DID Nawaz really say Pakistan army back stabbed India?

[Irfan Baloch]

@Irfan Baloch you are not imagining at all, in fact I remembered too as i read your post how Nawaz simply tried to bulldoze two nation theory while talking about hi d favourite aalo gosht.

If I bring this up as a mere criticsm i am attacked by noonies who start crying that i dont want good relations with india and want to declare everyone traitor

I merely say that good relations and friendship can be done without ad mouthing own army and pissing at idelogy of Pakistan
For every liberal blame on Pakistan army there maybe same or more blame on Indian army no its not an excuse but a fact check request to be fair
Yes east pakistanis mandate was rejected by bhutto but it didnt mean india had right to invade it
Their late field Marshall said thry been planning invasion for 9 months

Maybe wr should stop calling Nawaz a traitor

He is actually a dallal because he barked while being a PM

 

[Crusher]

Ideologies to waqt ka sath badal jaati Hain aik atheist religious ban jata hai aik religious person secular ban jata hai
a communist with time can become a capitalis soch to aik pal main badal sakti hai

Good observation, "Orya maqbool jaan" who is one of the biggest "islamist journalist" today told in one interview that he was a "revolutionary communist atheist" in his young age but then turned into what he is now an "islamist journalist", so "ideological" transformations are not uncommon. But in Nawaz Sharif's case there has never been any "transformation of ideology" since he never had "ideology" in his entire life, he is just an opportunist POS, just gets into any boat that can take him to his goal irrespective of who is driving the boat and which type of people are accompanying him in that boat.

 

[B.K.N]

to phir Mian Sahab aaj inquilaabi hogaye hain kal wapis line pe ajayenge to sab sahi hojaega?

Line pa ajayen to acha but crimes ki saza bhughtani paray gi
Jesay Mangus saheb line pa agaye Hain inki history section sa posts parh Kar arguments da raha tha aur yeh aap ki comment like Kar rahay hain

 

[Shane]

I am only interested in one where he as prime minister questioned the genious of border quoting alu gost clothes language beung the same and then talked about Pakistan army back stabbing him and india

Here it is the part about stabbing in the back and voices of shame shame from the select safma/ amn ki asha crowd:

 

[El Sidd]

Line pa ajayen to acha but crimes ki saza bhughtani paray gi

Tazeerat e Pakistan ke tehat jisne jo jurm kia hai uski ayeeni qanooni saza usko milni chaiye. Isper koi do raye nahi or na hosakti hain kisi bhi mashray me.

 

[Shane]

Maybe wr should stop calling Nawaz a traitor

He is actually a dallal because he barked while being a PM

For a businessman of Nawaz Sharif's mentality, there had to be some outworldly incentive to make him speak the language of Indians but motivate him so much so as to adapt the Indian narrative altogether.

That lucrative and outworldly incentive was provided by Jindals and anyone can connect the dots who reads into jindals visits and Nawaz's going rabid against the state:

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/shar...greed-betrayal-and-divine-retribution.627226/

 

[AUz]

@Irfan Baloch

Yes, he did say it. It was SAFMA's conference arranged by Pakistani secularists (aka traitors). I urge you to watch this video. Its only 10 minutes long approx. This was the video where SAFMA's chief at that time, Marvi Sirmed, talked about how she is fighting the war to make Pakistan a secular country, how two-nation theory is worthless (her words), and how Punjabis in Pakistan have more in common with indian Punjabis than Pakistani Pashtuns. At one point, the argument comes up about how India is oppressing Kashmiris and she says "To mein kya karun? Unka mulk hai jo marzi karain wo. Mujhay Pakistani fauj k Balochistan mein muzalim ki zada fikar hai"

I watched this program live back in those days (more than 10 years ago I think). I was astonished and flabbergasted as to how can someone be this openly treacherous towards their own state? Guess what? This Marvi Sirmed went on to be a regular analyst on one of GEO's show, she publishes her own magazine (Counter-terrorism Pakistan), and has a large following online.

Now wonder so many of our young minds have given up on the idea of Pakistan and have been completely demoralized. The state of Pakistan has really ignored the PsyOP/Information warfare aspect of 21st century. There is some improvement after Raheel Shareef and current DG ISPR is great too. Hopefully this is looked into comprehensively. Every state needs to have a comprehensive narrative of their own, and Pakistan really needs to work hard towards it.

NGO's, SAFMA type orgs, PTM, "Aurat March" etc etc----all are foreign-funded and influenced tools being used against Pakistan. In Putin's Russia, these people would have been dead in car accidents by now.

 

[B.K.N]

wese aapko Pakistan ki ideology badalne me kia faida mil raha hai? zara hame bhi batayen

Ham Pakistan ki ideology ko mazeed mazbot Kar rahay hain by saying India and Pakistan were never same country these both countries are not similar to each other etc and you are saying no both of these countries are same
I think Pakistan shouldn't depend on some lawyer's views regarding what Pakistan should be like
each era is unique make policies as per circumstances not as per wishes of someone who died more than 70 years ago
why should we follow what Iqbal or Jinnah wanted us to do

 

[Shane]

The gosht theory seems like he was addressing only non-veg.

There were more than a few Sardar jees in attendance, and at least one on stage too hence the thipper gosht and aalo gosht reference.

 

[VCheng]

bad mouthing own army

Fair criticism is not badmouthing.

The Army deserves our respect when it follows the Constitution and our derision when it does not.

Did the Army launch the Kargil operation on its own or not?

 

[El Sidd]

Ham Pakistan ki ideology ko mazeed mazbot Kar rahay hain by saying India and Pakistan were never same country these both countries are not similar to each other etc and you are saying no both of these countries are same
I think Pakistan shouldn't depend on some lawyer's views regarding what Pakistan should be like
each era is unique make policies as per circumstances not as per wishes of someone who died more than 70 years ago
why should we follow what Iqbal or Jinnah wanted us to do

Nowhere did i say both are same nor implied that. I said they are two different political entities with two different destinies.

Ironically you would need a lawyer if you want to progress with this thought to change the country's fundamentals. If it helps there are lawyers out there who are advocating that Sindh and Chitral have nothing in common and Baloch and Kashmiris neither.

Ye pandora box aap na hi kholen to behtar hoga.

 

[Taimoor Khan]

I am always curious to know why the most kanjar nasal within Pakistan manage to reach the highest power corridors ?

This is Asif Ali Zardari father with his words of wisdom. I can only imagine young Asif growing in a house with this sort of narrative around him.

Is this country got any sort of deep state which can filter out individuals before they reach to the power corridors?

 

[B.K.N]

If it helps there are lawyers out there who are advocating that Sindh and Chitral have nothing in common and Baloch and Kashmiris neither.

Who cares for comanlities if @Indus Pakistan Indus sa itni dor angrezon ka sath reh sakta hai to ham bhi akhtay reh saktay hain
aur aisay lawyers ka license cancel kardo
waisay ham to mazak Kar rahay thay

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

Ignore indian news channels clips quoting him
I am after a clip i saw 5 years ago

where Nawaz in his own voice addressing indian media
At modi inaguration saying

Why there is border between india Pakistan when language culture food and clothing is same
He also says Pakistan army back stabbed india on kargil to which indian crowd cries shame shame

I saw that clip on news and on YouTube but its gone

And only indian news with music and voice overs left


I am only interested in one where he as prime minister questioned the genious of border quoting alu gost clothes language beung the same and then talked about Pakistan army back stabbing him and india

Am i imagining or he did say it?

Anyone want to take a guess at to what the IQ of nawaz sharif is? Must be around 50/retarded level.

The Pakistan Army IS suppose to DO ANYTHING and EVERYTHING that is anti-indian..........as india is an EXISTENTIAL threat to Pakistan and it's military..........ANYONE who believes to contrary is obviously mentally challenged with severe learning difficulties........

 

[El Sidd]

Who cares for comanlities if @Indus Pakistan Indus sa itni dor angrezon ka sath reh sakta hai to ham bhi akhtay reh saktay hain
aur aisay lawyers ka license cancel kardo
waisay ham to mazak Kar rahay thay

nazriyaat per mazaaq nahi hosakta.
baqi raha isne ye bayaan kardia usne woh kehdia.. to zara google karlen aap maujooda wazir e azam ke sunehre alfaaz bhi tassali inshallah hojaegi