Disclosing Kargil casualties would affect morale of troops: CIC

[Storm Force]

why bringing this up again put into bed

MUSHY TRIED FOR PAK TO GET KARGIL; then turned coward and ran back when the going got tough and USA put pressure

even china turned their back on pakistan

AS FOR DEATHS on both sides wil neva know the real truth

EXCEPT INDIA HAD AN AIRFORCE SUPPORTING THEIR ARMY AND PAF stayed away

 

[Secur]

So , if according to Indians , the list was disclosed , why is there a need to disclose it again or it just wasn't complete ?

 

[W.11]

the most pathetic part of kargil was indians trying to profit from the coffins scam

very shameful to say the least

 

[GR!FF!N]

So , if according to Indians , the list was disclosed , why is there a need to disclose it again or it just wasn't complete ?

@all pakistani members...

total number of casualties are already disclosed.but in that case,demand was to disclose casualties with all the information regarding the situation.Indian govt said it can't disclose all the details as it is classified..info related to kargil is matter of national security,as it will reveal plans and info related to indian war doctrines..

the most pathetic part of kargil was indians trying to profit from the coffins scam

very shameful to say the least

and most shameful thing is that pakistan never brought to justice those perpetrators for whom thousands of soldiers died for nothing,let alone declaring total no of casualties.. better start to correct your own mistake before making comment on others..

 

[newdelhinsa]

This article is testimony of the fact that Pakistan was indeed highly successful during the Kargil war. If true casualties are being hidden by India it actually means Pakistan achieved much of its objectives in the war and suceeded in greatly weakening India. Our only mistake was not supporting the lashkaris that had captured peaks from India. Men died fighting in there. We Pakistanis salute them.

Weakening India because they had more causalities ?

You are ranting on a defense forum, Idiot. There are many military professionals visiting here who will be laughing at you.

India can raise a brigade in days again, like you did NLI which was annihilated during Kargil war.
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Its good standard reasoning because army is immune from RTI. It would have set a precedence for many traitors and sleeper cell operatives seeking information from army.

 

[kurup]

Pakistanis don't claim they win the war.

The score of them and their former military chief cum president don't think so.

They believe it ended with no clear victor.

I am sure , they also think so about 71.

No vijay diwas is celeberated right under point 5353 in my country.

No country does so when the objective was to capture enemy territory while all you could accomplish was capturing no man's land .......

 

[kurup]

its mean indian suffer so many casualties they cannot even tell the number...

Pakistan gives death toll of 453 soldiers.

According to numbers stated by Nawaz Sharif there were over 4,000 fatalities. His PML (N) party in its "white paper" on the war mentioned that more than 3,000 Mujahideens, officers and soldiers were killed.

Another major Pakistani political party, the Pakistan Peoples Party, also says that "thousands" of soldiers and irregulars died.

Musharraf, in his Hindi version of his memoirs, titled "Agnipath", differs from all the estimates stating that 357 troops were killed with a further 665 wounded.

Casuality is more than 400 according to Pakistan army's website.


Looks like it is you guys who cannot stick with a number .........

 

[Gentelman]

Even gen.Aziz kicked Mushy's ***.

well atleast he spoke truth rather than following your examples and Aziz did somethings in his book not officially for publicity stunt and making his book a success .....

 

[EzioAltaïr]

its mean indian suffer so many casualties they cannot even tell the number...

Funny, because ever since 1999, I've heard only one or two casualty estimates, rangin between 500 and 600. On the other hand, Pakistan has tried nearly every number between 200 and 4000.

well atleast he spoke truth rather than following your examples and Aziz did somethings in his book not officially for publicity stunt and making his book a success .....

Oh really? And what does that have anything to do with making Musharraf less guilty of underplaying the casualties of his grand operation?

 

[Star Wars]

again..we are back to talking Kargil because a member decided to post something in some corner of the Internet followed by the usuall cheerleaders ...

 

[Gentelman]

Pakistan gives death toll of 453 soldiers.

According to numbers stated by Nawaz Sharif there were over 4,000 fatalities. His PML (N) party in its "white paper" on the war mentioned that more than 3,000 Mujahideens, officers and soldiers were killed.

Another major Pakistani political party, the Pakistan Peoples Party, also says that "thousands" of soldiers and irregulars died.

Musharraf, in his Hindi version of his memoirs, titled "Agnipath", differs from all the estimates stating that 357 troops were killed with a further 665 wounded.

Casuality is more than 400 according to Pakistan army's website.


Looks like it is you guys who cannot stick with a number .........

Bro casulities can't cross 2000 if even we suppose the worst situation coz the suits imported for all these operations were b/w 1500-2000......
and these suits are used till now so these reports are just 100% based on lies....
and just NLI was involved in Kargil you can check their numbers in 1999 they were not even part of Army that time...
soo casualties are supposed to be 400+ NLI personels + Mujahidins.......
soo all combined casualties by combination of facts are not more than 850 and not less than 550...

Funny, because ever since 1999, I've heard only one or two casualty estimates, rangin between 500 and 600. On the other hand, Pakistan has tried nearly every number between 200 and 4000.



Oh really? And what does that have anything to do with making Musharraf less guilty of underplaying the casualties of his grand operation?

well MUSH this operation was failure and the fact is it was rejected 2 times by Benazir Bhutto when he tried for it's approval and India has all intelligence of this operation...
but casualties as I said were not more than 850 NLI+Mujahidins..
Army website just shows casualties of NLI personnels are they too became part of Army regular units After Kargil operation...

 

[EzioAltaïr]

Bro casulities can't cross 2000 if even we suppose the worst situation coz the suits imported for all these operations were b/w 1500-2000......
and these suits are used till now so these reports are just 100% based on lies....
and just NLI was involved in Kargil you can check their numbers in 1999 they were not even part of Army that time...
soo casualties are supposed to be 400+ NLI personels + Mujahidins.......
soo all combined casualties by combination of facts are not more than 850 and not less than 550...

Northern Light Infantry - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The regiment's soldiers are drawn from small tribes in mountainous areas and are less prone to altitude sickness and cold temperatures that characterize mountain warfare. The unit was therefore chosen to fight against Indian forces in the 1999 Kargil War, which took place in the mountains of Kashmir. Small NLI infantry units slipped past Indian forces at the Line of Control and seized strategically important high points from which they later attacked the Indians. At that time the NLI was a 14-battalion-strong force. Three more battalions -- the 15, 16 and 17 NLI -- were being raised. Of these, the 3, 4, 5 and 7 battalions took part in the intrusion across the Batalik-Chorbatla-Turtuk sectors. Elements of the 12 NLI occupied Tiger Hill and the Mushkoh Valley while the 6 and 11 NLI were spread across the Drass-Tololing-Kaksar sectors.

It had 14 battalions. Now I don't know the average battalion size in Pakistan, but it's somewhere between 300 and 1200. So that amounts to 4,200-16,800 soldiers.

From the bolded parts, at least 7 took part in the battle, roughly half the force, or between 2,100 and 8,400 soldiers. So how is it not possible to have a casualty figure somewhere between the two numbers?

 

[NALANDA]

Even though the information is in public domain as far ar Kargil War Casualities are concerned, any request via CIC can not be entertained and should be sumarily rejected for the simple reason that it will create a wrong precedent.

 

[kurup]

Bro casulities can't cross 2000 if even we suppose the worst situation coz the suits imported for all these operations were b/w 1500-2000......
and these suits are used till now so these reports are just 100% based on lies....
and just NLI was involved in Kargil you can check their numbers in 1999 they were not even part of Army that time...
soo casualties are supposed to be 400+ NLI personels + Mujahidins.......
soo all combined casualties by combination of facts are not more than 850 and not less than 550...

All of these casuality figures are from various sources inside pakistan .........

IIRC , Indian official claim was 700 pakistani casuality .

 

[Gentelman]

All of these casuality figures are from various sources inside pakistan .........

IIRC , Indian official claim was 700 pakistani casuality .

Inside Pakistan these are just discussion based on PML(N) and Nawaz sharif Shi*...
now a political part will tell us about casualties in Kargil..
well PML(N) is doing so to use this against Musharraf who thrown PML(N) after Kargil....