does israel have the right to exist?

[qamar1990]

never ubirthed.

they simply die

and new ones' born.

it is a forward moving process like everything else in this universe.

Hope you understand.

i understand

 

[Koovie]

Right now, yes. Israel is a sovereign state with its own interests and right to defend itself.

Whether the formation of Israel after WW2 was righteous is a very difficult question.

On the one hand Israel has been the historical the homeland of the Jews until they were thrown out by the Romans, and a safe home country was needed after centuries of persecution and oppression which reached their sad peak during Hitlers terror reign.

On the other hand you cannot ignore the fact that the Palestinians were living on the same land for centuries.
But the Arab nations plan to simply steam roll the newly formed Israeli state after its formation was neither justified nor did it turn out well for them as Israel ended with more land than the UN envisaged.

 

[gambit]

Borders created by people there, not by people who suddenly call for migration and say we were here before thousands of years.

Try again...

Jordan was created post WW II by Britain and France.

Anyway...Once borders are created and criteria of A B C or X Y Z are in place to allow certain people to live inside those borders, it does not matter if Jews came from Europe, America, or Africa. If the criteria is religious, then religion applies.

 

[Leader]

Nope.. israel is illegitimate child of imperialist England... why should we suffer of their wrong doings !

 

[qamar1990]

Nope, my point is that Israel can't be compared to the plethora of ethnicities which have migrated to USA/Australia - most of the migration has been economic driven. Almost all migration to Israel has been driven by religion.

doesn't make it right either way….

 

[JonAsad]

what your saying wold make sense if pakistanis weren't from pakistan… if modern day pakistanis were from the middle east and came to create a homeland for muslims in india then i guess i can't say nothing… but al of us pakistanis originate from the subcontinent….
while all middle eastern countries have populations native to their lands as well…
israel has a population which is over 80 percent from europe….

Even IDF have western mercenaries jews dying in front line- the zionists are sitting in barracks-

 

[Leader]

besides israel has not been recognized by Pakistan.

 

[qamar1990]

Try again...

Jordan was created post WW II by Britain and France.

Anyway...Once borders are created and criteria of A B C or X Y Z are in place to allow certain people to live inside those borders, it does not matter if Jews came from Europe, America, or Africa. If the criteria is religious, then religion applies.

who created the criteria ?
religion cannot be the criteria for creating a country whose population will be almost completely foreign… that is basically against human rights of the native population…

 

[1000]

Nope, my point is that Israel can't be compared to the plethora of ethnicities which have migrated to USA/Australia - most of the migration has been economic driven. Almost all migration to Israel has been driven by religion.

The end result is the same, foreigners establishing in the region.

 

[gambit]

Nope.. israel is illegitimate child of imperialist England... why should we suffer of their wrong doings !

YOU ? You are Pakistani and lived in a country created with Britain's help. Pakistanis are not suffering at the existence of Israel.

 

[Imran Khan]

besides israel has not been recognized by Pakistan.

and what we got from this ?

 

[FaujHistorian]

doesn't make it right either way….

you just said, you understood the formation of Israel.

Now you say you don't?

Looks like fasting and dehydration is getting you.

How much time before you can break the fast (in your neck of the woods)?

 

[Leader]

YOU ? You are Pakistani and lived in a country created with Britain's help. Pakistanis are not suffering at the existence of Israel.

You know not history.. you american?

 

[Ahmad1996]

Try again...

Jordan was created post WW II by Britain and France.

Anyway...Once borders are created and criteria of A B C or X Y Z are in place to allow certain people to live inside those borders, it does not matter if Jews came from Europe, America, or Africa. If the criteria is religious, then religion applies.

So you are saying all this conflict is because some people decide to implement their own solution without asking the people living there.

 

[gambit]

who created the criteria ?
religion cannot be the criteria for creating a country whose population will be almost completely foreign… that is basically against human rights of the native population…

Sorry, but you are wrong. Countries have been created before with as many criteria as imagined.