Disintegration of China because of economic collapse?

[ChineseTiger1986]

Chinese peoples are NOT grandsons of Marx / Lenin.

Of course, we are not their grandson, but borrowing some of their idea is nothing wrong.

All you folks from HK and TW are allowed to worship the Jewish-Invented Christianity, then what's wrong to borrow some idea from the Jewish-Invented Communism?

 

[Nadal]

Tch...tch....Silly canard....

India recognizes Tibet as an integral part of China. TTP/Afg-Taliban/Pakistani Islamists does not recognize Uighur or Hui as Chinese. So you folks go on and "liberate". In most Islamic shariá administered countries (including pakistan) , it is punishable by death if someone declares himself/herself to be an ÄTHEIST". So no one does....not in public anyway.

Part of the reason why Chinese citizens get murdered/abducted in Pakistan, the citadel of Islam.

Even though many Uighur don't consoder themselves as Chinese!

Most Hui consoder themselves as Chinese!

Nope, the flag is sacred, and I never stated my love for the KMT or its ideals but the PRC. There are some points I have agreed on but some I did not, and yes there is one Chinese culture it cannot be changed regardless of any political or ideological divide, China won't change its flags or ideals


As I have said any change must come from Taipei first as we are in the dominate position now.

Civil War between Kuomintang and CCP is a tragedy of China.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

Civil War between Kuomintang and CCP is a tragedy of China.

KMT was the one should be blamed, why they had made China so weak and sold the Outer Mongolia to USSR.

 

[Star Wars]

Then this is our own business, we only make the decision best for ourselves, in 1989 we did listen the suggestion from Gorbachev, now where is Russia end up now, and where is China?

You see, we don't tolerate other people to point finger at us about our domestic policy.

lol..relax... Besides Russia is not in such a bad spot these days....

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

lol..relax... Besides Russia is not in such a bad spot these days....

Thanks to the remaining huge land and the abundant natural resources.

Otherwise, they really have nothing else left.

 

[Nadal]

KMT was the one should be blamed, why they had made China so weak and sold their Outer Mongolia to USSR.

Both of CCP and KMT should be blamed!

ROC (KMT) experienced a high pressure from USA and USSR in UN, ROC has no choice and she might not stop People's Republic of Mongolia to join UN.

CCP established a diplomatic recognization with People's Republic of Mongolia.

(Actually, Outer Mongols don't think that they are Chinese. It means less sessionist sentimental from Mongols in China, at least that in Inner Mongolia - Those Mongol joined China under agreement with ROC in 1947 . Don't forget China has Xinjiang and Tibet problems now!)

The blame is applicable for Xinjiang Problem - The Second East Turkistan Republic was supported by USSR also CCP afgainst Kuomintang ROC in 1944-49. After Kuomintang ROC had collapsed, USSR cancelled support for The Second East Turkistan Republic and Xinjiang was re-incorporated to China by CCP. CCP says Second East Turkistan Republic was 三區革命 (Three Districts Revolution against Kuomintang ROC)

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

Both of CCP and KMT should be blamed!

ROC (KMT) recieved a high pressure from USA and USSR in UN, ROC has no choice and she might not stop People's Republic of Mongolia to join UN.

CCP made a diplomatic recognization with People's Republic of Mongolia.

(Actually, Outer Mongol don't think that they are Chinese. It means less sessionist sentimental from Mongol in China, at least that in Inner Mongolia - Those Mongol join China under agreement with POC in 1947 . Don't forget China has Xinjiang and Tibet problem!)

This case is applicable for Xinjiang Problem - The Second East Turkistan Republic was supported by USSR also CCP afgainst Kuomintang ROC in 1944-49. After Kuomintang ROC had collapsed, USSR cancelled support for The Second East Turkistan Republic and Xinjiang was incorporated again to China by CCP. CCP says Second East Turkistan Republic was 三區革命 (Three Districts Revolution against Kuomintang ROC)

CPC indeed caused some troubles, they have made many mistakes, but at least they are still a C+ government, whereas KMT got a huge F as the reward.

If KMT wasn't a failed government, then they wouldn't end up in Taiwan.

 

[Nadal]

CPC indeed caused some troubles, they have made many mistakes, but at least they are still a C+ government, whereas KMT got a huge F as the reward.

If KMT wasn't a failed government, then they wouldn't end up in Taiwan.

Republic of China established in a wrong timing - Collapse of non-Mordenized Qing Dynasty.

Revolution Parties have no Military force.

Yuan Shikai successfully forced Qing Emperor to retire and became the first President of Republic of China (Beiyang Government) under agreement with Revolution Parties.

Yuan Shikai has ability to control Troops. (Beiyang New Army, which had been originally faithfully to Qing Dynasty, but actually it was a private Military force of Yuan Shikai.) But he was more ambitous - wished to be the King of China.

After Yuan had died in 1916, warlordism was inevitable!

 

[Kolaps]

This post is not about the ideology, it is about how to make the unification.

The unification will remain under the name of "People's Republic of China", and CPC will still rule as the supreme.

Go to ask any Taiwanese senior members here like Martin, since they all believe that CPC should rule China for at least another 50 years under the name of Communism.

It's true that China today, mainly is already in the right path. But political reform is still needed to make it more efficient and effective. I think this is general knowledge.

I don't have a problem with the name of People's Republic of China. But we need to change the name of CPC or even remove it, since China is one party rule, there's no different between one party and no party at all. Foreigner can misunderstand and use the concept of "political party" to launch propaganda, like one party dictatorship, monopoly, etc. It just bring a lot of confusion.

China will still be an open country. Student will learn Confucianism and many Chinese philosophies as the core. And still welcoming foreign idea like the concept of democracy, liberalism, communism, marxism, etc but as complement, to strengthen and perfecting the core.

 

[Kolaps]

KMT was the one should be blamed, why they had made China so weak and sold the Outer Mongolia to USSR.

That condition that lead into the birth of CCP. Mao Zedong did a great deed by uniting all China, restore order, stability and expel imperialism. Fulfilling all Chinese dream at the time, except he is a communist, another new problem!

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

Republic of China established in a wrong timing - Collapse of non-Mordenized Qing Dynasty.

Revolution Parties have no Military force.

Yuan Shikai successfully forced Qing Emperor to retire and became the first President of Republic of China (Beiyang Government) under agreement with Revolution Parties.

Yuan Shikai has ability to control Troops. (Beiyang New Army, which had been originally faithfully to Qing Dynasty, but actually it was a private Military force of Yuan Shikai.) But he was more ambitous - wished to be the King of China.

After Yuan had died in 1916, warlordism was inevitable!

The Beiyang government could have done a bit of work for China, but the West wanted to see China always suffering from the politic chaos, that's why KMT was created to destabilize the Beiyang government.

It's true that China today, mainly is already in the right path. But political reform is still needed to make it more efficient and effective. I think this is general knowledge.

I don't have a problem with the name of People's Republic of China. But we need to change the name of CPC or even remove it, since China is one party rule, there's no different between one party and no party at all. Foreigner can misunderstand and use the concept of "political party" to launch propaganda, like one party dictatorship, monopoly, etc. It just bring a lot of confusion.

China will still be an open country. Student will learn Confucianism and many Chinese philosophies as the core. And still welcoming foreign idea like the concept of democracy, liberalism, communism, marxism, etc but as complement, to strengthen and perfecting the core.

CPC never forgets their Chinese root, they made mistakes during the cultural revolution, but they have redeemed it.

Today, they are promoting the Chinese culture more than anyone.

The Communism is not as evil as some people thought to be, it is a western idea, when it is suitable for our country, we are not narrow-minded to reject because it has the western origin.

China adopted the Communism, but it doesn't that China should become the vassal state of USSR.

You know what happened when the nationalism had prevailed among Mao and his CPC comarades.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino-Soviet_split

 

[Sasquatch]

It's time to hold a big meeting in Beijing, invite representatives from Taiwan, HK and overseas Chinese around the world. Even Japan, both Korea and Mongolia. To talk about the future of China, to restore Confucianism. You are the big brother here, you should take the lead.

Most of Taiwanese already done his duty, to vote pro-China KMT during the election. Many of them back to Taiwan during election day, to make sure KMT won. To keep the friendship and peace between mainland China and Taiwan, to united all Chinese. But you know, enthusiasm will not last forever, it can became a disappointment that hard to be cured.

You should pressure the DPP to drop Independence and Accept One China, I could care less how long it takes unifying in 2020 or 2050 like HK as long as the DPP renounces Independence.

Might I remind the DPP is the biggest problem trying to block all cooperation with China, The most important thing for Taipei is to work with China to fulfill Dr. Suns dream

 

[Nadal]

Beiyang Government was organized by Beiyang Warloads, which split mainly into 3 groups (Zhili 直系, Fengtian 奉系, Anhui 皖&#31995 after Yuan Shikai died in 1916.


Zhili clique 直系 - Generals mainly from Hebei (River North) Province, sponsored by USA and Britain.
Fengtian clique 奉系 - Generals mainly from Liaoning Province, sponsored by Japan.
Anhui clique 皖系 - Generals mainly from Anhui, sponsored by Japan.

Yuan Shikai and Beiyang Government violated the Constitution of ROC, which was Yuan Shikai's agreement with Revolution Parties before Xinhai Revolution. Kuomintang (a successor of one main Revolution Parties - Tongmenghui) needed to develop her military power in Guangzhou. So, KMT cooperated with USSR and established Whampoa Military Academy. And then implement Nationalist Revolution against Warloads.

 

[LiberalAtheist]

As long as there is a demand for cheap produced goods in the western markets China's economy will be like a balloon that's getting a limitless supply of helium.

 

[Kolaps]

You should pressure the DPP to drop Independence and Accept One China, I could care less how long it takes unifying in 2020 or 2050 like HK as long as the DPP renounces Independence.

Might I remind the DPP is the biggest problem trying to block all cooperation with China, The most important thing for Taipei is to work with China to fulfill Dr. Suns dream

Taiwan's DPP eyes better China ties
Taiwan's DPP eyes better China ties - Yahoo! News Singapore

SEF chairman supports DPP-China ties
SEF chairman supports DPP-China ties - Taipei Times

Breakthrough in ties between DPP and Beijing
Breakthrough in ties between DPP and Beijing | South China Morning Post

Beside......almost all DPP top members doing business in mainland China. I will create a separate thread about China-Taiwan relationship.