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Diversion of US aid - Indian propaganda exposed

I think Musharraf's being mis-quoted/mis-represented here.

There was no military strike on India in Musharraf's years as President. If the assertion is that weapons were bought for the WoT keeping India in mind, then what's wrong with that... They weren't used against India. They may be, just as the entire force fighting the TTP on the Afghan border may one day be diverted to attack India.

Even the US is confused as to what specific thing was done as diversion.
 
1) All western media are nothing but puppets of the Indian media and have no brain of their own.

Western and Indian media have a shared agenda when it comes to Pakistan.

2) Direct quotations of Musharraf don't matter. As long as the source is from Indian or Western media, it can't be taken seriously.

Words can be twisted, but I will admit that it was a stupid thing for Musharraf to say. He was talking like he was having a fireside chat with his cousin, instead of as a national figure on live TV.

I think his political future within Pakistan is over, and he threw an unnecessarily spanner in the Pak-US relationship.
 
So.. let me summarize popular opinion here -

1) All western media are nothing but puppets of the Indian media and have no brain of their own.

2) Direct quotations of Musharraf don't matter. As long as the source is from Indian or Western media, it can't be taken seriously.

Did I miss anything else?

Yes surely did miss some points

3) Indian media reports correctly only when it is against India else it is BS.
4) Zionists control the world and all media channels and every channel which gives anti pakistan news is a propaganda channel.
5) West and India is running after maligning resource rich Pakistan.
 
SOB, I just went through Musharraf' interview instead of reading it.

The guy said "The equipment is provided to our armed regiments. Today they are serving in FATA, some of them as and when needed are shifted all over Pakistan, including India"

Why are his words being twisted?
 
SOB, I just went through Musharraf' interview instead of reading it.

The guy said "The equipment is provided to our armed regiments. Today they are serving in FATA, some of them as and when needed are shifted all over Pakistan, including India"

Why are his words being twisted?
Usual Indian Media spin off and Pakistanis are so blind in Musharraf hatred that they just believe Indian Media.
 
He done it, it is good BUT, why to publicize it?

i wasn't expecting such state been publicize by him.. Bad step indeed..

Chinese incursion + this: Pak/China doesn't have a problem if game switched to show hand.
 
For those who understand urdu can hear the exact words, without the Indian spin:


"The equipment is provided to our armed regiments. Today they are serving in FATA, some of them as and when needed are shifted all over Pakistan, including against the Indian border in Punjab"

Why are his words being twisted?
 
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I know the way General (retd.) saab thinks. He would never make such a damning and compromising admission like that ---even if he wanted to undermine the current govt. (as well as his own)

it's obviously the indian media spin-masters up to their dirty tricks. It would be prudent for Musharraf to immediately release a statement, condemning indian twisting of facts.


when it comes to media, i feel sorry for indians.....they are fed garbage. And they use this garbage every time to go to Washington DC or Germany or Brazil --begging/crying to these countries to "please please pretty pretty please stop arming them!!"
 
DEFENCE.PK's opinion,

The said allegation of Musharraf's claim:

L1fxYoa_Xbw[/media] - 3/5 Musharraf interview - Frontline with Kamran Shahid - Express News TV - Sept 13, 2009

The former President said "The equipment is provided to our armed regiments. Today they are serving in FATA, some of them as and when needed are shifted all over Pakistan, including against the Indian border in Punjab"

Why are his words being twisted?

Thanks for clarifying that and posting it at the beginning of the thread Asim.

Also, this from an existing thread indicating the breakdown of the US money received from Pakistan:

The total economic assistance provided by the United States since 2001-02 and until November 2008 (the last period I have), that is, during the last seven-and-a0half years, amounted to $10,768 million. Of which $6,062 million (56.3 percent) is the reimbursement of expenditures that Pakistan has incurred against the war on terror.

Since the war on terror is being fought on daily basis the expenditures are also incurred on daily basis. At the end of the month the bill is prepared by the Joint Staff Headquarters and shared with the representatives of the US government in Islamabad. After detailed scrutiny of all the expenditures, the bill is then forwarded to the headquarters of the US Central Command and after its approval goes to the Department of Defence for payments. The payment is usually received by Pakistan after a lapse of, on average, six months. Since Pakistan borrows money from domestic sources to finance war on terror expenditure and the reimbursement is made after six months, the interest cost of the borrowing is borne by the government. The interest cost has never been part of reimbursement. Can we treat reimbursement as economic assistance? The answer is certainly no. The over 56 percent of the $10.768 billion is not economic assistance. It is the government of Pakistan’s own money which has been reimbursed.

Comments: So this is money owed to Pakistan, and therefore not aid, and money Pakistan can do whatever it wants with.


Once we take care of the reimbursement part, the remaining $4,706 billion US assistance needs to be explained. The United States has written off $1,495 million of its debt to Pakistan in 2002-03 ($1,000 million) and 2004-05 ($495 million), thus leaving $3,211 million to be explained. Pakistan has received grants from the US over the last seven-and-a-half years totalling $487 million for the purchase of wheat and soybean oil, governance, economic growth, education and health, and for earthquake relief, law enforcement and population planning. These grants ranged from $0.7 million (2002-03) to $198 million (2006-07). After grants are taken care of, the amount left to be explained is $2,724 million.

So again, this is not money in Pakistan's pocket, so cannot be misspent, all talk of money being 'fungible' aside.


When former president Pervez Musharraf visited Camp David in June 2003, then-president George Bush agreed to provide $3 billion economic assistance spreading over five years. This assistance was equally divided into economic and military assistance. In other words, Pakistan was to receive $600 million annually with $300 million as budgetary support and the remaining $300 million as military assistance. Pakistan received military assistance in cash after adjusting the purchase of any equipment from the United States. The total military assistance received by Pakistan in cash over the seven-and-a-half years (that include military assistance under Camp David) amounted to $1,514 million. If we adjust the total military assistance the remaining amount to be explained reduced to $1,210 million.

This is really the only place where one could argue 'violation of aid rules' - to illustrate that one would however have to show that all of this money was indeed given with the specific condition that equipment purchased with it could not be deployed anywhere other than FATA or some such thing.

Under the Camp David agreement Pakistan was to receive $300 million’s budgetary support per annum. Pakistan started receiving this money from 2004-05 to 2006-07 at the rate of $200 million per annum and the remaining $100 million was spent on various social-sector projects by USAID in Pakistan directly. Therefore, Pakistan received $600 million in budgetary support during three years period. During the remaining two years (2007-08 and 2008-09) the entire $300 million was spent directly by USAID on social-sector projects identified by the government. In other words, Pakistan did not receive any budgetary support directly under the Camp David agreement in the remaining two years. Altogether, Pakistan has received $1,200 million under budgetary support over the seven-and-a-half years (It received a one-time $600 million budgetary support in 2001-02–immediately after 9/11), thus leaving only $10 million to be explained. Pakistan received the small loan of $10 million in 2002-03.

This completes the total breakdown of $10.786 billion US assistance from 2001-02 to November 2008. In actual terms, Pakistan received $4706 million financial assistance from the United States during the period. If we adjust the amount of debt write off ($1495 million) the total cash that Pakistan received amounted to $3211 million over seven and a half years.

http://www.defence.pk/forums/economy-development/30821-where-did-10-billion-us-aid-pakistan-go.html
 
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The breakdown shows already there is no way any fund could have been diverted whatsoever, The Indians think that Americans are as fool as they are.

The US state department clearly says that they dont know if the matter was taken up by Indians for discussion with US or not.

On the other hand the Indian Orange media is busy in silly point scoring viz a viz China and Pakistan.

At the end US-Pakistan relations once again will be bound to interests of the two countries not what India wants.
 
U.S. aid was used on defence against India, says Musharraf

ISLAMABAD: The former President, Pervez Musharraf, has said the military aid the U.S. gave Pakistan for the war against terror during his tenure was used to strengthen defences against India.

Gen.(Retd.) Musharraf admitted that he had violated the rules governing the use of the military aid, but justified his action, saying he had “acted in the best interest of Pakistan.”

He did not want to compromise on Pakistan’s interests, he said.

In an interview to a news channel, he said he “did not care” whether the U.S. would be angered by his disclosure.

India and several influential lawmakers in the U.S. have been accusing Pakistan of having used the U.S. funds to strengthen its defences against India.

However, Pakistan has denied any wrongdoing.

Gen. (Retd.) Musharraf said that had he not supported the U.S. in the war on terror after the September, 2001 attacks, American forces could have entered Pakistan to capture its nuclear assets; it was also possible that the U.S. and India could have jointly attacked the country. — PTI


Yup, Another Flip-Flop exposed. Earlier it was claimed that US aid was "pittance" and was all "accounted for" the Gen. Musharraf. Now we know why the Aid money was never sufficient and Pakistan always wanted more.

Lets hope he also quantifies how much of the aid money has been diverted to Anti-India account, so that it can be compensated / adjusted in the next package.


Yup - another Indian media flip flop (outright distortion and lies is more like it) exposed.:rolleyes:

So now we have the warmongering hysteria and lies scapegoating Pakistani institutions after Mumbai (though the military and political leadership fed that fire so the media is not all to blame), the whole drama about a 'U-turn' over the PM's comments about what the Sri Lankan President told him, the whole pathetic 'competition' over Karachi (Orangi Town actually, but hey, the point is to make Pakistan look bad) and Dharavi (no, not Mumbai in this case, though its OK to generalize and make Orangi Town Karachi), and the list goes on and on ....
 
Hahaha...... well done pakistan.
Of course pakistan diverts military equipment against india and so what!
 
First thing is that his statement was twisted to give false meaning.
Second thing is that India started a weapon race again like nuke sub so pakistan will do anything to protect its boarder.
Third thing is Taliban is the biggest threat to Pakistan right now. But biggest threat doesn't mean that they are the biggest enemy of Pakistan. India still hold that place.
 
US military aid not misused: Musharraf

By Our Correspondent
Wednesday, 16 Sep, 2009 | 04:47 AM PST |
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Pakistan never miss-utilised US funds for strengthening its defences against India: Pervez Musharraf.—File
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US responds cautiously to Musharraf’s statement

WASHINGTON: Former president Gen (retd) Pervez Musharraf on Tuesday denied saying that while he was in power, he allowed using US military aid to Pakistan to strengthen its defences against India.

In a statement issued in Philadelphia, Mr Musharraf said the issue highlighted by some Indian leaders and media was not even raised in the interview. The former president is currently in the United States on a lecture tour.

The Indian media reported on Monday that in an interview to a Pakistani television channel, Mr Musharraf acknowledged using US military aid meant to fight the extremists to strengthen Pakistan’s defences against India.

‘No question was asked regarding US funds for fighting the militants in this interview or at any other time,’ he said. ‘I have never said Pakistan violated any agreement.’

Pakistan, he said, ‘never violated any agreement or miss-utilised US funds’ for strengthening its defences against India.

‘As far as the equipment issued to a military unit is concerned, the equipment moves wherever the unit is deployed,’ he said. ‘The US at the time was aware of what we were doing.’

DAWN.COM | Pakistan | US military aid not misused: Musharraf

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Baray Laanti log bethay huain hain border paar media may.:disagree:
 

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