Did Nehru get Gandhi killed?

[pothead]

Absolutely, you hurt the feelz of Cha Cha secular groupies.

That's exactly my aim. I want to make them squeamish because they don't blink for a second to attack RSS for every thing under the sun and moon.

If they truly believe in freedom of Speech and expression and so on, my posts should be welcomed and debated in a mature manner.
As long as I am not abusing, it's fair game.

 

[Joe Shearer]

Well it could be true, Neta ji's death also remains a mystery and some people believe Nehru had a hand in it.

Some people believe that Nehru concealed evidence that Netaji might be alive and a prisoner in Soviet Russia. Not that Nehru had a hand in it. Please don't set up a second-hand market in half-truths.

That's exactly my aim. I want to make them squeamish because they don't blink for a second to attack RSS for every thing under the sun and moon.

If they truly believe in freedom of Speech and expression and so on, my posts should be welcomed and debated in a mature manner.
As long as I am not abusing, it's fair game.

As long as you are not lying, say what you like.

 

[pothead]

Nehru openly called Bhagat Singh and Azad Terrorists (heck nehru also has a role in Azad Murder too), he was a perfect british poodle who loved his occasional pat from Ms Mountbatten.

Among other things, yes.

If you think logically, after independence Nehru did everything that were polar opposite to what Gandhi wanted for Independent India.

 

[ranjeet]

Some people believe that Nehru concealed evidence that Netaji might be alive and a prisoner in Soviet Russia. Not that Nehru had a hand in it. Please don't set up a second-hand market in half-truths.

What about his role in the murder of Chandra Shekhar Azad?

 

[pothead]

As long as you are not lying, say what you like.

sir, does that apply to people who take shots at RSS in spite of SC decisions?

Again, it's not 'us' who started this debate. Rahul 'Gandhi' claimed RSS killed Gandhi repeatedly and is fighting a case in SC.
When the narrative is being built on a falsehood, then, shouldn't the debate extend to find the real culprits?

if you look at Gandhi's murder and dispassionately assess it, then all those who profited from this murder are fair game in terms of suspects.

This discussion could have been avoided if the liberals of India told Rahul Gandhi to shut his mouth. they kept quiet and in fact most of them cheered him on. So, why take umbrage today when I want to discuss an alternate theory?

 

[Joe Shearer]

Nehru openly called Bhagat Singh and Azad Terrorists (heck nehru also has a role in Azad Murder too), he was a perfect british poodle who loved his occasional pat from Ms Mountbatten.

Again, you are covering up for the fact that it was Gandhi who refused to appeal to the Viceroy for clemency for Bhagat Singh. Try to avoid the sexual smears, although they are so you.

 

[ranjeet]

Again, you are covering up for the fact that it was Gandhi who refused to appeal to the Viceroy for clemency for Bhagat Singh. Try to avoid the sexual smears, although they are so you.

Nope I not talking about appeal for clemency, I am saying Nehru believed Bhagat Singh was a terrorist. Is this also a half truth or I am closer to 3/4 truth on this one?

 

[El Sidd]

There is also a theory that Stalin killed Lenin

Why did you create this thread?

The title is about Nehru and Gandhi and then you talk about Stalin and Lenin?

 

[Joe Shearer]

sir, does that apply to people who take shots at RSS in spite of SC decisions?

Again, it's not 'us' who started this debate. Rahul 'Gandhi' claimed RSS killed Gandhi repeatedly and is fighting a case in SC.
When the narrative is being built on a falsehood, then, shouldn't the debate extend to find the real culprits?

I couldn't care a shit about Rahul Gandhi and don't put that word in quotes. He isn't a member of PDF, and if he had been, he'd have got a negative rating for dragging in the RSS where it was not involved.

if you look at Gandhi's murder and dispassionately assess it, then all those who profited from this murder are fair game in terms of suspects.

Don't talk rubbish.You seem to think that all was unknown and mysterious. The assassin made a statement from the bar of the court. There was nobody but the Hindu Mahasabha involved in this.

This discussion could have been avoided if the liberals of India told Rahul Gandhi to shut his mouth. they kept quiet and in fact most of them cheered him on. So, why take umbrage today when I want to discuss an alternate theory?

Because if you take it up in public fora, nobody would have interfered with you. I don't give negative ratings to Times of India correspondents, or to Goswami. I gave a negative rating to a PDF member who was lying.

Nope I not talking about appeal for clemency, I am saying Nehru believed Bhagat Singh was a terrorist. Is this also a half truth or I am closer to 3/4 truth on this one?

No, you are correct, but he had no influence on the Viceroy; Gandhi did. He could at least have written a letter. The circumstances of that case were hugely different. I suspect you know that.

 

[Verve]

Well, that is a reasonable response, and I envy you the position from which you are saying this. Please consider the situation in these terms:

1. This is generally a far less violent and arms-laden country than Pakistan. You have to see 'country-made' weaponry made in the illegal arms factories of Bihar with your products out of Darra Adam Khel. There is simply no comparison. So an antipathy that might mean a massacre in Pakistan comes down to vileness of behaviour in India.
2. Much of the dislike and intolerance is isolated to caste-defined silos. There are certain castes likely to be prone to communal feeling to a greater degree than the rest of society in general. It is precisely those castes that have easier access to 'education' (or the technical training that substitutes for education), consequently, easier access to jobs, and, the final step, the financial buffers to look around and fill the void that seems to overcome them, that drives them to seek their identity in religious labels, or in ethnic groups, or in language groups. Sorry, that was not the final step; the final step was that these sections of society also have had to suffer slowing down of improvements in their material condition and suffered the consequences of a slow-down in the rate of growth, and that powered nearly half the numbers who voted for Modi's party.
3. I believe that these segments are themselves in a minority when we consider the minorities as defined (Muslim, Christian, Sikh, primarily) and in combination with the Dalit or the tribal. The task is not as easy as they think.

I hope this gives you some clues to the currents and cross-currents within Indian society.

Love for guns doesn't translate in to love for violence. Saying that, when you are the ruling elite you don't need guns as the army has plenty.

RSS has managed to secure the rule, whereas despite weapons being readily available in Pakistan a religious extremist party has not done so.

One can only hope for a reversal in India but chances are slim. The narrative is aggressive and the counter narrative is mute. Public at large is lapping up the majoritarian pitch.

 

[pothead]

I couldn't care a shit about Rahul Gandhi and don't put that word in quotes. He isn't a member of PDF, and if he had been, he'd have got a negative rating for dragging in the RSS where it was not involved.



Don't talk rubbish.You seem to think that all was unknown and mysterious. The assassin made a statement from the bar of the court. There was nobody but the Hindu Mahasabha involved in this.



Because if you take it up in public fora, nobody would have interfered with you. I don't give negative ratings to Times of India correspondents, or to Goswami. I gave a negative rating to a PDF member who was lying.

Sir, Thank you.
That's all I wanted.

If only some one could slap some sense into Rahul Gandhi, I would gladly delete this thread.
Since that won't be happening, I believe the only way for people to know the fact that RSS was not involved is for people like me to make provocative thread like these & have people like you spread the truth.

Sir, you talked about Queens Gambit, Please check about Alekhine's defence to know why this thread is made

 

[Joe Shearer]

Sir, the context of the debate is important.

The context of the debate DOES NOT warrant wilful misrepresentation, telling lies.

RSS is being attacked for death of Gandhi, in spite of SC ruling otherwise.
Hence, the counter narrative must be argued.

Sure. Do that, where the RSS is being attacked. It was not attacked here. And the counter-narrative is fine, but lying is not.

If the liberals do not stand up for RSS while they are being wrongfully maligned for a murder, I believe the liberals should stop getting offended when the counter narrative is being built against Nehru.

Sure, go and argue in the public fora where this is being argued. Don't bring those issues in here.

you can't hide behind "truth", when you obfuscate the truth that RSS has no hand in Gandhi's death.
That's duplicitous.

Please show me where I obfuscated the truth that RSS had no hand in Gandhi's death. You are again setting up a straw man, creating a position for me which has never been mine.

FACT: RSS has been cleared by SC regarding Gandhi's death.
FACT: Nehru was never put under the scanner for Gandhi's death.

RSS has been cleared because there was a judgement in a criminal court that identified the organisation to which the assassin belonged.

Nehru was never under court scrutiny.

For you to equate the two is your usual utter dishonesty.

It's time we did, no matter how uncomfortable the truth.

It is not I who is uncomfortable with the truth, and who is making up his own 'truths', it is you.

 

[pothead]

Love for guns doesn't translate in to love for violence. Saying that, when you are the ruling elite you don't need guns as the army has plenty.

RSS has managed to secure the rule, whereas despite weapons being readily available in Pakistan a religious extremist party has not done so.

One can only hope for a reversal in India but chances are slim. The narrative is aggressive and the counter narrative is mute. Public at large is lapping up the majoritarian pitch.

Heard about what's good for the goose......

How come this sort of debate does not crop up in any Islamic nations?

 

[ranjeet]

No, you are correct, but he had no influence on the Viceroy; Gandhi did. He could at least have written a letter. The circumstances of that case were hugely different. I suspect you know that.

I am not accusing Nehru had a role in Bhagat Singh's hanging, I accused Nehru having a role in Azad's encounter.

 

[Joe Shearer]

Sir, Thank you.
That's all I wanted.

If only some one could slap some sense into Rahul Gandhi, I would gladly delete this thread.
Since that won't happening, I believe the only way for people to know the fact that RSS was not involved is for people like me to make provocative thread like these & have people like you spread the truth.

Sorry, if you want to enlist me as advocate, this is not the way.

Sir, you talked about Queens Gambit, Please check about Alekhine's defence to know why this thread is made

That's a pretty grand fail. Your style is more Nimzowitsch or Tartakower, never anything straightforward, always crooked.

I am not accusing Nehru had a role in Bhagat Singh's hanging, I accused Nehru having a role in Azad's encounter.

Pathetic. Try a little harder to relate that to this thread. Leg

Love for guns doesn't translate in to love for violence. Saying that, when you are the ruling elite you don't need guns as the army has plenty.

RSS has managed to secure the rule, whereas despite weapons being readily available in Pakistan a religious extremist party has not done so.

One can only hope for a reversal in India but chances are slim. The narrative is aggressive and the counter narrative is mute. Public at large is lapping up the majoritarian pitch.

Not the public at large. It is far more complex. As I have tried to show, in all honesty. If, nevertheless, you wish to believe something else, that is entirely up to you.