Do we (Paks) want to copy Chinese culture or just JF-17?

[Bratva]

Chinese started from copying russian stuff. Now they are here due to their sheer determination and economic prowess. We are taking baby steps in this direction and we are at bottom of food chain but it doesn't mean we are out of food chain at all.

 

[Ra'ad]

So going by your own logic, When you contribute something towards a product, than you copy your own contribution, does it make what OP is trying to make out i.e Copy without passing through learning curve ?

Nooo..your Jf-17 logic was totally sound and right..what the OP meant in my perception is that the chinese have developed way more quickly than us. Although we started out from the same point, we remain almost at the origin point. The reasons for this are differences in our collective habits and our culture, and so we should learn from their culture, so that we can prosper at the same rate. If we do that, we can have everything, a strong economy, an impenetrable defence, international prestige, and say in international matters. Jf-17 was (IMO) meant to illustrate his point that we are more or less at the receiving end of our mutual relationship.

 

[FaujHistorian]

No sir unfortunately I haven't .. Please enlighten us .

1776 work

foundation of modern economy


it should be "holy bible" for anyone interested in modern culture and economy.

The Wealth of Nations - wiki

 

[Luftwaffe]

Serious efforts could be there but nothing is FREE...You need alot of serious cash for R&D, China were like us they spied, they build their economy they purchased and studied equipment they purchased information legally/illegally every Nation has done it whether US or Russian and so on. Than it is out Gov that should contribute pay cash to Universities and organizations to work research upon experiment develop.

 

[JonAsad]

I cant understand the comparison-
Suppose we make F-16s with full ToT- does that mean we copy amrikan culture?-

 

[notsuperstitious]

Chinese are (generalisation of course)

Hard working, interested in personal excellence (education included), interested in material things and less emotional, not into politics, do not bother with whats happening in other countries, less religious.

I would like India to be like this. Atleast the personal excellence part, many indian individuals are taking it seriously.

 

[FaujHistorian]

Thread Closed!

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[Ra'ad]

Thread Closed!

LOL ye koi magic words nai hain like 'khul ja sim sim' ke you utter them and the thread gets closed. You need to be a mod to do that.

 

[JohnyD]

LOL ye koi magic words nai hain ke you utter them and the thread gets closed. You need to be a mod to do that.

yes, I realized it, hence self deleted my comment. ..but after reading the thread I really thot it worth to close the thread

 

[FaujHistorian]

..but after reading the thread I really thot it worth to close the thread

still ?????????????????????

 

[Ra'ad]

yes, I realized it, hence self deleted my comment. ..but after reading the thread I really thot it worth to close the thread

I found it very funny indeed..for a moment you sounded like the UN. But anyway its a good discussion isn't it? More like a little introspection thread.

 

[JohnyD]

I found it very funny indeed..for a moment you sounded like the UN. But anyway its a good discussion isn't it? More like a little introspection thread.

Enjoy.. ..may be I could not relate my thots ..

 

[Slav Defence]

@FaujHistorian
Your question is correct but seems that it's usual bitter tone has objected some people.
Let us assume that there is a class. The class has multiple students, majority of high scorers.However,after gradation..amazingly one of the most average student discovers the solution of any unknown disease while rest position holders were left behind.
So,what is the extract here?
It is -Inception,discipline and dedication.
The current west is like that average student .They were once in dark ages but they later on realized and made inventions ,leaving Arabs and Asians behind.
When nawabs of India were throwing money lavishly over women-lord Rutherford was passing x-rays over same gold foil to discover structure of atom.
It is a blessing of god that Pakistan realizes and becomes nuclear state-but to come on west's level(forget China, I am taking west as example)we must have discipline first,then together with faith and dedication we can come to high level.
Now let us continue the example...
The invention was made by the average most student of class as a result of which his status was changed-now he was leading and rests were following to learn that how did he the average most student come to make such a huge discovery? and the reason was that his thinking orientation was different and well distinct as compare to rest students.
So,moral here is that we must be disciplined first, then have faith and dedication to make new things.Some times new ideas can be done by following lead with patience and knowledge.
Regards

 

[kshaib]

Japan copied every thing of west, later they create their own..............etc.

If Pakistan learned from China, then they create their own................etc.

 

[Sankpal]

@FaujHistorian
You asking for very right question and I also thought same thing for Pakistan.

1st . We need Moneyyyyyyyy, for money u need strong economy, For strong economy need to come out from internal WAR.

My question is too.....

1. when you going to make indigenous Frigate or other navy ships?
2. when u going to make indigenous tank?
3. when u going to make fighter plane?

at-least, need start R& D now. otherwise will buying or doing license production after 50 years too.