Denmark's new burqa ban also covers beards and punishes people for living in 'ghettoes'

[Zarvan]

I never said that being Arab should automatically make one the ideal spokesperson for Islam. What I pointed out was that that Egyptian has done her research. And another passage I quoted was of Shaikh Sayyed Tantawi of Al-Azhar University ( also in Egypt ) called the veil as a cultural component and not religious obligation.

Let me say again that the current Imam of all Muslims, Muammar al Gaddafi ( dead or alive doesn't matter ), emancipated Libyan women by removing the oppressive veil, among doing other things, and for that the women of Libya support him, like this young woman speaking in 2011 at the height of the NATO-imposed illegal war on Libya.

Finally, I ask you to ask yourself the simple question - why is every Muslim-majority country where the veil is not encouraged, the target of NATO conspiracies.

@Jf Thunder

Al Azhar is known stooge for Government they tell what their Government wants to hear. As for Gaddafi stop calling that retard and scumbag as leader and Imam of Muslim and Niqab was done by all wives of PROPHET SAW and Sahabiat of RASOOL SAW time. I give a shit about what Al Azhar lie about to please sissi and before that the other dictator

 

[Jf Thunder]

Egypt and Libya are hardly societies which should be emulated.

Look at Turkey, they are the model. Erdogan’s pro-hijab government presents a strong example versus the regressive pro-Western Turkey from before which criminalized hijab in a 98% Muslim majority nation where more than 60% still wore hijab.



You are re-interpreting Islamic scripture without proper knowledge. May Allah swt bless you with proper knowledge.

Besides your supporters on PDF, you are not going to find much support among common Pakistanis who are deeply religious.

I am not re-interpreting anything. and Ameen for the Dua

I never said that being Arab should automatically make one the ideal spokesperson for Islam. What I pointed out was that that Egyptian has done her research. And another passage I quoted was of Shaikh Sayyed Tantawi of Al-Azhar University ( also in Egypt ) called the veil as a cultural component and not religious obligation.

Let me say again that the current Imam of all Muslims, Muammar al Gaddafi ( dead or alive doesn't matter ), emancipated Libyan women by removing the oppressive veil, among doing other things, and for that the women of Libya support him, like this young woman speaking in 2011 at the height of the NATO-imposed illegal war on Libya.

Finally, I ask you to ask yourself the simple question - why is every Muslim-majority country where the veil is not encouraged, the target of NATO conspiracies.

@Jf Thunder

good to find a single sensible person among so many idiots
lets start our own Madrassa, no?

Indeed brother, your type of jihad is the greater jihad - opposing regressive ideas within the qaum.

Let us see what @Zarvan thinks about the Egyptian member of parliament I quoted in this post and then your reaction to that post.

Well, the veiled prostitute story is indeed correct
in-fact it is one of the most easiest way to hide anything
heck, most of the dating that goes around in my University, and other places is by Niqabis
cuz no one can recognize and blame them

I am not distorting history you are and lying about wives of RASOOL SAW and Sahabiat all of them proudly did niqab after order of it came in Surah Ahzab. They were already covering entire body except for face and hands as Surah Noor was already revealed but they started covering their face after Surah Ahzab came. It's consensus among all scholars that wives of RASOOL SAW and Sahabiat used to cover their face. As Hadiths which I quoted are their in which they themselves have told it. But you and others like are lying about Islam for past 1400 years. So please continue lying ALLAH had dealt with liars before and he would deal with you also.

@Horus

distorting Surah Noor and implementing it on the Great Women
you really need to do some Taubah

 

[BATMAN]

Every other country should follow suit
this un Islamic practice should be removed ASAP

Agree, Pakistan should follow suit.

 

[Zarvan]

I am not re-interpreting anything. and Ameen for the Dua


good to find a single sensible person among so many idiots
lets start our own Madrassa, no?


Well, the veiled prostitute story is indeed correct
in-fact it is one of the most easiest way to hide anything
heck, most of the dating that goes around in my University, and other places is by Niqabis
cuz no one can recognize and blame them


distorting Surah Noor and implementing it on the Great Women
you really need to do some Taubah

O Mr it was Surah Noor after which all women in time of RASOOL SAW started covering their entire body except for face and hands and after that ayat came in surah ahzab all wives of RASOOL SAW and women in time of RASOOL SAW started covering their faces I am not doing any misinterpretation you are lying about both Quran and Hadith now

 

[Jf Thunder]

O Mr it was Surah Noor after which all women in time of RASOOL SAW started covering their entire body except for face and hands and after that ayat came in surah ahzab all wives of RASOOL SAW and women in time of RASOOL SAW started covering their faces I am not doing any misinterpretation you are lying about both Quran and Hadith now

Surah Noor is quite clear
it does not order face covering
stop distorting Islam

 

[Zarvan]

Surah Noor is quite clear
it does not order face covering
stop distorting Islam

O hello I am also saying same. Muslim women started covering face after Surah Ahzab was revealed the famous ayat after which women started covering face is in Surah Ahzab

 

[Jf Thunder]

O hello I am also saying same. Muslim women started covering face after Surah Ahzab was revealed the famous ayat after which women started covering face is in Surah Ahzab

nah, Surah Noor was revealed after Ahzab, if I am correct
so the the orders of Surah-Ahzab were clarified by Surah Noor
Surah Nur does not order face covering = niqab = not mandated by Islam
even you order of Surah revelations is incorrect.


come up with some new propaganda please

 

[Zarvan]

nah, Surah Noor was revealed after Ahzab, if I am correct
so the the orders of Surah-Ahzab were clarified by Surah Noor
Surah Nur does not order face covering = niqab = not mandated by Islam
even you order of Surah revelations is incorrect.


come up with some new propaganda please

Surah were revealed in parts many times one Surah wasn't completed when other Surah got started and got completed first. Surah Noor was first revealed and after Surah Noor came wives and Sahabiat all started covering their entire bodies except for face and hands. But than the famous ayat of Surah Ahzab came and after that ayat they also started covering face.

 

[TMA]

Does your faith allow secularism, free speech, liberal dressing/behavior, equal rights to both sexes, interfaith marriages?
Isn't it antagonistic to western secular worldview? Don't you try to change that way of life via conversion and preaching? And forced restrictions to keep members of your community from leaving?
Let me clarify with an example-
When you're directly attacking someone who's known to be a nice person, do you not expect him to fight back?

P.S.- this is something all Muslims should ponder over.

Sincerely

Your neighborhood's friendly atheist!

As I said, if they said we don't agree with this dress and it is our country and our laws. Fine. But please do not preach to the world about freedom of dress and human rights. Just keep quiet. It is the hypocrisy that I dislike more than anything else.

Pakistan does not preach to the world about freedom!! Does she?

The story about thinking, that the veiled woman was a prostitute made me LOL so damn hard
you could hide a tank in there
and indeed prostitutes could easily move around in that thing


I shall choose to ignore un-Islamic concepts


thats just like saying, that freeing someone from slavery be force is slavery
because just like slaves, the niqabis are trained from very young age, that slavery is your fate,
so obviously just like accepting niqab, they will accept slavery as something real damn good


freedom of choice to wear a garment, where your identity is hidden is not a choice im afraid


I aint gay bruh
niqab indeed is Un-Islamic
no sane, self respecting woman would want to wear a damn niqab, unless trained from a young age or forced

Please define what is freedom of choice and how you came to these values?

(There is no such thing as absolute freedom, hence I wish to know where the limitations come in from your perspective. Is this your opinion? Is this the opinion of a collective of people? Should other people's opinions dictate how another should dress? )

 

[BATMAN]

O Mr it was Surah Noor after which all women in time of RASOOL SAW started covering their entire body except for face and hands and after that ayat came in surah ahzab all wives of RASOOL SAW and women in time of RASOOL SAW started covering their faces I am not doing any misinterpretation you are lying about both Quran and Hadith now

You are lying because you didn't witnessed it. This is according to Quran.

 

[Zarvan]

You are lying because you didn't witnessed it. This is according to Quran.

I am not lying Quran and Hadith are telling it. But please go ahead and keep lying about Quran and Sunnah ALLAH has dealt with people like you in the past and I am pretty sure he would deal with people like you soon.

 

[BATMAN]

I am not lying Quran and Hadith are telling it. But please go ahead and keep lying about Quran and Sunnah ALLAH has dealt with people like you in the past and I am pretty sure he would deal with people like you soon.

Pretty soon.... i only foresee mysterious terrorists attacking me, again.
Back to the context... Which Quaranic verse defines it, if you haven't witnessed it?
I'm not too much into hadith.... but you are welcome to quote a hadith aswell.... confirming your statement?
Since you are an expert on hadith... I kindly ask you to confirm, if following is fake or true hadith:
“It is enough sin for a man to speak of everything that he hears.” Al-Silsilah al-Saheehah, 2025

 

[Zarvan]

Pretty soon.... i only foresee mysterious terrorists attacking me, again.
Back to the context... Which Quaranic verse defines it, if you haven't witnessed it?
I'm not too much into hadith.... but you are welcome to quote a hadith aswell.... confirming your statement?
Since you are an expert on hadith... kindly confirm, if following is fake or true hadith:
“It is enough sin for a man to speak of everything that he hears.” Al-Silsilah al-Saheehah, 2025

Sahih Al-Bukhari Volume 6, Book 60, Hadith # 282
Narrated Safiya bint Shaiba (Radhiallaahu Ánha) "Aisha (Radhiallaahu Ánha) used to say: "When (the Verse): "They should draw their veils over their necks and bosoms," was revealed, (the ladies) cut their waist sheets at the edges and covered their faces with the cut pieces.

Sahih Al-Bukhari Volume 1, Book 8, Hadith # 368
Narrated 'Aisha (Radhiallaahu Ánha) Rasulullah (Sallallaahu Álayhi Wasallam) used to offer the Fajr prayer and some believing women covered with their veiling sheets used to attend the Fajr prayer with him and then they would return to their homes unrecognized . Shaikh Ibn Uthaimin in tafseer of this hadith explains "This hadith makes it clear that the Islamic dress is concealing of the entire body as explained in this hadith. Only with the complete cover including the face and hands can a woman not be recognized. This was the understanding and practice of the Sahaba and they were the best of group, the noblest in the sight of Allah (swt) with the most complete Imaan and noblest of characters. so if the practice of the women of the sahaba was to wear the complete veil then how can we deviate from their path? (Ibn Uthaimin in the book "Hijaab" page # 12 and 13)

Sahih Al-Bukhari Volume 1, Book 4, Hadith # 148
Narrated 'Aisha (Radhiallaahu Ánha): The wives of Rasulullah (Sallallaahu Álayhi Wasallam) used to go to Al-Manasi, a vast open place (near Baqia at Medina) to answer the call of nature at night. 'Umar used to say to the Prophet "Let your wives be veiled," but Rasulullah (Sallallaahu Álayhi Wasallam) did not do so. One night Sauda bint Zam'a the wife of the Prophet went out at 'Isha' time and she was a tall lady. 'Umar addressed her and said, "I have recognized you, O Sauda." He said so, as he desired eagerly that the verses of Al-Hijab (the observing of veils by the Muslim women) may be revealed. So Allah revealed the verses of "Al-Hijab" (A complete body cover excluding the eyes).

Tirmidhi with a SAHIH chain reports...
"Rasulullah (Sallallaahu Álayhi Wasallam) said “All of a woman is ‘awrah.” (Shaikh Muhammed Salih Al-Munajjid quotes this hadith narrated by Tirmidhi with a sahih isnaad and says this is a direct hadith from Rasulullah (Sallallaahu Álayhi Wasallam ) and has made it clear that a woman must cover everything including the face and hands!)

Abu Dawood Book 14, Hadith # 2482
Narrated Thabit ibn Qays (Radhiallaahu Ánhu): A woman called Umm Khallad came to the Prophet (Sallallaahu Álayhi Wasallam) while she was veiled. She was searching for her son who had been killed (in the battle) Some of the Companions of the Prophet (Sallallaahu Álayhi Wasallam) said to her: You have come here asking for your son while veiling your face? She said: If I am afflicted with the loss of my son, I shall not suffer the loss of my modesty. Rasulullah (Sallallaahu Álayhi Wasallam) said: You will get the reward of two martyrs for your son. She asked: Why is that so, oh Prophet of Allah? He replied: Because the people of the Book have killed him.

Abu Dawood Book 32, Hadith # 4090
Narrated Umm Salamah, Ummul Mu'minin (Radhiallaahu Ánha): When the verse "That they should cast their outer garments over their persons" was revealed, the women of Ansar came out as if they had crows over their heads by wearing outer garments.

Abu Dawood Book 32, Hadith # 4091
Narrated Aisha, Ummul Mu'minin (Radhiallaahu Ánha) "May Allah have mercy on the early immigrant women. When the verse "That they should draw their veils over their bosoms" was revealed, they tore their thick outer garments and made veils from them. Ibn Hajar Al-Asqalanee, who is known as Ameer Al-Mu'mineen in the field of Hadith, said that the phrase, "covered themselves", in the above Hadith means that they "covered their faces". [Fath Al-Bari].

Imaam Malik's MUWATTA Book 20 Hadith # 20.5.16
Yahya related to me from Malik from Hisham ibn Urwa that Fatima bint al-Mundhir (Radhiallaahu Ánha) said, "We used to veil our faces when we were in Ihram in the company of Asma bint Abi Bakr As-Siddiq (Radhiallaahu Ánha). "This again proves that not only the wives of Rasulullah (Sallallaahu Álayhi Wasallam) wore the Niqaab and that even though in Ihram women are not supposed to wear Niqaab but if men are there they still have to cover the face.

Abu Dawood Book 10, Hadith # 1829
Narrated Aisha, Ummul Mu'minin: (Radhiallaahu Ánha) who said, "The riders would pass us while we were with the Messenger of Allah (Sallallaahu Álayhi Wasallam). When they got close to us, we would draw our outer cloak from our heads over our faces. When they passed by, we would uncover our faces.
Recorded by Ahmad, Abu Dawood and Ibn Majah, Narrated 'Aisha. [In his work Jilbab al-Marah al-Muslimah, al-Albani states (p. 108) that it is hasan due to corroborating evidence. Also, in a narration from Asma {who was not the wife of Rasulullah (Sallallaahu Álayhi Wasallam)}, Asma also covered her face at all times in front of men.] Shaikh Ibn Uthaimin in his tafseer of this hadith explains "This hadith indicates the compulsion of the concealing of the faces as an order of Shariah, because during the Ihram it is "wajib" (compulsory) NOT to wear the Niqaab. So if it was only mustahab (recommended) to cover the face then Aisha and Asma (Radhiallaahu Ánha) would have taken the wajib over the mustahab. It is well known by the Ullima that a wajib can only be left because of something that is also wajib or fardh. So Aisha and Asma (Radhiallaahu Ánha) covering the face even in Ihram in the presence of strange (ghairMahraam) men shows that they understood this to be an act that was wajib or fardh or they would not have covered the face in Ihraam.

Sahih Al-Bukhari Volume 7, Book 72, Hadith # 715
Narrated 'Ikrima (Radhiallaahu Ánhu) narrates "Rifa'a divorced his wife whereupon 'AbdurRahman bin Az-Zubair Al-Qurazi married her. 'Aisha said that the lady (came), wearing a green veil." It is a very long hadith but the point is the women of Sahaba wore the full veil.

Sahih Al-Bukhari Volume 1, Book 8, Hadith # 347
Narrated Um 'Atiya (Radhiallaahu Ánha) We were ordered (by Rasulullah '(Sallallaahu Álayhi Wasallam) to bring out our menstruating women and veiled women in the religious gatherings and invocation of Muslims on the two 'Eid festivals. These menstruating women were to keep away from their Musalla. A woman asked, "O Allah's Apostle ' What about one who does not have a veil (the veil is the complete cover with only one eye or two eyes showing)?" He said, "Let her share the veil of her companion." Shaikh Ibn Uthaimin in tafseer of this hadith explained "This hadith proves that the general norm amongst the women of the Sahaba (Radhiallaahu Ánhuma)was that no woman would go out of her home without a cloak, fully concealed and if she did not posses a veil, then it was not possible for her to go out. it was for this reason that when Rasulullah (Sallallaahu Álayhi Wasallam) ordered them to go to the Place for Eid Salah, they mentioned this hindrance. As a result Rasulullah (Sallallaahu Álayhi Wasallam) said that someone should lend her a veil, but did not say they could go out without it. If Rasulullah (Sallallaahu Álayhi Wasallam) did not allow women to go to a place like the Eid Salah, which has been ordered by Shariah for women and men alike, then how can people let women to out to market places and shopping centers without where there is open intermingling of the sexes, without a veil. (by Shaikh Ibn Uthaimin in the book "Hijaab" page # 11)

Sahih Al-Bukhari Volume 8, Book 76, Hadith # 572
In the end of this very long hadith it quotes Anas (Radhiallaahu Ánho) rates from Rasulullah (Sallallaahu Álayhi Wasallam) "and if one of the women of Paradise looked at the earth, she would fill the whole space between them (the earth and the heaven) with light, and would fill whatever is in between them, with perfume, and the veil of her face is better than the whole world and whatever is in it." This show that even the women of Junnah have veils and the word veil is what covers the face (niqaab).

Abu Dawood Book 33, Hadith # 4154, Agreed upon by Nasai
Aisha(Radhiallaahu Ánha) narrates that on one occasion a female Muslim wanted to give a letter to the Holy Prophet (Sallallaahu Álayhi Wasallam), the letter was delivered to the Holy Prophet (Sallallaahu Álayhi Wasallam) from behind a curtain.
Note: Quoted in the famous book Mishkaat. Here the Mufasereen of hadith have explained that the hadith where women came up to Rasulullah (Sallallaahu Álayhi Wasallam) face to face were before the ayah "And when you ask (his wives) for anything you want, ask them from behind a screen, that is purer for your hearts and for their hearts." (Surah AlAhzâb ayah # 53) And this hadith proves this order is for the whole Ummah not just for the wives of Rasulullah (Sallallaahu Álayhi Wasallam)!

Abu Dawood Book 2, Hadith # 0641
Narrated Aisha, Ummul Mu'minin (Radhiallaahu Ánha) "Rasulullah (Sallallaahu Álayhi Wasallam) said "Allah does not accept the prayer of a woman who has reached puberty unless she wears a veil."

Sahih Al-Bukhari Volume 9, Book 89, Hadith # 293
Narrated 'Aisha (Radhiallaahu Ánha) Utba bin Abi Waqqas said to his brother Sa'd bin Abi Waqqas, "The son of the slave girl of Zam'a is from me, so take him into your custody." So in the year of Conquest of Mecca, Sa'd took him and said. (This is) my brother's son whom my brother has asked me to take into my custody." 'Abd bin Zam'a got up before him and said, (He is) my brother and the son of the slave girl of my father, and was born on my father's bed." So they both submitted their case before Rasulullah (Sallallaahu Álayhi Wasallam). Sa'd said, "O Allah's Apostle! This boy is the son of my brother and he entrusted him to me." 'Abd bin Zam'a said, "This boy is my brother and the son of the slave girl of my father, and was born on the bed of my father." Rasulullah(Sallallaahu Álayhi Wasallam) said, "The boy is for you, O 'Abd bin Zam'a!" Then Rasulullah (Sallallaahu Álayhi Wasallam) further said, "The child is for the owner of the bed, and the stone is for the adulterer," Rasulullah (Sallallaahu Álayhi Wasallam) then said to Sauda bint Zam'a, "Veil (screen) yourself before him," when he saw the child's resemblance to 'Utba. The boy did not see her again till he met Allah. note: This hadith proves Rasulullah (Sallallaahu Álayhi Wasallam) did infact order the veil to be observed.