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You brought in Islam is bad and all i did was quote but so far I got a nt a single Chapter or verse! :whistle:

I pointed out your patent hypocrisy at dissing Hindu customs while ignoring worse within your own religion as practiced by your coreligionists. I do not need (nor want) to be a Koranic scholar. I merely need to keep my ears and eyes open in the society and world I live in.

Sati (Devanagari: सती, the feminine of sat "true"; also called suttee) was a social funeral practice among some Indian communities in which a recently widowed woman would immolate herself on her husband’s funeral pyre. The practice was banned several times, with the current ban dating to 1829 by the British. Few reliable records exist of the practice before the time of the Gupta empire, approximately 400 CE.
in 400 CE? Really? BTW, Gupta doesnt sound very Arabic...

Nope no Arab introduced that...

You spoke about parents burying their girls. Not girls burning themselves on their husbands' funeral pyre. Hindus burn, not bury. Hope you can appreciate the difference. My response was to what you posted about the practice of burying female foetuses and infants. A barbaric custom regularly practiced since ancient times by Arab tribesmen.

Wow what a word to use! :blink: is this the thinking of EVERY INDIAN man?! :blink: Well, it is fine if her parents give...I already said that few pages back...but asking?! Really you support this cheap system?!

Pages back you were called out by me for taking a huge all-blanketing swipe at Hindu customs when I had to point out to you how and why such customs came into being and how it was unfair (and hugely hypocritical and self-serving) of you to bash an entire religion and civilization and people and their traditions and customs for the greed and misdemeanors of some. To give you an example, its like me coming on to a thread about the New York bomber, and lamenting how all Muslims were terrorists and how disgusting such behavior was. Hope you can now appreciate where I am coming from. @Zakii


Please come to the mahram/sex melas/cattle fairs of old Hyderabad, India, year on year if you want proof.

Well, why is it easy to boast secularism when it comes to minorities but suddenly women are even lower than minorities? :unsure:

Please do not obfuscate. We know what you were bashing, and have thus called you out on the same. Have a problem with women's rights in India, use the correct stick to beat us with. Your khatre me legacy seems to have gotten the better of you here.

So far we have read pages of YOUR opinion...NOTHING to support it except YOUR mentality!

So far you have cemented my opinion of YOUR mentality via pages of your usual ..... well ..... pearls. What else can a commoner expect from a princess .....
 
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I think you recently learnt the word hypocrisy ...well I can keep my eyes and ears open too and see what people do....you see I pointed yo your culture. ..based on what you lot read and practice. Either prove your cultural stand or at least have the balls to admit that people are doing it wrong.

I can quote your Scripture preaching all that. But I wanted you to tell what it really is all you did is only node at it...I explained why it is disgusting esp in 21st century asked you to tell me it is not In your culture have and people are misusing it like how I point out that people misuse Islam name.....so far for pages it is you claiming this and that...you you and you...nothing worth arguing on pov...

While you nicely bashed Islam based on your pov I showed you why I called it disgusting. ..not only my pov but backed with articles of what women are...buried as babies (will search it up if you please but I already placed an article and anotger about sati....aurat ya bachi kissi ko nai chora tum logon nay...

Did I say all Indian? All I talked about is a culture and a mindset... now since you have a habit of painting everyone with the same colour you see me pointing and all millions of you
 
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guys ..stick to topic please.... :)
India has outlawed dowry .. what about pakistan and bangladesh?

And I know people who have been charged with false dowry case. Its a tragedy that women get hurt for not bringing dowry.. and some decent people go to jail due to vindictive women.
 
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guys ..stick to topic please.... :)
India has outlawed dowry .. what about pakistan and bangladesh?

And I know people who have been charged with false dowry case. Its a tragedy that women get hurt for not bringing dowry.. and some decent people go to jail due to vindictive women.

Thank you for your reminder mind discussing where it originated is also part of the topic and people who support it seem to justify it and even blame it on Arab lolzzzz
 
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Equal? How is bashing a woman and her whole family giving equal rights? and not to forget how is reminding a woman HOW LITTLE she brought in dowry any form of a :tup:

You want to side your tradition fine...side it but kindly dont cry when people see it doesnt suit the 21st SECULAR society India claims to be!

LOL and this is what you got from my reply.... did you read it from right to left by mistake?
 
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I can't say about the above , but yes a woman can divorce her husband is Islam its called khula

yes khula is there which is seeking divorce from husband.

Its different not like divorcing Mr Husband himself like in this thread.
 
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She should come to China and give lectures, maybe then she can make Chinese girls less demanding lol.
 
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@genmirajborgza786 and @Raja.Pakistani

*sigh*

I beg to differ...Divorce is the very right Islam gives to a woman which other cultures did not....Islam does allow women to divorce a man...she as simple as needs to say I cant tolerate him. Or I cant live with him anymore. Because Islam does not allow forcing 1 to establish a relationship as this leads to other evil.....a woman is very well allowed to divorce but give TALAQ as well as Khulla which in Iraq (I had an Iraqi dormate in UK who whose sis was studying law) both are 1 and the same.

As for Pakistan , where even a drunk man can say 3 talaq in 1 sitting and is considered talaq (when in Islam it is not the case coz 1 has to have to be in a sane state of mind and not forced in order for a talaq to be settled) a woman is not given this right...HOWEVER, if you go to a family court a woman can as easily obtain a talaq within 1 week to 1 mth (got a family friend who got it in 2 weeks)...Islam is not a barbaric religion where a woman has to beg a man to divorce her...Obviously if she wants divorce is coz SHE has a prob with him OR cant live with him and wants out...

WHY ON EARTH will the man abide? He will just have fun prolonging it! Hence, Islam DOES have a way out for women in such crap!

Talon there are separate rules of divorce for men and woman. He was saying that women can give divorce(talaq) and then he mentioned khula and i just corrected him that khula is right of Muslim woman to seek(not give) divorce or separation from her husband on valid grounds either through Qadi or family courts if husband refuses to give her divorce. I know this because i have one female friend here in UK who is going through in this process of khula and its very complicated for woman as there are many legal obstacles there and you have to give very solid reasons when you apply for khula and no they will not give khula to woman if she say she don't like her husband . They would ask reasons why she dont like him? why she married to him if she did not like him :D If he don't fulfil his financial or sexual obligation then that can be valid grounds but then you have to provide evidences of your claims..very hectic an stressful process :)
 
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guys ..stick to topic please.... :)
India has outlawed dowry .. what about pakistan and bangladesh?
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Can you mention bit more about Indian laws against Dowry and how they implement it in India?

The Government of Pakistan passed a law the Dowry and Bridal Gifts Restriction Act in 1976 that prohibited dowry above a specific amount to little effect


well this article cover some points



The bride’s dowry!

Every society needs laws. Laws regulate the lives between people and people, between people and society and between people and the government. The objective of any legal system will be providing answers to everyday problems that arise. In the absence of laws, anarchy and chaos will reign supreme.Laws to be effective, must work well on two levels. First, they must be clear, lucidly comprehensive, addressing issues intelligently. Second, they must be implemented in spirit. Some of the best laws fail because the implementation is lacking.Laws need to be revisited with time. Societies change, circumstances change and the needs of people change along with. Laws need to fulfil the need of the society. If they do not-it’s not worth the piece of paper written on.Giving of bride’s dowry is a common practice in many parts of the world, especially in South Asia, in countries such as India, Bangladesh, Pakistan, Sri Lanka and Nepal. An unusual exception to the dowry custom in South Asia is found in Bhutan. The dowry system does not exist in Bhutan; inheritance is matrilineal, and daughters do not take their father's name at birth or their husband's name upon marriage. Rural land may be registered in a woman’s name.

The Dowry and Bridal Gifts (Restriction) Act, 1976 is one such Act that desperately await the attention of lawmakers in Pakistan. It restricts the amount spent on dowry not to exceed rupees five thousand. The amount of cash and gifts given to the bridegroom likewise cannot exceed the same amount. The value of present to bride and bridegroom from guests may not exceed rupees one hundred. Government officials, i.e. the President, the Prime Minister, Federal Minister, Chief Minister of State, Adviser, Governor, Speaker, Deputy Speaker, the Chairman or the Deputy Chairman of the Senate, Parliamentary Secretary, Member of the Senate, National Assembly or Provincial Assembly, government servant or an official serving in any corporation, industry or establishment owned, controlled or managed by government, shall not receive any present in connection with his marriage or the marriage of his son or daughter, except from his relations. Understandably, in order to ensure no ‘bribes’ or ‘expensive favours’ are given in the form of ‘gifts’.The Act further states that the total expenditure on all the wedding functions must not exceed rupees two thousand five hundred. The list of the dowry must be furnished with the Registrar. The violator may suffer an imprisonment up to six months or a fine of rupees ten thousand or both. The dowry, presents in excess of the amount allowed under the Act will be forfeited by the federal government.The law lies on the backburner, gathering dust, forgotten and ignored. It rightly deserves to be forgotten and ignored. The law does not take the rising inflation into consideration; it does not take different income level strata into consideration, thereby making allowance for different income group classes to spend different amounts as per their affordability. Interestingly, there is no provision in the law prohibiting the bridegroom’s family demanding a dowry.


If we look at The Dowry Prohibition Act of India 1961, anyone demanding dowry, may be imprisoned up till five years and fined up till fifteen thousand rupees or both. However, this law fails in most part as it is not implemented. Rahul Bedi states 8,391 dowry death cases were reported across India, meaning a bride was burned every 90 minutes, according to statistics recently released by the National Crime Records Bureau in 2010. (Published: Telegraph (U.K.) February 27, 2012)The dire need of the day is for the lawmakers to revisit The Dowry and Bridal Gifts (Restriction) Act, 1976.It needs a close scrutiny.If any law fails to protect the rights of citizens and lays out clauses that are clearly out of touch with reality, they will fail at the implementation level. In our society, the demand for dowry is not an uncommon phenomenon. This needs to be stopped. In many cases, the parents and the family of the bride-to-be may just not be able to fulfil the demands made. Law governing against making demands need to be made part of the Act. In other cases, there is an excess of money spent on wedding function(s), gifts to families and the dowry given. Those who are affluent must observe reasonable limitations not only in giving of a dowry, but also of wedding presents so to avoid vulgar ostentatiousness. However, the amounts suggested in the Act are neither practical, nor reasonable and certainly not in line with the inflation today. Instead of stating amounts to be spent, a formula based on a certain percentage of income of the head of the family calculated over a certain period of time may be a more practical option. For those in taxpaying bracket; spending can be determined in proportion to tax paid by the parent(s) and/or the marrying couples themselves. Not only the dowry list, but also authentic verified receipts with latest tax challan should be submitted not to the Registrar but the local Union Council within 10 days of the wedding date. If bride and bridegroom are living in different areas with different Union Councils, it will make practical sense to submit both at one of the two Union Council Offices. However, receipt by Union Council upon submission of list, must be presented for record of the Union Council where the other party resides.Lawmakers in Pakistan need to scrutinise, evaluate, take a hard look at ground realities before forming a law. Legislation is the task of parliamentarians. Running of ministries is best left to relevant technocrats. Let ‘not’, words of Walter Bagehot ring true: “A Parliament is nothing less than a big meeting of more or less idle people.”

nThe writer is a lawyer, academic and political analyst. She has authored a book titled “A Comparative Analysis of Media & Media Laws in Pakistan”.

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