Dissecting the Indian Cold Start Doctrine with Col (R) Abdul Naeem.

[SQ8]

That is pulling the punches below the dhoti. You just ruined lahori fish for me.

Fast deployment for CSD is logistical call. The holding corp with Pivot Corp deployment has not happened till date.
If there is any real CSD,The good general said "There is nothing like Cold Start. But we have a 'proactive strategy' which takes steps in a proactive manner so that we can achieve what our doctrines and strategies," . Opn Vijay Bahva was to validate deployment withing 48 hrs and it was not just IBG but the entire strike corp. Allocation of strike corp deployment is fluid and dynamic and can be closer to the concept of IBG, in sudarshan shakti, the integrated battle theater was tested out, no pivot corp formation.
But I wonder why doesn't IA give the CSD hoopla a little more fodder, it seems to drum up big responses from PA.

Tell that Fake Fish seller at some Bombay Brasserie here then. The man refused to acknowledge the lineage of the dish.

At the same time, Vijayee Bhava had well laid out logistics assets already in place to "rehearse" the exersize. The rest is still pretty much experimental and more importantly, sits without the correct resources to implement it.
The Air Force may have taken the lead in rearmament followed by the IN, but the IA is still well short of its equipment and "thinking" manpower needs to undertake cold start. It can however take solace that a similar dearth of "Thinkers" currently exists within the PA.. but the internal conflicts are changing that rapidly.. every new Lt out of Kakul and soldiers in general today gets a baptism of fire in actual combat... and that is one experience that the IA cannot provide on that scale anytime soon.

 

[nair]

Is it possible that IA trolled pakistan by just introducing this so called doctrine of CSD... what if IA floats a new hot ice cream doctrine, we will see pakistanis scurrying with azam e dus, gyaara, baara. etc.

Lol at Hot Ice cream....... Could have chose a better name by the way ..... Hot start may be?

 

[Armstrong]

when it comes to anything bigger than that.. they know that Pakistan can hurt them real bad but eventually is no match.. and they know we know...and they know that we know and will go nuclear which they dont want and they know that we know and we know that they know and its their knowing of us knowing what we know that is the reason to change all that so that we know that they know what we know and that they will no longer stand for what everybody knows for now.

That sounds surprisingly like something that Sir Humphrey Appleby would say !

I wonder whether you've watched the Yes Minister/Prime Minister at all ?

 

[SQ8]

That sounds surprisingly like something that Sir Humphrey Appleby would say !

I wonder whether you've watched the Yes Minister/Prime Minister at all ?

I am an Oracle.. that is enough for you to know.

 

[Armstrong]

I am an Oracle.. that is enough for you to know.

You're no Oracle; otherwise you'd know where the best fish in Lahore is served !

 

[SQ8]

You're no Oracle; otherwise you'd know where the best fish in Lahore is served !

Know that as well..comes from putting boots on and roaming the streets from Mochi gate all the way to Y-Block, here is something you should learn to live by my young Bhatta Paduwan..

"Know everything about something, and something about everything".

 

[Armstrong]

Know that as well..comes from putting boots on and roaming the streets from Mochi gate all the way to Y-Block, here is something you should learn to live by my young Bhatta Paduwan..

"Know everything about something, and something about everything".

I've visited the Inner City loadz of times but its not somewhere I think I'd ever be comfortable roaming about; the stench of freshly urinated walls, the sight of someone's 'paaan key pichkari' straddling half the road and the feeling of borderline claustrophobia I get every time I visit that endless maze of narrow streets, is more than enough for me to say 'No Thank You' whenever someone offers to take me to Androoon Shehr !

 

[Etilla]

Colonel is correct in general tone.

indian army is VASTLY lagging in terms of mobility, and flexibility. Most of your tanks ARE outdated..and there is no "mass production" of arjun either. Only 120 or so are inducted. JUST 120 etc.

Pakistan can mobilize its strike forces quicker than india. That's a fact too.

indian superiority of 5:1 or 6:1 is in some sectors. For example, india attacks Rahim Yar Khan belt with massive force..then it'd have the superiority of that level there. But over-all, across the spectrum, indian superiority isn't even 1:3...

Pakistan has 2 Strike Corps deployed against india.

india has 3 strike corps in total.

Even if u deploy all of them against us, you still won't have enough firepower to overwhelm us. Moreover, Pakistani Military is faster, more mobile, and much more flexible---and hence, it can out maneuver any indian attack and make india stand-still on strategic level---hence forcing the situation towards a ceasefire where nobody wins anything.

Read some books on military and military history. Seeing GFP lists and jumping up and down is futile.



There have been 6 major indian exercises focused on the concept of rapid mobilization and quick, fast, flexible attacks.

Pakistan Army isn't idiot to be "trolled' just like that. indian army might be. But not us.

Pakistan Army is an entire institution. They see whats happening in india. They calculate the situation and respond accordingly.

Keep your childish comments out.

Moreover, whether its real or not..who gives a bharti sh!t?

We improved our military capability, made it much more net-centric, introduced C4ISR across spectrum, integrated our airpower with land forces, mechanized our front-line desert forces, and made our military-machine much more war-ready, flexible, and highly mobile compared to before.

If anything, we should thanks bhartis due to which we officially moved into being a modern 21st century battle army that is focused on mobility, extreme firepower, and integration of resources.

As far as tanks go your tanks are a joke.

T-59 forms bulk of your armour and it is a substandard copy of T-54.

We have retired the more superior T-55 a couple years back.

Then you have the T-80 which is a complete failure and is mothballed by Russian army.

Then you have VT1A which China itself has refused to induct

We have 800 T-90 in service with 1200 T-90 more under production/delivery from separate lines in India and Russia.

Also we have 118 more Arjuns on order.

Rest all is your opinion

 

[SQ8]

I've visited the Inner City loadz of times but its not somewhere I think I'd ever be comfortable roaming about; the stench of freshly urinated walls, the sight of someone's 'paaan key pichkari' straddling half the road and the feeling of borderline claustrophobia I get every time I visit that endless maze of narrow streets, is more than enough for me to say 'No Thank You' whenever someone offers to take me to Androoon Shehr !

And here you talk about being the next Jinnah when you have not rubbed shoulders and felt the experience of the common man.

As far as tanks go your tanks are a joke.

T-59 forms bulk of your armour and it is a substandard copy of T-54.

We have retired the more superior T-55 a couple years back.

Then you have the T-80 which is a complete failure and is mothballed by Russian army.

Then you have VT1A which China itself has refused to induct

We have 800 T-90 in service with 1200 T-90 more under production/delivery from separate lines in India and Russia.

Also we have 118 more Arjuns on order.

Rest all is your opinion

The rather laughable one above it is yours.

 

[Armstrong]

And here you talk about being the next Jinnah when you have not rubbed shoulders and felt the experience of the common man.

I'd rather be a man 'for' the People than be a man 'of' the People - Just like Our Father !

 

[Stephen Cohen]

And here you talk about being the next Jinnah when you have not rubbed shoulders and felt the experience of the common man.



The rather laughable one above it is yours.

You and other Pakistani PDF members ALL show one consistent behaviour

It is underplaying India's CONVENTIONAL Military Strength

Whether it is by design or ignorance ; I dont know

And what is even worse is that MANY Pakistanis on PDF are from Military families

According to our information ; Pakistan Military KNOWS about India's REAL strength

But it seems that they do not like such information to be
passed on to civilians

 

[SQ8]

I'd rather be a man 'for' the People than be a man 'of' the People - Just like Our Father !

A man for the people was also by the people, first having playing in the dirt.. then having fought alongside them as a lawyer.. and only after that taking up the task to save them.
So far your call to fame is being a Bhatta, knowing how to make Tikkas.. and liking BBW women.

You and other Pakistani PDF members ALL show one consistent behaviour

It is underplaying India's CONVENTIONAL Military Strength

Whether it is by design or ignorance ; I dont know

And what is even worse is that MANY Pakistanis are from Military families

According to our information ; Pakistan Military KNOWS about India's REAL strength

But it seems that they do not like such information to be
passed on to civilians

As I said, I would refrain from responding to jingoism on either side.

 

[Bratva]

Is it possible that IA trolled pakistan by just introducing this so called doctrine of CSD... what if IA floats a new hot ice cream doctrine, we will see pakistanis scurrying with azam e dus, gyaara, baara. etc.

Nau is a double entendre. It not only means 9 but when used as a suffix like Azm e Nau, Hayat e nau,,, it's meaning changes to what roughly translates as "revitalize"

 

[Etilla]

And here you talk about being the next Jinnah when you have not rubbed shoulders and felt the experience of the common man.



The rather laughable one above it is yours.

Type 59 is a licensed copy of T-54.

Al-zarraring Type-59 does not make it any less worse

Type 69 and Type 85 are both minor upgrades.

All inferior to basic T-72.

 

[Star Wars]

And here you talk about being the next Jinnah when you have not rubbed shoulders and felt the experience of the common man.
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Isn't the common man in both our nations responsible for those experiences ?? They have the choice to not piss in the street or spit on the walls...

As for the CSD, won't the entire war depend on combined strength of all 3 forces ? Even if we suppose you have a good army won't that advantage be evened out when it comes to a superior air force ? Honest question, How long will the PAF withhold the IAF from having complete air superiority ? And how long will the PA last if the air war is lost ?