complicit than what stopped the americans from declaring ISI a terror sponsoring agency and slapping restrictions on it? Heck what stopped the US from slapping sanctions on Pakistan and putting it on the list of terror sponsoring country? Since none of the above happened this means US does not see Pakistan the way India and Indians would like too and the way you people throw random tantrums about sheltering OBL.
And i am still waiting for the reply on "personal insult" that you accused me for laying out?

 

[MilSpec]

If you dont care about anything than why bother going round in circles and trying to defend a man who you claim to really dont care about? Isnt this duplicity on your part? If our intel agencies were complicit than what stopped the americans from declaring ISI a terror sponsoring agency and slapping restrictions on it? Heck what stopped the US from slapping sanctions on Pakistan and putting it on the list of terror sponsoring country? Since none of the above happened this means US does not see Pakistan the way India and Indians would like too and the way you people throw random tantrums about sheltering OBL.
And i am still waiting for the reply on "personal insult" that you accused me for laying out?

I apologize for the personal remarks sentence, I thought you were implying the adjective to me, after reading your post again, i realized you referred to the dr as moron, truly sorry about that.

What stopped americans from doing th things you have said baffles me, although quite a few of american elected representatives do want to go down that path, but mutual interests of White House ties it's hands.
To clarify my defense of the doctors is quite simple. If your state thinks it's treasonous to aid it's nato ally in WoT and indicts him, it's perfectly fine by me. But your state has imposed bogus charges on the doctor in aiding TTP, the same TTP which murdered his lawyer.