does israel have the right to exist?

[Ahmad1996]

So some of you are saying that we should throw out the Mughals because they don't originate from Pakistan (just an example don't be serious guys ) or we should throw everyone out from Australia and let only the native population live there as they originate from there or we should bring back the native people of America and throw everyone out....Oh wait! They all were killed so Europeans and other people could come, the same thing that's Israel is doing and we all know where they come from.

 

[AUSTERLITZ]

yes but which of these jews are originally from israel?
80 percent of modern day israeli jews are from russia, poland, germany and surrounding countries in europe…
so should israel have been created???

There's no way to tell.the reason jews were in russia and poland was through original roman scattering.Thats how judaism spread in europe.As for should israel have been created...it no longer matters now.What matters is what can be done to stop constant bloodshed.
Imo palestine should forsake violence and start mandela/gandhi type non violence movement .Half a century of violence got them nowhere..no arabs will help them.These rockets strikes are useless pinpricks on israel..maybe kills some civilians but does nothing to israel military except serve as justification for retaliation in which 100 times worse suffering happens to palestinians.In non-violence movement israel will have to literally mow down unarmed guys without rocket attacks as justification.this will create world condemnation and not be seen as defence against terrorist attacks.One more thing they need to realise is they need to divorce the issue from religion...make it humanitarian and not religious issue.Anyone afraid of islamic extremism will naturally support israel,due to their struggle with muslims.It doesn't help when religious leaders declare fatwas and said we will annihilate israel and unfurl flag and so so on jerusalem.These are unrealistic rants which doesn't serve palestinian cause and aligns palestinian cause with islamic extremism in world view.Palestinian need to understand 2 things-one israel won't go away and they'll never be able to match israel militarily.The best thing to strive for is a 2 state solution where their children can grow up with dignity and security..their main goal right now shouldn't be destruction of israel which is a fantasy but rather stopping expansion of israeli settlements.
Second thing they need to understand is only thing that will change current status quo is world opinion,nothing else.They need to clearly communicate to the world this is not a religious struggle but a humanitarian issue for survival..and that we are fighting for the right to live in dignity for our kids..thats all.Of course they will have to make compromises to get peace..but u have to begin somewhere.Right now way they are going they have no future litearlly..

 

[Imran Khan]

Damn! My kind of woman.

hum bijli ka bill nhi dety kya?

 

[Jackdaws]

So some of you are saying that we should throw out the Mughals because they don't originate from Pakistan (just an example don't be serious guys ) or we should throw everyone out from Australia and let only the native population live there as they originate from there or we should bring back the native people of America and throw everyone out....Oh wait! They all were killed so Europeans and other people could come, the same thing that's Israel is doing and we all know where they come from.

The regions you are referring to had a gradual migration - not a sudden displacement.

 

[qamar1990]

@500 @Contrarian @Koovie @FaujHistorian @KingMamba @DESERT FIGHTER

There's no way to tell.the reason jews were in russia and poland was through original roman scattering.Thats how judaism spread in europe.As for should israel have been created...it no longer matters now.What matters is what can be done to stop constant bloodshed.
Imo palestine should forsake violence and start mandela/gandhi type non violence movement .Half a century of violence got them nowhere..no arabs will help them.These rockets strikes are useless pinpricks on israel..maybe kills some civilians but does nothing to israel military except serve as justification for retaliation in which 100 times worse suffering happens to palestinians.In non-violence movement israel will have to literally mow down unarmed guys without rocket attacks as justification.this will create world condemnation and not be seen as defence against terrorist attacks.One more thing they need to realise is they need to divorce the issue from religion...make it humanitarian and not religious issue.Anyone afraid of islamic extremism will naturally support israel,due to their struggle with muslims.It doesn't help when religious leaders declare fatwas and said we will annihilate israel and unfurl flag and so so on jerusalem.These are unrealistic rants which doesn't serve palestinian cause and aligns palestinian cause with islamic extremism in world view.Palestinian need to understand 2 things-one israel won't go away and they'll never be able to match israel militarily.The best thing to strive for is a 2 state solution where their children can grow up with dignity and security..their main goal right now shouldn't be destruction of israel which is a fantasy but rather stopping expansion of israeli settlements.
Second thing they need to understand is only thing that will change current status quo is world opinion,nothing else.They need to clearly communicate to the world this is not a religious struggle but a humanitarian issue for survival..and that we are fighting for the right to live in dignity for our kids..thats all.Of course they will have to make compromises to get peace..but u have to begin somewhere.Right now way they are going they have no future litearlly..

i agree with your on this…
this can possibly be the best solution..
i do however disagree with the fact that russian and polish jews originate from israel… they are also converts…

 

[Ahmad1996]

The regions you are referring to had a gradual migration - not a sudden displacement.

What's your point? Did these people revolt and said we want to create our own state?

 

[FaujHistorian]

@500 @Contrarian @Koovie @FaujHistorian @KingMamba @DESERT FIGHTER

i agree with your on this…
this can possibly be the best solution..
i do however disagree with the fact that russian and polish jews originate from israel… they are also converts…

??????

Oh bahi,

What you want to hear on this topic?

Please be more specific.

Thanks for the invite but please be more specific.



By the way your thread title is totally wrong. you as a Pakisttani Aemrican should be touting about "israel has the right to exist". period.

 

[qamar1990]

??????

Oh bahi,

What you want to hear on this topic?

Please be more specific.

Thanks for the invite but please be more specific.



By the way your thread title is totally wrong. you as a Pakisttani Aemrican should be touting about "israel has the right to exist". period.

israel has the right to exist now obviously because its too damn late…


but should israel have been created to begin with??
do jews around the world have the right to migrate to israel at the expense palestinians being kicked out of their homes?

 

[FaujHistorian]

israel has the right to exist now obviously because its too damn late…


but should israel have been created to begin with??
do jews around the world have the right to migrate to israel at the expense palestinians being kicked out of their homes?

Can't ask to unbirth a child.

Something something happened
Child was conceived
child was born
Child is now strong man

Everytime you go ask if that strong man should have been born, he slaps you on the head.

So quit asking such questions.

unless, getting slapped on the head (or behind) gives you a pleasant "sensation". hahaahah!

 

[qamar1990]

Can't ask to unbirth a child.

Something something happened
Child was conceived
Child is now strong man
Everytime you go ask if that strong man should have been born, he slaps you on the head.

So quit asking such questions.

can't unbirth a child but a countries can get "unbirthed" for being a faujhistrian you should know that very well….

 

[gambit]

are you saying that these jews in israel originate from israel?
any proofs? to back this up?

If you have a problem with Israel, then why not equally angry at the entire ME, and your own Pakistan, for that matter ? Look at the maps. See how the borders are partitioned by others.

 

[FaujHistorian]

can't unbirth a child but a countries can get "unbirthed" for being a faujhistrian you should know that very well….

never ubirthed.

they simply die

and new ones' born.

it is a forward moving process like everything else in this universe.

Hope you understand.

 

[Ahmad1996]

If you have a problem with Israel, then why not equally angry at the entire ME, and your own Pakistan, for that matter ? Look at the maps. See how the borders are partitioned by others.

Borders created by people there, not by people who suddenly call for migration and say we were here before thousands of years.

 

[qamar1990]

If you have a problem with Israel, then why not equally angry at the entire ME, and your own Pakistan, for that matter ? Look at the maps. See how the borders are partitioned by others.

what your saying wold make sense if pakistanis weren't from pakistan… if modern day pakistanis were from the middle east and came to create a homeland for muslims in india then i guess i can't say nothing… but al of us pakistanis originate from the subcontinent….
while all middle eastern countries have populations native to their lands as well…
israel has a population which is over 80 percent from europe….

 

[Jackdaws]

What's your point? Did these people revolt and said we want to create our own state?

Nope, my point is that Israel can't be compared to the plethora of ethnicities which have migrated to USA/Australia - most of the migration has been economic driven. Almost all migration to Israel has been driven by religion.