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Developing Ties Between Pak, Russia, China, Iran & the CARS

Russia should give visa free entry to Pakistanis...like this we win your confidence and then we buy military hardware from you...we are neighbours....lets forget the past and start a new future as we are in the same region..share a lot of history and stuff.
 
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Why Putin is driving Washington nuts
By Pepe Escobar

Forget the past (Saddam, Osama, Gaddafi) and the present (Assad, Ahmadinejad). A bet can be made over a bottle of Petrus 1989 (the problem is waiting the next six years to collect); for the foreseeable future, Washington's top bogeyman - and also for its rogue North Atlantic Treaty Organization partners and assorted media shills - will be none other than back-to-the-future Russian President Vladimir Putin.

And make no mistake; Vlad the Putinator will relish it. He's back exactly where he wants to be; as Russia's commander-in-chief, in charge of the military, foreign policy and all national security matters.

Anglo-American elites still squirm at the mention of his now legendary Munich 2007 speech, when he blasted the then George W Bush administration for its obsessively unipolar imperial agenda "through a system which has nothing to do with democracy" and non-stop overstepping of its "national borders in almost all spheres"."

So Washington and its minions have been warned. Before last Sunday's election, Putin even advertised his road map The essentials; no war on Syria; no war on Iran; no "humanitarian bombing" or fomenting "color revolutions" - all bundled into a new concept, "illegal instruments of soft power". For Putin, a Washington-engineered New World Order is a no-go. What rules is "the time-honored principle of state sovereignty".

No wonder. When Putin looks at Libya, he sees the graphic, regressive consequences of NATO's "liberation" through "humanitarian bombing"; a fragmented country controlled by al-Qaeda-linked militias; backward Cyrenaica splitting from more developed Tripolitania; and a relative of the last king brought in to rule the new "emirate" - to the delight of those model democrats of the House of Saud.

More key essentials; no US bases encircling Russia; no US missile defense without strict admission, in writing, that the system will never target Russia; and increasingly close cooperation among the BRICS group of emerging powers.

Most of this was already implied in Putin's previous road map - his paper A new integration project for Eurasia: The future in the making. That was Putin's ippon - he loves judo - against the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO), the International Monetary Fund and hardcore neo-liberalism. He sees a Eurasian Union as a "modern economic and currency union" stretching all across Central Asia.

For Putin, Syria is an important detail (not least because of Russia's naval base in the Mediterranean port of Tartus, which NATO would love to abolish). But the meat of the matter is Eurasia integration. Atlanticists will freak out en masse as he puts all his efforts into coordinating "a powerful supranational union that can become one of the poles of today's world while being an efficient connecting link between Europe and the dynamic Asia-Pacific Region".

The opposite roadmap will be Obama and Hillary's Pacific doctrine. Now how exciting is that?

Putin plays Pipelineistan
It was Putin who almost single-handedly spearheaded the resurgence of Russia as a mega energy superpower (oil and gas accounts for two-thirds of Russia's exports, half of the federal budget and 20% of gross domestic product). So expect Pipelineistan to remain key.

And it will be mostly centered on gas; although Russia holds no less than 30% of global gas supplies, its liquid natural gas (LNG) production is less than 5% of the global market share. It's not even among the top ten producers.

Putin knows that Russia will need buckets of foreign investment in the Arctic - from the West and especially Asia - to keep its oil production above 10 million barrels a day. And it needs to strike a complex, comprehensive, trillion-dollar deal with China centered on Eastern Siberia gas fields; the oil angle has been already taken care of via the East Siberian Pacific Ocean (ESPO) pipeline. Putin knows that for China - in terms of securing energy - this deal is a vital counterpunch against Washington's shady "pivoting" towards Asia.

Putin will also do everything to consolidate the South Stream pipeline - which may end up costing a staggering $22 billion (the shareholder agreement is already signed between Russia, Germany, France and Italy. South Stream is Russian gas delivered under the Black Sea to the southern part of the EU, through Bulgaria, Serbia, Hungary and Slovakia). If South Stream is a go, rival pipeline Nabucco is checkmated; a major Russian victory against Washington pressure and Brussels bureaucrats.

Everything is still up for grabs at the crucial intersection of hardcore geopolitics and Pipelineistan. Once again Putin will be facing yet another Washington road map - the not exactly successful New Silk Road (See US's post-2014 Afghan agenda falters, Asia Times Online, Nov 4, 2011.)

And then there's the joker in the pack - the Shanghai Cooperation Organization (SCO). Putin will want Pakistan to become a full member as much as China is interested in incorporating Iran. The repercussions would be ground-breaking - as in Russia, China, Pakistan and Iran coordinating not only their economic integration but their mutual security inside a strengthened SCO, whose motto is "non-alignment, non-confrontation and non-interference in the affairs of other countries".

Putin sees that with Russia, Central Asia and Iran controlling no less than 50% of world's gas reserves, and with Iran and Pakistan as virtual SCO members, the name of the game becomes Asia integration - if not Eurasia's. The SCO develops as an economic/security powerhouse, while, in parallel, Pipelineistan accelerates the full integration of the SCO as a counterpunch to NATO. The regional players themselves will decide what makes more sense - this or a New Silk Road invented in Washington.

Make no mistake. Behind the relentless demonization of Putin and the myriad attempts to delegitimize Russia's presidential elections, lie some very angry and powerful sections of Washington and Anglo-American elites.

They know Putin will be an ultra tough negotiator on all fronts. They know Moscow will apply increasingly closer coordination with China; on thwarting permanent NATO bases in Afghanistan; on facilitating Pakistan's strategic autonomy; on opposing missile defense; on ensuring Iran is not attacked.

He will be the devil of choice because there could not be a more formidable opponent in the world stage to Washington's plans - be they coded as Greater Middle East, New Silk Road, Full Spectrum Dominance or America's Pacific Century. Ladies and gentlemen, let's get ready to rumble


The only game in town is back on. It will be interesting how India's investments in Afghanistan will fair now.


Asia Times Online :: Why Putin is driving Washington nuts
 
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When you have a fight or argument between brothers inside a house, you keep the fight inside the house and resolve it there. You don't go and get the neighborhood goonda (US or China) to come in and beat your brother up in return for his wealth so that you could get your share. But that is what has been happening since day one in the subcontinent.

Until both Pakistan and India sit together one on one rather than depending on outside support and resolve issues directly, it will not happen.

Although I think it is simplistic to think that Pakistan sat on the 'lap' of America since 1947, I think we all need to realize that we can't change our neighbors and that outside powers don't usually care about what happens thousands of miles from their shores. In the name of 'freedom and democracy' they are very clearly corporate entities. They have no overwhelming interests in the well beings of the distant shores--and one can't blame them.

And hence we really, really need to find some kind 'Out of the box' solutions to the regional issues, starting with India-Pakistan peace on Kashmir. It is a 'given' that neither can yank away what is held by the other without incurring too much losses on both sides. With that as the starting position we need to really make peace. A peace which involves internal, full autonomy for the IoK, Pakistan's water concerns met but also a peace which recognizes the ground reality in Kashmir on both sides to 'shelve' the issue indefinitely and move on. Until and unless we do that the true potentials of the Sub Continent cannot be realized soon enough. I, for one, foresee a Sub Continent Union one day. Looking at the images of poverty, destitution, and over-population in the Sub-Continent it is about time we set our egos aside and make the lives of countless millions better.
Why delay the inevitable? Peace between India and Pakistan is inevitable. As inevitable as the rising sun tomorrow. Pakistanis are not some alien implants from the Middle East or Europe. They may have different religion but the roots still run deep into that soil.
 
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Pakistan Iran china and Russia's interests converge. Indian's interests dont and in any event they have chosen America no matter what they say or do for public consumption. India will be forced into concessions over Kashmir because they will need energy corridors to through Pakistan. Pakistan high command knows that and that is why the Musshy peace plan has been put on ice by Pakistan because they know they will in due course get a better deal
 
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We’re engaging India full thrust: Putin

Russia has closer defence ties with India than with any other country, including China, Prime Minister Vladimir Putin has said.

“As far as joint [defence] projects are concerned, we have advanced farther with India than with any other country, including China,” Mr. Putin said, citing the Brahmos supersonic cruise missile, the Akula class nuclear submarine leased to India, the multi-role transport aircraft and the fifth-generation fighter plane.

“The nuclear submarine should have set sail to India the other day. We are very actively working with them [Indians] on the transport plane. They have joined us full swing in the work for the Perspective Aviation Complex for Frontline Aviation (PAK-FA), T-50,” Mr. Putin said at a meeting with Russian security and defence experts on Friday at the Sarov nuclear centre.

Mr. Putin dealt at length on progress in building the fifth-generation plane.

“It is now clear that we will have the fifth-generation aircraft. Two, or even three, planes are already up in the air, and more planes will join them this year. Technological problems have all been solved; it is quite obvious that we’ll make the aircraft and make it quite fast. We needed a partner to bring down the final cost of the plane; they [Indians] will buy it in large numbers. The T-50 is shaping to be superior to the American fifth-generation plane.”

Mr. Putin was responding to a suggestion from a defence analyst to “engage actively” with India, China, Iran and other countries, and to pursue issue-specific alliances to uphold Russia’s security interests. “We’re engaging India full thrust, we’re in fact doing it all as you say,” replied Mr. Putin, who is almost certain to reclaim Russian presidency in the March 4 elections


The Hindu : News / International : We
 
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We’re engaging India full thrust: Putin

Russia has closer defence ties with India than with any other country, including China, Prime Minister Vladimir Putin has said.

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We must not forget that lip service has been paid to India by many countries because they wish to sell armaments to India as India is not very successful unlike China at self sufficiency in arms production. Its no different to a salesman stroking a potential customer. Pakistan relation is more complicated and Russia and Pakistan are being pushed together. Russia and China need each other and Putin recognises Pakistan is China's closest ally.

Its not just that Russia and Pakistan share an antagonistic relationship with America that pushes them together. Both Russia and Pakistan also have mutual friends like China which pushes them closer.

And lets not forget converging geo strategic interests. Putin pipeline is good for the neighbourhood and includes Iran
 
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US-Russia confrontation over Pakistan
14 March 2012, 18:41 (GMT+04:00)

Azerbaijan, Baku, March 14 / Trend /

Azer Ahmedbeyli, Trend analytical centre expert

About which reset can we speak, if the United States and Russia from time to time show polar positions on the major international problems? Examples abound: expansion of NATO toward Russia's borders, placement of missile defense in Europe, attitude to confrontation in Libya which has already become a history, today's confrontation in Syria, the parties' positions regarding Iran's nuclear program. There are also more subtle forms of confrontation, such as in Central Asia. If we remove the rhetoric and look at the action, it makes grade as a continuation of the Cold War. The names, as well as the scope and methods, in this case are not of fundamental importance, the main thing is that the essence of what is happening doesn't change: the confrontation, though not direct, as in the Caribbean crisis continues, and often without taking into account interests of third countries involved in it.

Pakistan by virtue of a range of circumstances may be the next target in the struggle for spheres of influence. Until recently, this question was not at agenda at all, Pakistan was, and is likely to remain a reliable strategic ally of the United States. Not mentioning the well-known fact in the recent cooling of US-Pakistani relations, let's focus only on one thing - the issue of gas pipeline project from Iran to Pakistan. Pakistan's economy, according to international organizations, is one of the fastest growing in the world. Acute need to provide it with hydrocarbon fuel makes Islamabad to act strictly from the perspective of its economic interests. United States, for obvious reasons, are dead set against this project, as well as any other, where the word Iran is. The U.S. uses such arguments as persuasion of Islamabad that Iran is an unreliable partner, and veiled threats, such as the submitting to Congress in February issue of self-determination of Balochistan province.

Pakistani press reported that these days the Pakistani side received from Russia a proposal to grant the right to build the Pakistani section of the Iran-Pakistan gas pipeline to Gazprom hors concours. As pointed out by the Pakistani media, in this case Moscow will provide funding for the project, which costs $1.2 billion. Pakistan itself has limited means to finance the project.

Isn't it an episode of the Cold War? However, we must mention that this is one of the few occasions when it is not Russia but the U.S. that needs to find a counter plea on a given initiative.

Recently, according to some media reports, the administration of Pakistani President said that new Russian President Vladimir Putin accepted the invitation of Pakistani Prime Minister Yusuf Reza Gilani to visit this country. If the information is correct, then this will be the first visit of Russian President to Pakistan since 1948, i.e. since the establishment of diplomatic relations between the two countries (the Russian Federation as the successor to the USSR), and it will also confirm the assumption that Pakistan is becoming another field of conflict of interests between the two great powers.

You can't make an omelet without breaking eggs, and no end in sight. The economy of Pakistan, nearly half of consumed energy resources of which falls to natural gas could become hostage to high politics.

Pakistan's proven gas reserves, which, according to the international energy agencies are about 900 billion cubic meters, while maintaining the current production capacity, will reduce dramatically in 20-25 years. In 1999, Pakistan consumed 20.3 billion cubic meters of gas per year. After 10 years, in 2009, the figure nearly doubled - to 38.7 billion cubic meters. In 2015, this level is expected to reach 92 billion cubic meters. It is assumed that during this time natural gas production in the country will reduce to 31.5 billion cubic meters. Ten years later, Pakistan will need import of 60 billion cubic meters of natural gas per year to meet the domestic needs.


US-Russia confrontation over Pakistan - Trend
 
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Russia & Iran shows interest for establishment of Pak-Iran gas pipeline
South Asian News Agency (SANA) ⋅ March 13, 2012 ⋅ Share/Save

ISLAMABAD, (SANA): Russia & Iran shown interest for establishment of Pak-Iran gas pipeline; meanwhile Iran also offered 20 million dollars initially for the project to Pakistan.

The meeting of Economic Coordination Committee was held in Islamabad and was chaired by Federal Finance Minister Abdul Hafeez Shaikh. The meeting approved Rs 6.1 billion for tumbling Pakistan Railways.

During the meeting, a committee has been constituted comprising Federal Minister Water and Power Naveed Qammar, Petroleum Minister Dr Asim, Governor State bank of Pakistan and Secretary Economic Affairs Division to review Pak-Iran gas pipeline project. The committee will present its report regarding the project within two or three days.

The meeting also formed a committee under the supervision of Naveed Qammar to review 1.2 million wheat exports to Iran. The Economic Coordination Committee also set urea price at Rs 1600 per 40 kilogram.
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India’s geo-political importance in the emerging Asian environment is not as important the make-believing Indian analysts’ project. Pakistan’s importance and criticality is an acceptable fact and therefore the race between the three world powers i.e. US, China and Russia to befriend Pakistan. Indians need to accept this fact and learn to live with it. To explain this, I will palce a quote from an earlier posted analysis which is still current, even though it was written an year ago:

……………. Many believe that India is a regional power, yet they fail to realize the fact that its regional prowess can only be exercised against nations as small and vulnerable as Nepal, Bhutan, Sri Lanka, Maldives and Bangladesh. It has not been able to convincingly project its power potential against present day Pakistan and China and it is unlikely to happen in the future as well. US Embassy, New Delhi (courtesy wikileaks) corroborates this fact indicating that, with present Indian military capabilities, Cold Start doctrine would encounter mixed results.

US, France, UK, China and Russia etc can project their power potential because either they do not have a powerful regional threat to counter or they have enough capability to deter a regional threat and also project their capability to take care of extra-regional threats.

India cannot laterally expand its influence beyond its western borders due the existence of geo-political impediments in addition to the geographical restrictions placed by the presence of Pakistan. Expansion of its influence towards the east is impeded due to the large geographical lay of China. Myanmar can provide India with limited ability to expand towards South East Asia. She attempted to undertake such a venture but due to its internal upheaval in adjoining areas failed to take timely advantage. Chinese influence in Myanmar has in the meantime increased manifold which may limit future Indian endeavours. Therefore the only direction it may be able to expand its influence is towards the vast expanse of sea in the south.

As per the perceived US game-plan for India, garnering of a seaward influence is likely to be supported by the US and West. This fact is corroborated by increased number of Indian naval exercises with navies of US and other western nations in recent years. The plan seeks India to act as a countervailing force against China, as a milkman to sustain US economy while competing with Chinese economic progress and to stabilize regional disputes with limited force projection capability.

India may become a strong economic power and be able to generate fair bit of economic influence in all those countries which are its trading partners and may also be able to exercise fair bit of negativity against Pakistan and China in this domain. However, it’s overall power projection and generation of influence in the key regions would still remain limited unless it drastically improves relations with both Pakistan and China. It also highlights the importance of strategic nature of Pak-China relationship.

Pakistan's Geopolitical Dilema China Or US: Viewpoint From Pakistan - Analysis
 
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China Russia Iran and Pakistan is the future of our neighbourhood
 
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China Russia Iran and Pakistan is the future of our neighbourhood

Where does Saudi Arabia fit in? Bcoz Saudi Arabia has been a traditional close ally of Pakistan..and we know the enmity between Saudis and Iran...It will be a tough job, balancing our relations with Saudis and Iran at the same time..We can see it already.. While we have developed better relations with Iran recently, our relations with Saudis have been bit on the colder side, in the last 3-4 yrs...I would still want to trust Saudi Arabia more than Iran, in difficult times....I hope we are able to get a balance, with regards to relations with both countries...
 
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China Russia Iran and Pakistan is the future of our neighbourhood

Stop making axis of evil, no one is interested in your nexus, it is time to take things with maturity and not emotionally. Some time muslim block, sometimes Russia Pak china, some times sunni block, some times Iran Turkey Pakistan, some times Afghanistan Pakistan srilanka. You have hid OSAMA, america has started punishing you for that so apko ab Russia yaad a raha hai. lol
Do you think world is a fool?
 
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Stop making axis of evil, no one is interested in your nexus, it is time to take things with maturity and not emotionally. Some time muslim block, sometimes Russia Pak china, some times sunni block, some times Iran Turkey Pakistan, some times Afghanistan Pakistan srilanka. You have hid OSAMA, america has started punishing you for that so apko ab Russia yaad a raha hai. lol

The only useful purpose of your post is to bump it up and draw peoples attention to this important topic.
 
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Where does Saudi Arabia fit in? Bcoz Saudi Arabia has been a traditional close ally of Pakistan..and we know the enmity between Saudis and Iran...It will be a tough job, balancing our relations with Saudis and Iran at the same time..We can see it already.. While we have developed better relations with Iran recently, our relations with Saudis have been bit on the colder side, in the last 3-4 yrs...I would still want to trust Saudi Arabia more than Iran, in difficult times....I hope we are able to get a balance, with regards to relations with both countries...

The problem is not Iran or saudiarbia. the Problem is India. Because India have started good diplomacy with the KSA and same time with the Iran, Well Iran is our traditional partner we share cultures too. So Pakistan has to react to that. Nothing much.

The only useful purpose of your post is to bump it up and draw peoples attention to this important topic.

prove me if I am wrong.
 
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