Disclosing Kargil casualties would affect morale of troops: CIC

[Gentelman]

Kargil war was a total disaster, claims Gen Majeed Malik - thenews.com.pk

Maj Majeed has nothing to do in Kargil game so presenting his opinion as a report is unfair...
Maj Aziz and Musharraf were key people....

 

[naseem shah]

Yet , former pakistani military commanders in recent interviews quoted 1000 + casuality figures.




Yet pakistani military commanders , intelligence officials and political leaders including former PM's were quoting these imaginary soldiers.



And please don't be a hypocrite and ever quote Indian media again.



Tell that to the Rawalpindi GHQ .

apni baat karo

 

[kurup]

apni baat karo

tumhare baath bolne se sharam aathe he kya ???

 

[Puchtoon]

They should be ,look at pakistan they cleared all the doubts about their kargil casualties which were very very low .

 

[ares]

real figure disclose karo drama mat karo

So says a Pakistani

Forget about other institutions..even your army is not consistent with when it comes to declaring Kargil war casualties.

First it claims 350.
For first time, Pak admits its Kargil dead, uploads list of 350 'martyrs' | Siasat

then 453
Pak Army quietly names 453 soldiers killed in Kargil War : Neighbours, News - India Today

then the list grows to 473 soldiers

https://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc...tb2pZd3BvSEdXNkE&hl=en&authkey=CLrg5u8F#gid=0

You commander in chief comes out with a magical figure of 270 casualties

"Musharraf justified Pakistani casualties in the conflict, claiming the country lost only 270 soldiers against India’s 1,600 men "

Musharraf claims Kargil was a big success militarily for Pak Lastupdate:- Fri, 1 Feb 2013 18:30:00 GMT GreaterKashmir.com

Your prime minister multiplies Musharraf's figure with 10 and presents his own figures.

Pak lost 2,700 troops during Kargil conflict: Nawaz Sharif :: DNA

then he revises his figure to 4000.

The Hindu : Over 4,000 soldiers killed in Kargil: Sharif


You guys are a Joke when it comes to accountability of Kargil fiasco ..so better not get cocky !!

 

[Foo_Fighter]

Aaj Kargil yahi hoga lagta hai

 

[Puchtoon]

real figure disclose karo drama mat karo

seems that...you have a problem in reading

 

[naseem shah]

seems that...you have a problem in reading

no seems that you have a Mental block that is why you cant understand

So says a Pakistani

Forget about other institutions..even your army is not consistent with when it comes to declaring Kargil war casualties.

First it claims 350.
For first time, Pak admits its Kargil dead, uploads list of 350 'martyrs' | Siasat

then 453
Pak Army quietly names 453 soldiers killed in Kargil War : Neighbours, News - India Today

then the list grows to 473 soldiers

https://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc...tb2pZd3BvSEdXNkE&hl=en&authkey=CLrg5u8F#gid=0

You commander in chief comes out with a magical figure of 270 casualties

"Musharraf justified Pakistani casualties in the conflict, claiming the country lost only 270 soldiers against India’s 1,600 men "

Musharraf claims Kargil was a big success militarily for Pak Lastupdate:- Fri, 1 Feb 2013 18:30:00 GMT GreaterKashmir.com

Your prime minister multiplies Musharraf's figure with 10 and presents his own figures.

Pak lost 2,700 troops during Kargil conflict: Nawaz Sharif :: DNA

then he revises his figure to 4000.

The Hindu : Over 4,000 soldiers killed in Kargil: Sharif


You guys are a Joke when it comes to accountability of Kargil fiasco ..so better not get cocky !!

apni khamio par parda panai kai liyai hamara sahara mat lo apni baat karo
Nawaz sharif ko kuch nahi pata tha kargil war ka

 

[Puchtoon]

no seems that you have a Mental block that is why you cant understand

No thanks I've been not brainwashed ,it can be clearly seen that the Point he raised was correct.

Can you tell me "exactly" HOW he was wrong?

 

[ExtraOdinary]

kargil threads have become boring and repetitive

 

[naseem shah]

No thanks I've been not brainwashed ,it can be clearly seen that the Point he raised was correct.

Can you tell me "exactly" HOW he was wrong?

if we did it you did the same and here we are talking about your IA

 

[Puchtoon]

if we did it you did the same and here we are talking about your IA

I'm taking about his point that CIC is talking about RTI inquiries.

 

[ares]

no seems that you have a Mental block that is why you cant understand



apni khamio par parda panai kai liyai hamara sahara mat lo apni baat karo
Nawaz sharif ko kuch nahi pata tha kargil war ka

You should to read the article before commenting ..Indian casualty in kargil have long been in public domain...
The entire 'RTI' incident was a debate on the 'principal' involved in declaring war time casualty figures in public.

New Delhi: The disclosure of information related to casualties suffered by Army during Kargil war and number of militants killed cannot be made public as it would “affect morale of nation”, India’s Central Information Commission has held in an order 14 years after the war. Ironically, most of the details which Information Commissioner ML Sharma allowed the Army to withhold are already in public domain through the official website of the Press Information Bureau, a government of India department.

A feature given on the PIB website on “Operation Vijay” says that 527 soldiers and airmen laid down their lives during the Kargil war.

The curious decision of Sharma came on the plea of RTI applicant Om Prakash Kashiram who sought to know from the Army the number of militants and the Indian soldiers killed in the Kargil War and the matters related therewith.

The information which was sought last year in May was denied by army citing section 8(1)(a) of the RTI Act which allows withholding of information, disclosure of which would prejudicially affect the sovereignty and integrity of India, the security, strategic, scientific or economic interests of the State, relation with foreign State or lead to incitement of an offence.

Kashiram then preferred an appeal before the CIC contesting the claims of Army.

When the matter reached Sharma, he agreed with the views taken by Army and allowed withholding information.

“War related casualties cannot be placed in public domain without a reasonable distance of time as they affect the morale of the nation in general and that of the troops in particular. Disclosure of such information has a bearing on the national security,” Sharma held in his order which was given nearly 14 years of the war.

 

[illusion8]

Kargil was a intelligence fiasco for the IA - they could not detect Pak soldiers and let them take 140 peaks for months, secondly IA had to fight a war in its own territory to regain its own area - so of course it's demoralizing as for the casualties they are as per listed in the IA website.

 

[OrionHunter]

These bed time stories are a conspiracy by ISI to fool you Indians if you already aren't.

Your humor is simply mind blowing!!

But even better is what Mush said - that one whole IA corps couldn't dislodge one company (about 100) worth of NLI troops in Kargil for over a month!!

OMG!! Is it the climate there that's affecting people to spew nonsensical tripe?