Despite the WWII past, can China and Japan be real friends?

[Aepsilons]

We can wait. A hundred years, half a millenia is a blink of an eye on the life of an ancient civilization such as Japan. We can wait.

As for Mongolia, lol. Ever had they tried to invade Japan, yet every time they were completely annihilated by the Divinr Wind and saw a merciful death by the blade of the NIHONTO.

China has to learn to live and accept Japan's position since we are geographically close to each other. Perhaps in two centuries or so , fraternalism between the states might manifest.

Then again what is a century or two ? Japan is over 6000 years old.

 

[XiaoYaoZi Backup]

We can wait. A hundred years, half a millenia is a blink of an eye on the life of an ancient civilization such as Japan. We can wait.

How did a civilization need so large amount of cultures copied from others? Most words of your language system were imported from ours. Most cultural characteristics of your own can be seen the shadow of our culture. Many current your customs still in use about eating, clothing, housing, weaponing, etc almost were what our ancestors had used and then disused. And many things we just saw as '术' or '艺' were highly dogmaticly worshiped as '道' by you Japanese. As you know, we Chinese have ever no the tradition of heathenism. Even the names of your emperors can be found the words from our ancient book 《礼记》.
I also found on the forum that you like to use the word 'refine' to introduce your culture imported from China. What a real Japanese.
By the situation of your economy, whether Japan can go through next 20 years, and after that what will happen.

As for Mongolia, lol. Ever had they tried to invade Japan, yet every time they were completely annihilated by the Divinr Wind and saw a merciful death by the blade of the NIHONTO.

How big the battles on the sea shore were
When Mongolia invaded Japan, they hadn't conquered the South China, which had the most advanced ship building technology of the world in that time. Their big war-ships were built by low-level Korean craftsmen, which had poor quality and almost can not sustain the strong winds and waves, and their soldiers were Koreans, Mongolians and Northern Hans, which all were forced to war and unaccustomed to water. Most their ships sank before reaching Japan, only several reached your shoreside. What you killed were only those whose ships hadn't sunk and who fatigued to death.
In modern times the natural barrier of sea has disappeared forever.
What you called as wars in your territory in ancient times were just in the level of gang feuds between gens of villages in our country. The wars we have experienced in the vast territory in ancient times were far more huge, cruel, fatal and bloody than all yours, also far more cunning, technical, complex, marvellous and spectacular, we have fought thousands of years.

China has to learn to live and accept Japan's position since we are geographically close to each other. Perhaps in two centuries or so , fraternalism between the states might manifest.

That is just based on that China was weak. This situation has been changing rapidly. Just like all the first one hundred years of the dynasties in our history, we are rising.

Then again what is a century or two ? Japan is over 6000 years old.

6000The tribal Era doesn't count, how long remains.

What can be called a civilization. For us we needn't boast.
When united your all islands. How long as a single unified nation, how long as a main power of world, etc. one or two hundred years? How long the Mongolia Empire, British Empire, USSR, etc lasted. How long since your Meiji Restoration, your time has gone.
The my favorite creed, spreading thousands of years in history, "胡虏无百年运".
Change is law of life, never believe in the fallacy, The end of history.
Guys, @Martian2 @TaiShang @AndrewJin @FairAndUnbiased @xunzi, @ChineseTiger1986, @Beast, @rott, @Economic superpower, @Beidou2020, @TheTheoryOfMilitaryLogistics , @cirr , etc all add more contents and details. And the good guy @opruh who always told the bloody fact.

 

[XiaoYaoZi Backup]

You are right to some extent. However, PRC was obviously was no match for the Soviets(you cant talk as if you were equals.lol), as the U.S.S.R dwarfed China in all fields by a wideeeeee margin. In fact the two were in totally different leagues . The Soviet union threatened to even nuke China, remember? It was the U.S who dissuaded Russia from even thinking that. Read it here

Through we had blasted the first hydrogen bomb for actual combat in 1967, as you just said, we were not the match of the Soviet in that time. We have the balls to fight, and we were also very practical. This can be seen as the biggest failure of Soviet in diplomacy.

Reason Mao came to his senses and later came to the conclusion that it will be good for China to seek U.S help(the bigger power) to counter the U.S.S.R (a big power) as China alone stood no chance whatsoever against Russia. Some vietnamese will call China a whore/puppet for doing so, but me i call it protecting your interests by all means necessary/self interests.

That we know. As most practical people, who cared about what others said?

There is no shame/pride/morality in geo politics as far as your interests are met. The end always justifies the means. In this regard Japan is also right to keep cooperating/partnering with the U.S since the U.S has far more to offer Japan technologically/strategically/scientifically/diplomatically etc than any country on earth.
Plus Japan is still even more advanced than China overall .

Just the advantages of the relation of US-Japan, what is the disadvantages. Meanwhile Japan now just is more advanced in some civil fields not the military fields. They are declining, we are rising, we will surpass them in all fields sooner or later.
What the biggest problem of Japan to counter us is their little size, the weight of the temporary little progress in technology fields is not that important.

So why should Japan not try and protect/keep its leading postion by all means as well?lol. Same with Vietnam (it needs U.S help to counter China as well). That's all geo politics baby .

Funny, Vietnam just become what they called us.

Anyway, my point is that these apologies/Japan is Evil stuffs is all politics..As long as China doesnt care about Russian attrocities/war crimes committed against its own people(im not even talking about all the huge land Russia annex/seized fron China), then i have no reason to believe China is sincerely just seeking Japan to apologize because of genuine reasons. Its more like a mixture of politics/culture/pride/ego than looking for genuine apologies to move on. So let the whinning stop and lets say things the way they are.

We are most practical people, and if needed, we can put aside all disputes with any other countries temporarily. And we also are enough patient and confident to undertake all the disputes in future. As you said, what we did to Japan just is a measure to keep Japanese nerve tight, that is quite useful for us to kick Japan. Funny it is Japanese, itself, that step actively into the circle we painted(they provoked the issues first). Japan is quite good target for us to cohesion strength and morale. Apologies, what a trivial. The cooperation with us for Japan is the problem as life or death, for us just the problem as help or non-help. Europeans will be happy to the sky, the most products we import from Japan can be found the counterparts in Europe, and Europe have more products that Japan has no. So you Europeans should be happy about that.
Finally Japanese will come back to the cooperation with us sooner or later. That time Japan will be weaker than the current, and anyone who is starving will become cleverer.
We have three funny neighbors Russia, India, Japan, and if you like, add Vietnam.

 

[Aepsilons]

Change is law of life, never believe in the fallacy, The end of history.

Therein is the dichotomy between Imperial Japanese Culture and the rest of East Asia.

The best answer to your treatise is the National Anthem of Japan, which ushers truth as well as profound magnanimity:

君が代は
千代に八千代に
さざれ（細）石の
いわお（巌）となりて
こけ（苔）の生すまで


Kimigayo wa
Chiyo ni yachiyo ni
Sazare-ishi no
Iwao to narite
Koke no musu made



Thousands of years of happy reign be thine;
Rule on, My Lord Emperor Divine, until what are pebbles now
By ages united to mighty rocks shall grow
Whose venerable sides the moss doth line.

​

 

[XiaoYaoZi Backup]

Therein is the dichotomy between Imperial Japanese Culture and the rest of East Asia.

The best answer to your treatise is the National Anthem of Japan, which ushers truth as well as profound magnanimity:

君が代は
千代に八千代に
さざれ（細）石の
いわお（巌）となりて
こけ（苔）の生すまで


Kimigayo wa
Chiyo ni yachiyo ni
Sazare-ishi no
Iwao to narite
Koke no musu made



Thousands of years of happy reign be thine;
Rule on, My Lord Emperor Divine, until what are pebbles now
By ages united to mighty rocks shall grow
Whose venerable sides the moss doth line.

​

Does your emperor have the descent of Korea, or your earliest emperor was a Korean?

 

[Abacin]

China and Japan have entered zero sum game. There will never be friendship between China and Japan anymore. The case of China and Japan cannot be likened to Germany and France. After World War II, German and France are forced to unite due to the pressure of Soviet and United States. There have never been hostile strategic movements between German and France. Japanese does not know how to behave ambiguously for strategic movements. From sino-Japan wars and World War II, Japan always chose to gamble. Japan made the gamble to contain China and China made the determination to terminate Japan. This is the reality in East Asia.

Before Japan decided to contain China, there might be a chance for friendship between China and Japan such as in 80s and 90s. But after Japan decided to contain China together with USA, it is over. Japan has completely lost the trust of Chinese people because this is the third time for Japan to do this within a century. How can you trust someone who comes to ruin you whenever there is a tiny change? Anyone thinking Sino-Japan Friendship is naive.

The great war game has actually started in East Asia with the focus on South China Sea. China tries to control South China Sea to avoid Asia NATO or so called Diamond circlement by Japan. As long as China controls South China Sea, this is just a knife on the heart of the possible Asia NATO. Chinese Military bases in South China Sea can easily wipe the industrial and military bases by hostile nations such as Vietnam and Philippines and cut the connections among Japanese Diamonds. Naive Philippines think that they can use a court or a lawyer to drive China out of South China Sea. No Way!!! China will rather choose Nuke ware before any back off from South China Sea because the day China leaves South China Sea, the day Asia NATO to contain China will be founded.

Philippines call China Nazi German. But strategically China is much smarter and more patient than German. That's why German can only occupy a land similar to one province of China while China continues to expand for more than 2000 years. All China will do is to strengthen military bases in South China Seas while waiting for the day that the United States cannot sustain its world police status.

China waited for nearly 200 years to terminate Huns and Turks and drove them completely out of their own lands. China can wait for several decades or even one hundred years to deal with Japan. Japan and Vietnam are 100% enemy of China. Philippines are just silly to be used as a pawn for other people. Vietnam treated China as its millennium enemy since China helped its unification. So China will treat it as our millennium enemy which should be wiped out.

 

[XiaoYaoZi Backup]

China and Japan have entered zero sum game. There will never be friendship between China and Japan anymore. The case of China and Japan cannot be likened to Germany and France. After World War II, German and France are forced to unite due to the pressure of Soviet and United States. There have never been hostile strategic movements between German and France. Japanese does not know how to behave ambiguously for strategic movements. From sino-Japan wars and World War II, Japan always chose to gamble. Japan made the gamble to contain China and China made the determination to terminate Japan. This is the reality in East Asia.

Before Japan decided to contain China, there might be a chance for friendship between China and Japan such as in 80s and 90s. But after Japan decided to contain China together with USA, it is over. Japan has completely lost the trust of Chinese people because this is the third time for Japan to do this within a century. How can you trust someone who comes to ruin you whenever there is a tiny change? Anyone thinking Sino-Japan Friendship is naive.

The great war game has actually started in East Asia with the focus on South China Sea. China tries to control South China Sea to avoid Asia NATO or so called Diamond circlement by Japan. As long as China controls South China Sea, this is just a knife on the heart of the possible Asia NATO. Chinese Military bases in South China Sea can easily wipe the industrial and military bases by hostile nations such as Vietnam and Philippines and cut the connections among Japanese Diamonds. Naive Philippines think that they can use a court or a lawyer to drive China out of South China Sea. No Way!!! China will rather choose Nuke ware before any back off from South China Sea because the day China leaves South China Sea, the day Asia NATO to contain China will be founded.

Philippines call China Nazi German. But strategically China is much smarter and more patient than German. That's why German can only occupy a land similar to one province of China while China continues to expand for more than 2000 years. All China will do is to strengthen military bases in South China Seas while waiting for the day that the United States cannot sustain its world police status.

China waited for nearly 200 years to terminate Huns and Turks and drove them completely out of their own lands. China can wait for several decades or even one hundred years to deal with Japan. Japan and Vietnam are 100% enemy of China. Philippines are just silly to be used as a pawn for other people. Vietnam treated China as its millennium enemy since China helped its unification. So China will treat it as our millennium enemy which should be wiped out.

Welcome new Chinese member here.

China and Japan have entered zero sum game. There will never be friendship between China and Japan anymore. The case of China and Japan cannot be likened to Germany and France. After World War II, German and France are forced to unite due to the pressure of Soviet and United States. There have never been hostile strategic movements between German and France. Japanese does not know how to behave ambiguously for strategic movements. From sino-Japan wars and World War II, Japan always chose to gamble. Japan made the gamble to contain China and China made the determination to terminate Japan. This is the reality in East Asia.

Before Japan decided to contain China, there might be a chance for friendship between China and Japan such as in 80s and 90s. But after Japan decided to contain China together with USA, it is over. Japan has completely lost the trust of Chinese people because this is the third time for Japan to do this within a century. How can you trust someone who comes to ruin you whenever there is a tiny change? Anyone thinking Sino-Japan Friendship is naive.

The great war game has actually started in East Asia with the focus on South China Sea. China tries to control South China Sea to avoid Asia NATO or so called Diamond circlement by Japan. As long as China controls South China Sea, this is just a knife on the heart of the possible Asia NATO. Chinese Military bases in South China Sea can easily wipe the industrial and military bases by hostile nations such as Vietnam and Philippines and cut the connections among Japanese Diamonds. Naive Philippines think that they can use a court or a lawyer to drive China out of South China Sea. No Way!!! China will rather choose Nuke ware before any back off from South China Sea because the day China leaves South China Sea, the day Asia NATO to contain China will be founded.

Philippines call China Nazi German. But strategically China is much smarter and more patient than German. That's why German can only occupy a land similar to one province of China while China continues to expand for more than 2000 years. All China will do is to strengthen military bases in South China Seas while waiting for the day that the United States cannot sustain its world police status.

China waited for nearly 200 years to terminate Huns and Turks and drove them completely out of their own lands. China can wait for several decades or even one hundred years to deal with Japan. Japan and Vietnam are 100% enemy of China. Philippines are just silly to be used as a pawn for other people. Vietnam treated China as its millennium enemy since China helped its unification. So China will treat it as our millennium enemy which should be wiped out.

Please give more contents and details to my comment about Japan.

 

[Abacin]

If China still wants to treat Japan as a friend, China is simply repeating the mistakes of first Sino-Japan war. When China was busy fighting western colonial powers such as French and Britain, China wanted Japan to be a friend to fight with west together. However, Japan backstabed China. When Chinese fleets in South had to fight with France, Japan wiped Chinese fleets in North and united with the West to attack China. Japan looted the whole China's wealth and forced China to pay Japan for nearly 30 years. This was the history how Japan became the first Industrialized country in Asia. It was built on China's Wealth.

Japan is dreaming to repeat the same again on China. Unfortunately China has the wisdom to sustain its millennium power. The defeat by Japan welcomed Chinese revolution. Chinese civilization is elevated to another level with great leadership such as Mao and Deng, just like the fall of eastern Roman Empire forced the European civilization to elevate to another level. In 1944, ROC army was easily defeated by loosing Japanese army.But 7 years later, the same group of Chinese pushed WW II winner United States from the border to 38 line.

Before Abe's policy, there may be still a little chance for sino-Japan friendship. After this, it is 100% clear that Japan is an enemy of China which must be defeated as Huns and Turks. Japan and China simply cannot coexist. When Japanese are rich, they may be peaceful; but when they are in trouble, they want to loot China. Exactly the same behavior of Huns and Turks. This is the Japan for last 1000 years. Abe simply proves that there is not a single change in Japan even after WW II.

Britain and France spent 60 years and couldn't make serious inroad into Qing Empire, no matter in the West from Tibet and Xinjiang, or east Coasts. Almost all fronts were defended by Qing. But Japan, a potential alliance with the similar ethnic group, gave a deadly stab at the right time and became the biggest looter of China. Believe in Japan?? After Abe, the chance is zero. WW II changed Japanese nothing. Japanese is still a looter deeply in the heart. Each time when they are in trouble, the idea of looting China comes to their mind, no matter how politely they behave now. I learned Japanese 20 years ago. The more I understand Japan, the more determined for me to treat Japan as an enemy. It is just another huns or Turk.

United States just wants to contain China to keep its status; Japan wants to ruin China for another looting. China and United States collaborated to win WWII and Cold War. But China and Japan cannot collaborate on anything. A little shift in US policy toward China has already shown the true face of Japan. China and Japan, Friendship No way!!

 

[XiaoYaoZi Backup]

If China still wants to treat Japan as a friend, China is simply repeating the mistakes of first Sino-Japan war. When China was busy fighting western colonial powers such as French and Britain, China wanted Japan to be a friend to fight with west together. However, Japan backstabed China. When Chinese fleets in South had to fight with France, Japan wiped Chinese fleets in North and united with the West to attack China. Japan looted the whole China's wealth and forced China to pay Japan for nearly 30 years. This was the history how Japan became the first Industrialized country in Asia. It was built on China's Wealth.

Japan is dreaming to repeat the same again on China. Unfortunately China has the wisdom to sustain its millennium power. The defeat by Japan welcomed Chinese revolution. Chinese civilization is elevated to another level with great leadership such as Mao and Deng, just like the fall of eastern Roman Empire forced the European civilization to elevate to another level. In 1944, ROC army was easily defeated by loosing Japanese army.But 7 years later, the same group of Chinese pushed WW II winner United States from the border to 38 line.

Before Abe's policy, there may be still a little chance for sino-Japan friendship. After this, it is 100% clear that Japan is an enemy of China which must be defeated as Huns and Turks. Japan and China simply cannot coexist. When Japanese are rich, they may be peaceful; but when they are in trouble, they want to loot China. Exactly the same behavior of Huns and Turks. This is the Japan for last 1000 years. Abe simply proves that there is not a single change in Japan even after WW II.

Britain and France spent 60 years and couldn't make serious inroad into Qing Empire, no matter in the West from Tibet and Xinjiang, or east Coasts. Almost all fronts were defended by Qing. But Japan, a potential alliance with the similar ethnic group, gave a deadly stab at the right time and became the biggest looter of China. Believe in Japan?? After Abe, the chance is zero. WW II changed Japanese nothing. Japanese is still a looter deeply in the heart. Each time when they are in trouble, the idea of looting China comes to their mind, no matter how politely they behave now. I learned Japanese 20 years ago. The more I understand Japan, the more determined for me to treat Japan as an enemy. It is just another huns or Turk.

United States just wants to contain China to keep its status; Japan wants to ruin China for another looting. China and United States collaborated to win WWII and Cold War. But China and Japan cannot collaborate on anything. A little shift in US policy toward China has already shown the true face of Japan. China and Japan, Friendship No way!!

Japan had never reach the height of Hun and Turks, which both were the most powerful nations in history, how long and large Japanese carried on the wars, Japan is just like 夜郎国, 辽国, 西夏, 金国, etc, but more cruel.

 

[Abacin]

Japan is just another Turk. Even Turk is driven by China so far away, they remain very hostile. In Tang Dynasty, Chinese Army was determined to terminate Turk, even if the army had to overcome Pamir and got into unknown lands in Mid-Asia. That's why Turks had to flee so far away to West Asia. Without Tang's help, Uyghurs would be terminated by Turk in Mongolian highland. Uyghurs asked Tang for help, Tang helped move them to South Xinjiang and taught them how to do silks and farming to settle down. Now they want for Independence for East Turkistan!! Turkey is so hostile to China even ten thousands of miles away. There are someones you cannot treat as friends. Japan is the same type. That's why Japan is so lonely in East Asia. China, Koreas, United States are all its enemies. Gamblers and looters are doomed to be isolated by people. China, United States and Koreas only have conflict of interests, but Japan is another group of people. Similar to Turkey in West Asia.

Vietnam is similar type. Always want to loot neighbors and are encircled by neighbors. US offers the chance of TPP. Vietnam treats it as help from God because in reality Vietnam is so lonely in the region.

 

[XiaoYaoZi Backup]

Japan is just another Turk. Even Turk is driven by China so far away, they remain very hostile. In Tang Dynasty, Chinese Army was determined to terminate Turk, even if the army had to overcome Pamir and got into unknown lands in Mid-Asia. That's why Turks had to flee so far away to West Asia. Without Tang's help, Uyghurs would be terminated by Turk in Mongolian highland. Uyghurs asked Tang for help, Tang helped move them to South Xinjiang and taught them how to do silks and farming to settle down. Now they want for Independence for East Turkistan!! Turkey is so hostile to China even ten thousands of miles away. There are someones you cannot treat as friends. Japan is the same type. That's why Japan is so lonely in East Asia. China, Koreas, United States are all its enemies. Gamblers and looters are doomed to be isolated by people. China, United States and Koreas only have conflict of interests, but Japan is another group of people. Similar to Turkey in West Asia.

They both are savagery and cruel. Anytime Japanese united most the islands, they started to invade the Paninsula of Korea.

 

[Abacin]

Japanese is completely different from German. German has many philosophers and strategic thinkers. In Japan, you only have gamblers and looters. In good time, they may behave politely, but in their deep hearts, they are simply gamblers and looters. Sony and Sharp are in trouble, because they gamble on the technology future. Abe is also making a gamble that United States and China will go to War and Japan can backstab both. How can you make friends with a gambler and a looter? If Chinese Leadership thinks about Sino-Japan friendship, they are just another Cixi, the Qing Empress in power. Also Hu Yaobang, the naive leader in eighties, an enthusiastic driver for sino-Japan. Hu brought so many fundamental troubles to China. He bascially ruined hundreds of years' Chinese efforts in Xinjiang and Tibet.

Compared to Gambler Abe, Chinese President Xi is really a strategic thinker. That's the difference between Japan and China. With the US pivotal to Asia movement, he chose to build military bases in South China Sea to prevent Asia NATO. South China Sea, is not only the most important business route, but also the geopolitical center of ASEAN and Diamond Alliance of Japan, Australia and India. If US pushes China too much, China simply need to speed up the construction of military bases in SCS. Any potential Asia NATO or Diamond Alliance are contained by Chinese Knife in SCS. US hopes to use pivotal to Asia to weaken Chinese impact on ASEAN, but in reality, US pushes ASEAN into Chinese mercy. That's why United States' interests in pivotal to Asia or TPP is reduced greatly.

United States and China are making strategic movements without gambling and giving feedback very rapidly. But Japan and Vietnam are both behaving like a gambler. Japan is betting on China-US conflicts and Vietnam is betting on TPP. Philippines are just behaving like a clown here. Philippine hasn't gotten anything from SCS yet, but it has lost sovereignty to US and Japan. Thailand and Korea clearly behave much more maturely, still havng good relations with both US and China.

 

[xunzi]

As i said, Might is right. So i just wanted to make it clear that this Evil Japan has to "apologize every year","we were/are poor victims oppressed by foreign powers" and bla bla is just politics. Not anything genuine. Since if it was genuine China would have also asked Russia to apologize for all its war crimes it committed against poor chinese civilians. But since Russia is too strong/big ,China dares not. you can say its a similar reason Japan also made peace/turn off the page with U.S as it had no choice. So you aren't any different, Just that you cry victimhood more than anyone.

My mikey friend, the last thing you shouldn't question us is FEAR. We almost gone into a nuclear exchange with the Russia's Soviet back in the day, especially the late 1970s when we attacked their "mutual defense ally" called little Vietnam. Don't remember? LOL Fact is Russia respects history. They don't distort history to their people like Japan did. Can we have this little understanding? LOL

My friend, The Japanese people and the Filipino people are brothers and friends. Your anti-Japanese propagandizing will not work on my friend @Zero_wing and the rest of the noble Filipino people. Japan and Philippines have come a long way. And the future will see both countries work together, integrate , to forge new paths, and meet threats head on.

@Cossack25A1

I'm not in the business of sugarcoating like you are. LOL

 

[mike2000 is back]

My mikey friend, the last thing you shouldn't question us is FEAR. We almost gone into a nuclear exchange with the Russia's Soviet back in the day, especially the late 1970s when we attacked their "mutual defense ally" called little Vietnam. Don't remember? LOL Fact is Russia respects history. They don't distort history to their people like Japan did. Can we have this little understanding? LOL

Lool its fearfear. But not just fear though. As i mentioned before, its also has to do with culture and ego.

You cant compare China being obviously scared of ever asking Russia for apologies(not even once in history) with China preparing for a nuclear war with Soviet Russia as China had no choicechoice other than to prepare for such eventuality, as everything depended on Russia not China. So you can frame it as Chona beibg fearless. Lool Luckily for China , the so called ' U.S warned Russia of the consequences if it did nuke China, as the U.S warned it will mean the beginning of WWIII. So much for the 'Evil' U.S and the 'holy' Russian ally. Lool

Funny thing is that whenever Russia has been Strong/powerful, China has been the first country to suffer the most from Russia's might. Lol

Anyway, as i said there is no genuine reason for asking Japan for apologies while TOTALLY ignoring Russia own massive crime,loot and rape in China. reason i obviously see this as a political game. Even my Chinese friend @XiaoYaoZi Backup agrees with me.

 

[LowPost]

Of course, buddy. Our relationship and friendship is strong, we are at least level-headed when it comes to political discourse. I like the fact that you are very mature and don't take things personally, a trait that others lack, unfortunately. I, too, hope that you don't take my stance on certain political issues to heart, politics is politics, and should never be based to judge friendship or personal qualities.





Sincerely I remain,




In addition, @rugering , you probably know this, but just want to reificate that my post was in response to one member who was going on a personal tangent , and, thus, I responded necessarily. Please know that my response was meant for that certain member, it was not directed at you or any other Chinese members here whom I consider friends.

Only to those whom attack me on regular basis.

Thanks for your clarification.