Divine laws are more relevant for modern societies.

[VCheng]

So that doesn't mean, there's fault in shariah. It's the ulemas trying to mess it all.

There is a flaw in Sharia: the lack of agreement as to what exactly is it.

 

[T-72M1]

Hahah you deleted your comment earlier. Here's my answer.

Do Muslims want Shariah to rule America/globe?

"No. Remember, the Qur'an teaches that religion must not be a matter of the state. Shariah is a personal relationship with God. Prophet Muhammad, even as the de facto ruler of Arabia, wrote the Charter of Medina in which Muslims were held to Shariah Law, and Jews to the Law of the Torah. Not a single non-Muslim was held to Shariah because Shariah itself forbids compulsion. The Qur'an clearly says, "There is no compulsion in religion" (2:257). Furthermore, Shariah obliges Muslims to be loyal to their nation of residence. Therefore, American Muslims must adhere to the US Constitution as the supreme law of the land."

what comment ? I didn't delete anything, probably one of the mods.

and that's cool, I too believe that religion should be a personal matter, it's one's relationship to god etc, and that's all that it is, right ? anyone wishing to live their life compliant to whatever their personal beliefs are should be allowed to do so, no state should dictate to an individual.

 

[rockstar08]

Sir I don't know what are you up to. Everything is deluded to you and denying all the facts.

Actually you are in denial mode.

yes yes

Go to youtube and watch some Funny videos and relax

Try leading prayer in an Arabic mosque as a Pakistani, jootay paray gain.

even future stories about Mehndi and Eas pbuh return , all circle around Arabs
its useless for us to even be in Islam lol ,we will remain Ajam Forever .. maybe Allah have some separate Part in Jannat for South Poor Asians hahaha

 

[Cherokee]

Ethics or morality is divine and universal religion of humanity.
Sharia is something similar to universally acceptable ethics

like help poor
Don't lie cheat or kill someone

however no one can force non muslim to follow some set of rules

Ethics or morality is not divine . Also there is no universal religion of humanity .

Also there is nothing universally accepted . Couple of points you posted are common sense. Nothing divine about that . 100 lashes for pre marital sex , 4 wifes , death for apostasy ,cutting hands for theft is also universally acceptable ethics I guess .

 

[Tiger Genie]

Reading the really well written OP, I compliment @Ammara Chaudhry 's efforts and intentions. I am not muslim and I do share the popular view that sharia is completely inapproprite for the modern world we live in; but one has to appreciate noble intent when one sees it. Whether divine or man-made all codes of behavior enshrined in laws are intended for ensuring social harmony; when such laws are made part of religions, then you end up with interpretations and mis-interpretations. That is what has happened to all the greatest of codes of law - whether Hindu or Islamic or whatever else.

I do have a question for @Ammara Chaudhry : why is it called 'way to the water'? and from the language you have quoted I can see it only applies to people in yatrib/mecca - so why and what makes muslims mis-interpret it as applicable to elsewhere?

 

[Cherokee]

If Muslims want Sharia in their own countries, then it is their right to have it within their own borders as they wish. That right must be respected, as long as there is no imposition on others.

Absolutely .

 

[Yaduveer]

There is no such thing as divine laws. Every writing is man made.Period!

 

[Neutron]

Ethics or morality is not divine . Also there is no universal religion of humanity .

Also there is nothing universally accepted . Couple of points you posted are common sense. Nothing divine about that . 100 lashes for pre marital sex , 4 wifes , death for apostasy ,cutting hands for theft is also universally acceptable ethics I guess .

You are talking about punishment for crimes.
There can be different punishment for difference crimes in different religions or regions of the world.
But it is universally accepted fact that theft is crime.
Similarly, ethics or morality is more or less similar everywhere in the world.

 

[Talwar e Pakistan]

you will get 80 lashes in Shariah for bold part ...
there is no roam or order for flexibility ..
that is why Shariah never been implement in a way it should be ..



Oh i didn't know Hazart Ayesha R.A the beloved wife of Prophet was Khawarji ? you better watch out your logic dude, you will piss off many

Your writing reflects off your negative rating; the fact that you bring up '80 lashes' tells me how much you know about Shariah law. If you have nothing sensible to talk about nor know anything about the topic - I suggest you quit polluting this thread

as a few others have pointed out here already, can we please change the title to "divine laws are more relevant for modern muslim societies.419761"

or is @Ammara Chaudhry advocating the implementation of sharia law globally and even in non muslim countries as well ?

Shariah law was never implemented on non-Muslims.

Absolutely .

Under Shariah law, religious minorities have the rights to decide their own laws; minorities were basically given autonomous powers under the Caliphates.

 

[T-72M1]

Shariah law was never implemented on non-Muslims.

look, it's a legit debate, but only as long as you're talking about muslim countries.

the title appears to advocate 'divine sharia law' for all modern society in a world where 5.5 out of 7 billion are not muslims.

 

[Talwar e Pakistan]

Ethics or morality is not divine . Also there is no universal religion of humanity .

Also there is nothing universally accepted . Couple of points you posted are common sense. Nothing divine about that . 100 lashes for pre marital sex , 4 wifes , death for apostasy ,cutting hands for theft is also universally acceptable ethics I guess .

1: Punishment for adultery is not sentenced out if they repent.

2: Polygamy was practiced due to the massive gender population imbalance due to war; soldiers would tell their closest friends to marry their wives if they were martyred in war - so the wives could have protection and some to take care of.

3: Another misconception; Islam was viewed as a political state back then - so to leave 'Islam' meant treason against the state; in the US you can get executed for treason. This rule was never enforced under Muhammad (SAW) - despite some of his followers that left Islam right in front of him.

 

[Talwar e Pakistan]

yes yes

Go to youtube and watch some Funny videos and relax



even future stories about Mehndi and Eas pbuh return , all circle around Arabs
its useless for us to even be in Islam lol ,we will remain Ajam Forever .. maybe Allah have some separate Part in Jannat for South Poor Asians hahaha

If you have nothing to contribute to this discussion than please stop polluting the thread. Muhammad (SAW) mostly criticizes the Arabs about their future and the Mehdi is not circled around Arabs. Your talking baseless shit and its annoying.

I think democracy is the best system of governance known to human civilization from beginning of this universe.
It is more closer to islamic principles of governance as compared to kingship or anything else

The Caliphs were selected by representatives of different ethnicity, tribes and religions - which is very similar to democracy.

 

[liall]

Judgmental spotted.

while you are living in USA and enjoying the freedoms of a secular society you want a Shariah law in Pakistan. If that is not hypocrisy I dont know what is.

 

[Jaanbaz]

Jannat for South Poor Asians hahaha

Well atleast the Indians have the IT jobs secured in heaven, we Pakistanis need to hope we get some other minor jobs secured.

 

[prashantazazel]

Looks like the intent of the OP is good.

However, liberals and non Muslims will neither appreciate nor accept laws based on such theological philosophies.

most of the objections would be regarding the limited freedom under such a system. Shariah laws might have been great in the old times, but the concept of morality changes with time.

( stuff like premarital sex, homosexuality, blasphemy, apostasy aren't seen as crimes anymore in the secular world.)

 

[Pakistani E]

@Ammara Chaudhry

And who will implement these rulings?

And what will you do with differences among sects? Which sect of clergy will be given the power to implement Shariah according to their own beliefs?

How will you choose the head of state? Through popular vote? Or like the Iranians only the clergy gets to choose from among themselves.

And do you understand the issues surrounding Fiqh and intrepration of different laws by different Madhabs?

Do you know each School of thought has different opinions in categories among the following as well, apart from the differing intrepratations:

Fard(obligatory), Mustahabb(recommended), Mubah(neutral), Makruh(discouraged), Haram(forbidden)?

Interested to see your response.