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Enough with the same nonsense.

India becoming less tolerant...
India not safe for minorities...
India a threat to regional peace...

The West: great, let's sell billions in weapons to them and support them against China, the main global threat to our system.

Pakistan: complaining and moaning, yet not weaponizing a single one of these apparently massive minority grievances against the BJP/Indian state into a working insurgency/armed rebellion/PTM-style "rights movement."

Pathetic. Kaan pakk gaey hein hearing the same complaints over and over and over again.

@Bleek @Pak Nationalist @SQ8
 
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See the video than comment
Enough with the same nonsense.

India becoming less tolerant...
India not safe for minorities...
India a threat to regional peace...

The West: great, let's sell billions in weapons to them and support them against China, the main global threat to our system.

Pakistan: complaining and moaning, yet not weaponizing a single one of these apparently massive minority grievances against the BJP/Indian state into a working insurgency/armed rebellion/PTM-style "rights movement."

Pathetic. Kaan pakk gaey hein hearing the same complaints over and over and over again.

@Bleek @Pak Nationalist @SQ8
 
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Enough with the same nonsense.

India becoming less tolerant...
India not safe for minorities...
India a threat to regional peace...

The West: great, let's sell billions in weapons to them and support them against China, the main global threat to our system.
Weapons are sold to enemies. And trust me on that.
 
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Indian Muslims should form another All India Muslim League.

Usually Indian Muslims vote for the Indian National Congress.
This is what I have heard.

Who in their right mind would vote for BJP.
 
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Did. How does it negate my point? The proof is in the pudding.


Sure, let's roll with that --- how does it relate to what I'm saying?
See the thing is, the West is more enemy of India than Pakistan. The only reason why India is safe until now is India being so sissy in international matters and India is not crossing her lines. Once China is undermined, the first country that will be broken into bits and pieces will be India. And frankly, India is the reason why Pakistan is still there, because the west needs a country that is always ready to teach India a lesson and also readily available.
So basically they will milk India before that point as much as possible.
 
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Enough with the same nonsense.

India becoming less tolerant...
India not safe for minorities...
India a threat to regional peace...

The West: great, let's sell billions in weapons to them and support them against China, the main global threat to our system.

Pakistan: complaining and moaning, yet not weaponizing a single one of these apparently massive minority grievances against the BJP/Indian state into a working insurgency/armed rebellion/PTM-style "rights movement."

Pathetic. Kaan pakk gaey hein hearing the same complaints over and over and over again.

@Bleek @Pak Nationalist @SQ8
The generals have no stomach for open conflict anymore. They are content with having the ill-equipped soldiers fight (and die, in droves) ragtag militants sporting AK-47s (now also snipers with thermal scopes). Beyond criminal to not have weaponized the angst of the Indian Muslim. Opportunities to destabilize India have never been so plentiful, and the will on this side to do so never so lacking. All points to the weakness of the leaders this country has today (both political and military). The unfortunate thing on the political front is that the policy of unending appeasement of India has never ceased there and it never would. One wonders whether the military is capable of breeding generals who took the initiative once anymore or not.
 
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Enough with the same nonsense.

India becoming less tolerant...
India not safe for minorities...
India a threat to regional peace...

The West: great, let's sell billions in weapons to them and support them against China, the main global threat to our system.

Pakistan: complaining and moaning, yet not weaponizing a single one of these apparently massive minority grievances against the BJP/Indian state into a working insurgency/armed rebellion/PTM-style "rights movement."

Pathetic. Kaan pakk gaey hein hearing the same complaints over and over and over again.

@Bleek @Pak Nationalist @SQ8
For that you need a ball of steels and to be fair Current leadership is missing those.
 
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India has turned Muslims into a 'persecuted minority': Noam Chomsky

APPPublished February 12, 2022 - Updated a day ago









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A file photo of world-renowned scholar, author and activist Noam Chomsky. — APP

Renowned scholar Professor Noam Chomsky on Thursday said that Islamophobia has taken a “most lethal form” in India, turning some 250 million Indian Muslims into a “persecuted minority”.
“The pathology of Islamophobia is growing throughout the West — it is taking its most lethal form in India,” the famed author and activist, who is also Professor Emeritus at Massachusetts Institute of Technology, said in a video message to a webinar organised by the Indian American Muslim Council, a Washington-based advocacy organisation.
Apart from Chomsky, several other academics and activists took part in the webinar on “Worsening Hate Speech and Violence in India”.
Chomsky also said that Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi’s right-wing Hindu nationalist regime has sharply escalated the “crimes” in Indian-occupied Kashmir (IoK).

“The crimes in Kashmir have a long history,” he said, adding that the state was now a “brutally occupied territory and its military control in some ways is similar to occupied Palestine”.
The situation in South Asia, Chomsky said, was painful in particular not because of what was happening but because of what was not happening. There was, however, hope and opportunities to solve South Asian torment but not for long, he added.
Annapurna Menon, an Indian author and lecturer at the University of Westminster, urged the international community to focus on the status of press freedom in India as, under the Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) government, the situation has become a cause of concern.
“The situation on [the] ground is extremely alarming as four journalists have already been killed in 2022, simply for doing their job,” Menon said, adding journalists, especially women, have been exposed to all kinds of reprisals including harassment, illegal detention, police violence and sedition charges.

“The situation in IoK is even dire, where the journalists routinely face police questioning, ban on reporting, suspension of internet services and financial constraints in line with BJP’s recent ‘media policy’. The family of award-winning Srinagar-based photojournalist Masrat Zahra was subjected to harassment and intimidation by the Indian Police as a crackdown on the press in IoK continues to escalate," she said.
Fahad Shah, a renowned Kashmiri journalist who is the founder and editor of ‘‘The Kashmir Walla’’, was arrested recently by the police in Pulwama under terrorism and sedition laws, Menon pointed out. Similarly, Sajad Gul, another journalist of ‘‘The Kashmir Walla’’, was also arrested at the beginning of February 2022.
John Sifton, Asia Advocacy Director at Human Rights Watch (HRW), said the greatest threat to the Indian constitution was the promotion of majority religion by the Indian government at the expense of minorities.
“BJP and its affiliates are making hateful remarks against Muslims to gain Hindu vote around elections,” he said.

The BJP government had adopted laws and policies that systematically discriminate against religious minorities and other groups and it also stigmatises its critics, the HRW official said. He added the government enacted the ‘Citizenship Act’ to target the minorities, particularly Indian Muslims.
Social media platforms such as Facebook, YouTube and Tiktok, Sifton said, had failed to control hatred spread through their platforms.
The US Congress, he said, must weigh on the Indian government to convey their concerns vis-a-vis the violation of human and minority rights in India.
Angana Chatterji, an Indian anthropologist and scholar at Berkeley University, California, said prejudices embedded in the government of the ruling Hindu nationalist BJP had infiltrated independent institutions, such as the police and the courts, empowering nationalist groups to threaten, harass and attack religious minorities with impunity.
“Hindu spiritual leaders are involved in [the] ethnic cleansing of Muslims,” she said, adding BJP leaders and affiliated groups have long portrayed minority communities, especially Muslims, as a threat to national security and to the Hindu way of life. They had raised the bogey of “love jihad” claiming that Muslim men lure Hindu women into marriages to convert them to Islam, labelled Muslim immigrants as extremists and accused them of hurting Hindu sentiment over cow slaughter.
Since Yogi Adityanath became Chief Minister of Uttar Pradesh (UP) in 2017, Chatterji said the culture of violence and impunity had taken root, pointing out that UP police had carried out hundreds of extra-judicial killings of suspected criminals belonging to minorities, particularly Muslims.
By the time protests against the Citizenship Amendment Bill spilt out on the streets of UP in December 2019, the police manhandled protesters, behaved in a vulgar manner with women, arrested whomsoever it wanted and framed prominent activists in criminal cases, she said.
As hundreds of thousands of farmers of various faiths began protesting against the government’s new farm laws in November 2020, senior BJP leaders, their supporters on social media, and pro-government media blamed the Sikhs as ‘Khalistani terrorists’, Chatterji said.
February 23, 2022, marks the two year anniversary of the communal violence in Delhi that killed 53 people, 40 of them Muslim.
Harsh Mander, a former Indian civil servant and human rights activist, said that while Mahatma Gandhi upheld the principles of non-violence, the Hindu supremacist ideology was currently being propagated by Indian leaders.
“Hate crimes have increased by a thousandfold during [the] BJP regime,” he said. BJP stigmatises and openly incites crimes against minorities, even Mother Teresa had been vilified, he added.
Muslims, Mander said, were falsely projected as bigots, unpatriotic, Jihadis and oppressors, adding that even Modi followed some of the hate mongers and refused to denounce them.
IoK, he said, was the most militarised region of the world.
 
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India has turned Muslims into a 'persecuted minority': Noam Chomsky

APPPublished February 12, 2022 - Updated a day ago









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A file photo of world-renowned scholar, author and activist Noam Chomsky. — APP

Renowned scholar Professor Noam Chomsky on Thursday said that Islamophobia has taken a “most lethal form” in India, turning some 250 million Indian Muslims into a “persecuted minority”.
“The pathology of Islamophobia is growing throughout the West — it is taking its most lethal form in India,” the famed author and activist, who is also Professor Emeritus at Massachusetts Institute of Technology, said in a video message to a webinar organised by the Indian American Muslim Council, a Washington-based advocacy organisation.
Apart from Chomsky, several other academics and activists took part in the webinar on “Worsening Hate Speech and Violence in India”.
Chomsky also said that Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi’s right-wing Hindu nationalist regime has sharply escalated the “crimes” in Indian-occupied Kashmir (IoK).

“The crimes in Kashmir have a long history,” he said, adding that the state was now a “brutally occupied territory and its military control in some ways is similar to occupied Palestine”.
The situation in South Asia, Chomsky said, was painful in particular not because of what was happening but because of what was not happening. There was, however, hope and opportunities to solve South Asian torment but not for long, he added.
Annapurna Menon, an Indian author and lecturer at the University of Westminster, urged the international community to focus on the status of press freedom in India as, under the Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) government, the situation has become a cause of concern.
“The situation on [the] ground is extremely alarming as four journalists have already been killed in 2022, simply for doing their job,” Menon said, adding journalists, especially women, have been exposed to all kinds of reprisals including harassment, illegal detention, police violence and sedition charges.

“The situation in IoK is even dire, where the journalists routinely face police questioning, ban on reporting, suspension of internet services and financial constraints in line with BJP’s recent ‘media policy’. The family of award-winning Srinagar-based photojournalist Masrat Zahra was subjected to harassment and intimidation by the Indian Police as a crackdown on the press in IoK continues to escalate," she said.
Fahad Shah, a renowned Kashmiri journalist who is the founder and editor of ‘‘The Kashmir Walla’’, was arrested recently by the police in Pulwama under terrorism and sedition laws, Menon pointed out. Similarly, Sajad Gul, another journalist of ‘‘The Kashmir Walla’’, was also arrested at the beginning of February 2022.
John Sifton, Asia Advocacy Director at Human Rights Watch (HRW), said the greatest threat to the Indian constitution was the promotion of majority religion by the Indian government at the expense of minorities.
“BJP and its affiliates are making hateful remarks against Muslims to gain Hindu vote around elections,” he said.

The BJP government had adopted laws and policies that systematically discriminate against religious minorities and other groups and it also stigmatises its critics, the HRW official said. He added the government enacted the ‘Citizenship Act’ to target the minorities, particularly Indian Muslims.
Social media platforms such as Facebook, YouTube and Tiktok, Sifton said, had failed to control hatred spread through their platforms.
The US Congress, he said, must weigh on the Indian government to convey their concerns vis-a-vis the violation of human and minority rights in India.
Angana Chatterji, an Indian anthropologist and scholar at Berkeley University, California, said prejudices embedded in the government of the ruling Hindu nationalist BJP had infiltrated independent institutions, such as the police and the courts, empowering nationalist groups to threaten, harass and attack religious minorities with impunity.
“Hindu spiritual leaders are involved in [the] ethnic cleansing of Muslims,” she said, adding BJP leaders and affiliated groups have long portrayed minority communities, especially Muslims, as a threat to national security and to the Hindu way of life. They had raised the bogey of “love jihad” claiming that Muslim men lure Hindu women into marriages to convert them to Islam, labelled Muslim immigrants as extremists and accused them of hurting Hindu sentiment over cow slaughter.
Since Yogi Adityanath became Chief Minister of Uttar Pradesh (UP) in 2017, Chatterji said the culture of violence and impunity had taken root, pointing out that UP police had carried out hundreds of extra-judicial killings of suspected criminals belonging to minorities, particularly Muslims.
By the time protests against the Citizenship Amendment Bill spilt out on the streets of UP in December 2019, the police manhandled protesters, behaved in a vulgar manner with women, arrested whomsoever it wanted and framed prominent activists in criminal cases, she said.
As hundreds of thousands of farmers of various faiths began protesting against the government’s new farm laws in November 2020, senior BJP leaders, their supporters on social media, and pro-government media blamed the Sikhs as ‘Khalistani terrorists’, Chatterji said.
February 23, 2022, marks the two year anniversary of the communal violence in Delhi that killed 53 people, 40 of them Muslim.
Harsh Mander, a former Indian civil servant and human rights activist, said that while Mahatma Gandhi upheld the principles of non-violence, the Hindu supremacist ideology was currently being propagated by Indian leaders.
“Hate crimes have increased by a thousandfold during [the] BJP regime,” he said. BJP stigmatises and openly incites crimes against minorities, even Mother Teresa had been vilified, he added.
Muslims, Mander said, were falsely projected as bigots, unpatriotic, Jihadis and oppressors, adding that even Modi followed some of the hate mongers and refused to denounce them.
IoK, he said, was the most militarised region of the world.
Nom chomsky should mind its own business , white killing blacks , racism is on peak in US , ary mian yeh hamara desh ha BJP ko mar lainy do humain , jub humain koi masla nhi to chomsky tumain kia malsa ha ? Mat sharam dilwao hum besharmon ko :Asad awaisi :lol:
 
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Nom chomsky should mind its own business , white killing blacks , racism is on peak in US , ary mian yeh hamara desh ha BJP ko mar lainy do humain , jub humain koi masla nhi to chomsky tumain kia malsa ha ? Mat sharam dilwao hum besharmon ko :Asad awaisi :lol:

He is about to kick the bucket. But anyone can talk about anything in a free world.
 
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For that you need a ball of steels and to be fair Current leadership is missing those.
Case in point, since Poonch nothing spectacular has taken place, meanwhile, our "good day" now is one where only a couple of soldier's children have been martyred, parents left without the support of young sons in old age, and wives widowed.
 
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Case in point that since Poonch nothing spectacular has taken place, meanwhile, our "good day" now is one where a couple of soldier's children have been martyred, the old parent left without the support of young sons, and wives widowed.
As I said it before we can do that many a times but the senior leadership is not interested. Even after the 2019 incident we did many attacks on Indian posts and inflicted heavy damage to India Army and BSF. Maybe the Chief's visits to USA is also related to this. Since India is not stopping we might be forced to restart the Ops inside the Mainland Kashmir.
 
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As I said it before we can do that many a times but the senior leadership is not interested. Even after the 2019 incident we did many attacks on Indian posts and inflicted heavy damage to India Army and BSF. Maybe the Chief's visits to USA is also related to this. Since India is not stopping we might be forced to restart the Ops inside the Mainland Kashmir.
I am your avid follower on Twitter and know full well that we possess that capability of hitting the foe at will, as I was disagreeing with @R Wing the other day. The problem is that will is found wanting for some reason today. It is anyone's guess what the reason for that is. Is it the hope to get near Uncle Sam who now wants hands-off India so it could concentrate on the Chinese? If that is the case, what about Pakistani interests that India is undermining under this protective umbrella? Is the cost of this hope in the hearts of Pakistani elites of getting closer to the W camp once more not too steep? As for COAS's visit to the US, I suspect it has to do with the signal US gave to Pakistan on the eve of PM's visit to China calling it an important strategic partner. We were looking for an opening and feel like one foot is in the door now, hence the visit to improve things. I do not think Gen. Bajwa is made of the stuff that would have him stand up in this way. Also, we could not even tacitly admit to our potential of fomenting instability on territories controlled by the Indians in official engagements. FATF et al.
 
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