Details of some ToT's that are being negotiated in India's MMRCA program

[Abingdonboy]

Thats y they have JF-17 squadren in air against ur soon too be inducted super stealth tejas LOL ... U R Not third world country man ..... still poor people eat RATS in dinner to get over their hunger in india ... yes u r super power

Yes, well done to China for getting the JF-17 into service.

 

[chauvunist]

Please India isn't Pakistan or some African nation. You have spun a web of half-truth and sweeping generalisations. In Pakistan and Africa ToT might be a sham but the difference is that Paksitan and African nations have no real aviation or high-end technology base in which to take advantage of the ToT. India clearly does- he Indian aerospace escort is growing at a huge rate year on year and aerospace giants the world over are tieing up with Indian firms. India has the base in which to absorb the ToT and you don't have to look far to see the successes of the ToT in the past in India.


Do not lump India and Pakistan and African nations together-apples and oranges.


+Once again you have mis-used the term "third world" nation.

Oh Gosh Indians and their delusions of Shuppa Powa...

 

[Abingdonboy]

Oh Gosh Indians and their delusions of Shuppa Powa...

This is your go-to insult however where have I said India is a "super power"? I simply haven't and India ISN'T, but you don't need to be a super power to absorb ToT or have a sound technical base wherein you can apply the ToT on other projects. Others have done so who aren't super powers India can do too.

 

[chauvunist]

This is your go-to insult however where have I said India is a "super power"? I simply haven't and India ISN'T, but you don't need to be a super power to absorb ToT or have a sound technical base wherein you can apply the ToT on other projects. Others have done so who aren't super powers India can do too.

hmmm you should reread the comment i quoted and perhaps u might it...you are saying india can absorb tot but Pakistan cant simply because you dont want it to be...

Very soon u will see production lines of an operational and realistic JFT(unlike some of those who r trying for the past 20 years to do the same) in pakistan which is evident of the fact that we are more capable to absorb technology...

 

[rashtriya.rifles]

hmmm you should reread the comment i quoted and perhaps u might it...you are saying india can absorb tot but Pakistan cant simply because you dont want it to be...

Very soon u will see production lines of an operational and realistic JFT(unlike some of those who r trying for the past 20 years to do the same) in pakistan which is evident of the fact that we are more capable to absorb technology...

He was merely talking of how India has a vibrant defence sector in the form of new private players in JV with leading defense contractors of the world on top of more than 50 research labs that DRDO has .. This cannot be compared to pakistan. PERIOD.

 

[ashok321]

One thing that stuck me is Titanium alloy forming in plastic state. India has really done its homework well. Titanium and carbon composite alloys form a huge part of airframe and it is important for any nation aspiring to manufacture its own fighters to master fabrication techniques with Titanium. Titanium can be welded only in Vacuum and while it is one of the best material (Light weight and high tensile strength) it is a nightmare to work with.
If France parts with some or whole part of this technology, India is bound to get immensely benefitted. I must say even if the deal costs us upward of USD 20 Billion, its still worth it provided all technologies mentioned in writeup are sucessfully abosrbed.

Guy you remind me of something here....Titanium is very tough to forge. And it has its own history when SR-71 Blackbird was to be made by skunk works.

Interesting story. CIA fooled Soviets into buying Titanium through some front companies:

https://www.cia.gov/library/center-.../breaking-through-technological-barriers.html

 

[SpArK]

hmmm you should reread the comment i quoted and perhaps u might it...you are saying india can absorb tot but Pakistan cant simply because you dont want it to be...

Very soon u will see production lines of an operational and realistic JFT(unlike some of those who r trying for the past 20 years to do the same) in pakistan which is evident of the fact that we are more capable to absorb technology...

Apparently the success and the horoscope of Indian defense industry has been painted by most Pakistanis in the line of Tejas project.

Take the example of a company called Mahindra who is known to make Tractors

and Jeeps

Today the same company is buying a stake in Defence Land Systems of BAE PLC ( big company if u follow defence closely) and also have a JV with U.S.-based Telephonics Corp. a unit of Griffon Corp. (GFF), to make radar systems and another with United Arab Emirates-based Arabia Holdings and Ras Al Khaimah Transport Investments LLC to make and sell armored vehicles in the Middle East and Central Asia as well as in Africa.

Tell me something of same from any third world country or maybe from South Asia or maybe from Asia ...

Thats how much difference the private sectors are making a difference in your own words "shoooper dooooper IndiYeaH"

 

[Abingdonboy]

Apparently the success and the horoscope of Indian defense industry has been painted by most Pakistanis in the line of Tejas project.

Take the example of a company called Mahindra who is known to make Tractors

and Jeeps

Today the same company is buying a stake in Defence Land Systems of BAE PLC ( big company if u follow defence closely) and also have a JV with U.S.-based Telephonics Corp. a unit of Griffon Corp. (GFF), to make radar systems and another with United Arab Emirates-based Arabia Holdings and Ras Al Khaimah Transport Investments LLC to make and sell armored vehicles in the Middle East and Central Asia as well as in Africa.

Tell me something of same from any third world country or maybe from South Asia or maybe from Asia ...

Thats how much difference the private sectors are making a difference in your own words "shoooper dooooper IndiYeaH"

+ TATA has tie ups with most major aviation giants from Boeing to AW to BAE to Sikorsky to LM etc etc. TATA now makes entire Cabins for the S-92 for export as well as many components of the F-18 and Boeing airliners that are for the USN and other export nations. There are others but why waste my time banging my head against a wall!

 

[SpArK]

+ TATA has tie ups with most major aviation giants from Boeing to AW to BAE to Sikorsky to LM etc etc. TATA now makes entire Cabins for the S-92 for export as well as many components of the F-18 and Boeing airliners that are for the USN and other export nations. There are others but why waste my time banging my head against a wall!

I thought the tractor company story was enough to educate the parrots repeating the Shuppa powwa song , which they picked up from the elders who use it as slogan to hide their insecurities.

 

[Abingdonboy]

hmmm you should reread the comment i quoted and perhaps u might it...you are saying india can absorb tot but Pakistan cant simply because you dont want it to be...

Very soon u will see production lines of an operational and realistic JFT(unlike some of those who r trying for the past 20 years to do the same) in pakistan which is evident of the fact that we are more capable to absorb technology...

The simple fact is India is far,FAR ahead of Pakistan in this area. To even compare India and Pakistan on the aerospace front is laughable. Pakistan neither has the finances, economy, skilled manpower, pvt sector entities, govt backing, ambition, know-how or alliances to be able to grow into a major aerospace hub for the foreseeable future.


Like I said, comparing India to Pakistan is laughable.

 

[rashtriya.rifles]

I thought the tractor company story was enough to educate the parrots repeating the Shuppa powwa song , which they picked up from the elders who use it as slogan to hide their insecurities.

it's called indoctrination

 

[FaujHistorian]

Dear FauJ Historian.

As evident from the first pic, it is clear that a lot of ToT on demand are on surface materials like foaming, composites, riveting, some internal electronic parts composition which is to be shared with the primary contractor aka HAL research teams and to the private partners Dassault has found en route to the fulfillment of the deal de grande, .....this time around the people concerned are damn sure of what they need and how they are going to apply the know-how into and to where.

Your apples, oranges peaches story would have been more factually correct in a time, where India even while having a lot of ToT on offer couldnt apply it on anything or absorb it due to the lack of projects,money, vision or policy.

Time has changed.

Its not the corner mobile shop deal anymore, the private players has emerged and they are already on the big league in global arena before they moved into the defence sector, meaning they know their sh!t better than any governmental organisations.

So this time around the ToT will act as a double layered sanitary napkin , which will absorb whatever thing that oozes out.

Well, Yeah. Sarkari Baboos used to do $hit about the ToT.

And

Perhaps the private enterprise will do better (hopefully).


But I urge you not to blow off the example of Apple I-Phone.


Like I said the battery and screen usually go bad on the phone like that.


Similarly there are specific things in the fighter jets that need consistent supply of parts. Mainly Engine, Weapon deliver/release systems, and to a lesser degree avionics and yes a bit patching fixing tightening on the airframe.


Now please do not insult the intelligence of your fellow Indian posters to say you will get ToT of some foamy foamy shaving foam.

That's not ToT.


peace

 

[trident2010]

comparing India to Pakistan is laughable.

Not laughable, its an insult.

 

[faithfulguy]

hmmm you should reread the comment i quoted and perhaps u might it...you are saying india can absorb tot but Pakistan cant simply because you dont want it to be...

Very soon u will see production lines of an operational and realistic JFT(unlike some of those who r trying for the past 20 years to do the same) in pakistan which is evident of the fact that we are more capable to absorb technology...

India should close down DRDO and start everything over from scratch. This DRDO is a major source of embarrassment and inefficiency for India and India should start defense research from the ground up. Also, close down HAL and transfer the work to private companies.

 

[WHITESMOKE]

Now please do not insult the intelligence of your fellow Indian posters to say you will get ToT of some foamy foamy shaving foam.

That's not ToT.


peace

Do you really know what are you talking about Mr. Think Tank?