Do Indian Muslims feel lucky to be citizens of India, not Pakistan or Bangladesh which were once par

[Post Colonnial]

both my parents are from indian side of kashmir, and my father hates india with passion. He's gone as far as trying to start a fight with a CRPF soldier when we were on holiday in kashmir over 10 years ago, he respects pakistan allot but he told me his glad his family didn't move there. When you see kashmiris waving pakistani flags etc there only doing this to piss indians off. If the had a choice all of them would choose to stay with india, there fighting for autonomy, by waving the pakistani flag to the indians were sticking the middle finger to there shit government.
even people in pakistan who come to europe are trying to escape it. those that settle here don't want to go back. people need to realize that the culture in the kashmir valley is completely different to punjabi culture etc.

this sounds about right!

 

[X-2.]

We Muslim belive there are no borders for any human,class color or tribe. every one came here on earth to live free

 

[raj76]

We Muslim belive there are no borders for any human,class color or tribe. every one came here on earth to live free

yet u r nation was created on basis of islam pls dont confuse me

 

[dadeechi]

We Muslim belive there are no borders for any human,class color or tribe. every one came here on earth to live free

What does live free mean? could you elaborate?

 

[X-2.]

A according to this scenario unfortunately yes
If u go back around 1914 there was end of Othman empire before that all arab African Muslim nations were as one
It was British who did
Divide n rule
They turn them to nationalism etc etc

Every person has equal rights to live irrespect to his religious beliefs ,color or cast

 

[Indus Pakistan]

We Muslim belive there are no borders for any human,class color or tribe. every one came here on earth to live free

So you are against the Durand Line? You support Afghan's coming to Pakistan? Hey @A-Team you got a supporter here.

 

[X-2.]

No I'm totally against it
I said any earlier scenario before centuries when Muslim were living under one ruler
Now afg is in wrong hands and become proxy hub against Pakistan

 

[dadeechi]

A according to this scenario unfortunately yes
If u go back around 1914 there was end of Othman empire before that all arab African Muslim nations were as one
It was British who did
Divide n rule
They turn them to nationalism etc etc

Every person has equal rights to live irrespect to his religious beliefs ,color or cast

Don't worry world is becoming a global village - Single currency, Single tariff system (WTO), Single rule of law (ICJ) and single religion (Atheism)

There would be just one nation.

 

[DesiWarrior]

What was foolish in my words .... just saying the truth ..... just check when ever a Pakistani goes abroad for a job , he doesnt want to come back to Pakistan , he tries to settle their ... check London , Saudi Arabia , Canada, Australia

But who ever goes from India comes back and keeps their citizenship

This itself shows how they love their country.... now who is in fools paradise

Where are you based at? In India I believe. I have worked with and know and can introduce you more than 10 people from India even now who have settled here in USA and they never want to go back. How you came up with the story that all Indian wants to go back? Live in the real world man and stop believing what your media tells you.

Why every year Indians apply in troves to come to USA on H1-B visas? They are the largest recipient of work visas in USA. Couple of years ago, the procedures for filing were changed when Indian companies were caught exploiting the system as 3-4 large Indian companies had applied for about 50K applications out of 65K qouta . That shouldn't be the case if India is such a thriving place that there is a more inflow of Indians than outflow?

 

[X-2.]

May be..this will happen after malhama ww3 the great one
Then after Islam will rise all over
Then in the end time that is possible wt u said

 

[GuardianRED]

Where are you based at? In India I believe. I have worked with and know and can introduce you more than 10 people from India even now who have settled here in USA and they never want to go back. How you came up with the story that no Indian wants to go back? Live in the real world man and stop believing what your media tells you.

Why every year Indians apply in troves to come to USA on H1-B visas? They are the largest recipient of work visas in USA. Couple of years ago, the procedures for filing were changed when Indian companies were caught exploiting the system as 3-4 large Indian companies had applied for about 50K applications out of 65K qouta . That shouldn't be the case if India is such a thriving place that there is a more inflow of Indians than outflow?

So ?? Those every ppl r proud to be Indian, didn't u see the huge reception the PM got !! U show me 10, I can show u another 20 who r ready to go back or already back . What is ur point . Also those very 10 ppl also must be sending remittances back to India !! Great for our economy!

 

[dadeechi]

I think the Hindus in Pakistan and Muslims in India were the most unlucky folks as they were forced to choose, irrespective of their choice to migrate or not.

Indian Hindus and Pakistani Muslims were the fortunate ones as they did not go through the pain of choosing. Many times in life, facing an option to choose is far worse than not getting an option to choose.

 

[DesiWarrior]

So ?? Those every ppl r proud to be Indian, didn't u see the huge reception the PM got !! U show me 10, I can show u another 20 who r ready to go back or already back . What is ur point . Also those very 10 ppl also must be sending remittances back to India !! Great for our economy!

Don't change the point of his arguments here. He meant to show that all Indians wants to work in India as it is such a thriving place and I gave you practical example where troves of Indians are trying to go out of the country to work. I am not saying it's wrong. All I am saying is accept that for people in India, working outside India is still a preferable option and whoever gets the chance, they avail it. There is nothing wrong in stating and accepting the obvious.

 

[GuardianRED]

Don't change the point of his arguments here. He meant to show that all Indians wants to work in India as it is such a thriving place and I gave you practical example where troves of Indians are trying to go out of the country to work. I am not saying it's wrong. All I am saying is accept that for people in India, working outside India is still a preferable option and whoever gets the chance, they avail it. There is nothing wrong in stating and accepting the obvious.

As u know we r very large population , the statement "saying is accept that for people in India, working outside India is still a preferable option" IS very board statement to make , like a 50-50 chance , I know ppl u worked in India and happy abroad and also know ppl who worked abroad r quite happy working in India !! And most ppl will agree with this!!

 

[AUz]

Indians who are catching at the straw by bringing up casualities of war on terror....are you kidding me?!

Which great nation did not suffer internal conflicts and wars in human history? The United States lost hundreds of thousands people (which is equal to today's millions, considering the small populations in 1700's, 1800's) in their civil war--while Chinese lost tens of millions due to their internal struggles and wars.

Yes, Pakistan was pushed into a bloody internal conflict due to Soviet Union/American invasions of Afghanistan--but that's a small price compared to what we achieved for our vision. Just like I broke it down for my poor Indian members in my previous post, let me break it down for you guys again..

The roots of our current internal struggles go back to 1979 when Soviet Union invaded Afghanistan. Now, Pakistan was created as an Islamic state---and post 1960's identified itself as part of the global Islamic Civilization rather than being "indian by culture"...So did we live up to our own vision? Here's the quick recap of history..

Any other nation would have 'surrendered' to the mighty Soviet Union at the time, entered the 'Soviet bloc', and would have enjoyed the benefits in terms of economic development. Afghanistan got run over by soviets? who cares? Each nation protect its own interests, isn't it?

Pakistan's involvement in Afghan war brought millions of refugees, Islamic extremism, and drug wars to Pakistani cities and we haven't recovered since. Consequentially, we lost thousands of our citizens in last three decades (a fact indians love to bring up).

But here's another way of looking at it.

Pakistan, being an Islamic State, took the initiative and confronted the Soviet might in the mountainous rigid lands of Afghanistan (later U.S and Arabs joined in with their help, funding, weapons etc). The war proved a critical nail in Soviet's coffin, especially its rule across Central Asia---and eventually communism fell...Guess what happen as a result?

After fall of Soviet...Islam further gain 4,000,000 sq km territory and whole Central Asia also became decisively "Muslim-Majority" (Mashallah to that!). Tens of millions of Muslims were free from communist persecution. Thousands of mosques were opened inside Russian mainland, let alone in wider Central Asia. Global Islamic Civilisation extended even further globally and established itself in all corners of planet Earth. So much so that today, Islamic Civilisation has established itself in the heartlands of West..with tens of millions Islamic people establishing thousands of thriving communities all across West with their own unique culture, religion, and identity.

In this regard, Pakistan played its role of being an "Islamic state" under which vision it was created. It overlooked it's short-term gains for the more permanent interest of the wider, global Islamic World and Islamic peoples. Pakistan took punches for sure...we brought devastation in some parts of our own land (FATA region) but the "gain" was way larger, way more global and permanent in nature. What we did and what followed was of historical value. Yeah, the 'benefits' weren't for Pakistanis specifically..but then again, Pakistan sees itself not as a secular, tribal state but a part of the wider, global civilization linked-together by Islam's civilizational principles and cultural aspects common to Islamic peoples worldwide.

So Pakistan, being an ideological state as our founding documents stated, played completely rational role which served our interests geopolitically as well as ideologically. Pakistan played an important role for something far bigger than itself. It's funny, Pakistan has already played a greater role in the construction of history than India ever has in its entire existence going back thousands of years .

Hindus have been dominated, butchered, humiliated, conquered, and ruled over by Islamic powers for centuries and centuries--and then, Muslims divided India into three parts and are ruling two out of those three parts. Even in remaining part, Muslims are growing faster than Hindus and will constitute about 20% of entire country in coming decades. Hindus, even if wanted to, can not "cleanse" Muslims from amongst themselves because if they tried something like that, Pakistan, it's military, and its intelligence agencies will make sure the internal strife consume entire India in its totality and India is burnt to ground.

But hey, Muslims in India are better off because our hindu brothers tell us so? As I have laid it out---the comparison is absolutely ridiculous. Muslims in Pakistan are in much, much better condition. And losing couple of thousand of our citizens is a price worth paying for the survival of Islamic Republic of Pakistan, what it stands for, and what it has already achieved!

Can't wait to visit my homeland and celebrate Eid ul Bakr without any fear of repercussions for slaughtering cows