Denmark fines woman $156 for wearing face veil after banning burqa, niqab

[prashantazazel]

Hindutva bigot, a Muslim woman’s choice of thread is of absolute no concern to you.

We don’t tell Hindu women how to dress, so mind your manners. Behave as a guest which you are.

Don't confuse me with those weak hindutva characters.
I consider religious people as vermin, in need of some pesticide.

 

[Super Falcon]

what a hypcracy a woman in ksa caught against govt demonstation west supported the right of humanity etc

Now here they are fining woman just to follow her faith and religion what type of duplicity no human rights here


West is responsible for all this mess in our planet

 

[I.R.A]

For Sunni Muslims

There is no such thing as sunni Muslim .......... its Muslim ......... or sunni

In fact we don’t consider Muslims who reject Hadith as Muslims due to seeing it as rejection of prophethood.

You must have some divine decree to back this, do you?

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

There is no such thing as sunni Muslim .......... its Muslim ......... or sunni




You must have some divine decree to back this, do you?

Ahlus Sunnah wa Al Jamaa'ah is also known as orthodox Islam or Sunni Islam. There are four accepted mazhabs (schools of thought.) Fifth if you include Shia Ithna Ashari Jafari mazhab. All these schools deem Muslims who reject Hadith as Non-Muslims. Proof for the Sunnah is in the Quran.

"Whoever obeys the Messenger has obeyed Allah." (Surat an-Nisa`: 80)

You should accept whatever the Messenger gives you and abandon whatever he tells you to abandon. Have taqwa of Allah... (Surat al-Hashr: 7)

O you who believe, obey Allah, the Messenger, and those in command among you. If you disagree about something, refer it back to Allah and the Messenger, if you believe in Allah and the Last Day. That is the best thing to do and gives the best result. (Surat an-Nisa`: 59)

When Allah and His Messenger have decided something, no believing man or woman has a choice about [following or not following] it. Anyone who disobeys Allah and His Messenger is clearly misguided. (Surat al-Ahzab: 36)

But if anyone opposes the Messenger after the guidance has become clear to him, and follows a path other than that of the believers, We will hand him over to whatever he has turned to, and We will roast him in Hell. What an evil destination! (Surat an-Nisa`: 115)
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I hope this clears it up. Please don't ask me to go on further with this as religious discussion is not allowed and this is post is veering off topic.

 

[I.R.A]

I hope this clears it up. Please don't ask me to go on further with this as religious discussion is not allowed and this is post is veering off topic.

No this twisted version of understanding doesn't clear up anything but paves way for sects, labelled as different schools of thought ........ sects and sectarianism is not Islam. And anything that promotes and encourages division is Khariji material, concocted and propagated to mislead pious innocent Muslims who have lost their thinking abilities and rationality.

Why shouldn't I ask you when you with simple two liners excluded me from fold of Islam.

All the proof you represented are clear instructions to Muslims of that time, to support and obey the Messenger Peace be upon him, who happened to be the leader. Simple.

In Islam, apart from Quran, whosoever is bringing anything else as word of ALLAH should at least try reading the books of traditions himself. Which you apparently haven't. Many of the traditions are not even associated with Messenger as His direct sayings, but Ayesha May ALLAH be pleased with her, said this, Abu Huraira (who, if he ever existed, only spent two and half years with Messenger) said that

Ahlus Sunnah wa Al Jamaa'ah is also known as orthodox Islam or Sunni Islam. There are four accepted mazhabs (schools of thought.) Fifth if you include Shia Ithna Ashari Jafari mazhab. All these schools deem Muslims who reject Hadith as Non-Muslims. Proof for the Sunnah is in the Quran.

Sects, all of them, and you rightly call them Mazhab because Islam is deen and not a mazhab.

 

[jamahir]

You told me in a previous thread that you don’t identify as a Muslim.

Where did I say that?? Can you quote that post??

If so, why the problem with burqa? Let us Muslims decide that.

You haven't responded to the Egyptian member of parliament who has found the burqa to be a Jewish tradition.

I took the time to quote the article.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

Sects, all of them, and you rightly call them Mazhab because Islam is deen and not a mazhab.

In Arabic, the word مذهب means school of thought, not religion as in Urdu.

Where did I say that?? Can you quote that post??

Earlier, you said you are only cultural and you do not believe in Islam. You can correct me if I am wrong.

 

[Menace2Society]

Wearing a clothing item like a burqa in public is a mental disorder. Instead of fining them, give them therapy.

Also put any men in their family on terror watchlist. Mental issues and religion don't mix well.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

You haven't responded to the Egyptian member of parliament who has found the burqa to be a Jewish tradition.

I took the time to quote the article.

I don’t bother myself with heterodox interpretations. My religion is based on the authentic sources of Islam, Quran and Hadith.

What Egypt or KSA does is of little concern for me.

@jamahir Seriously, what’s with the rabid hate of Tabligh? What kind of experiences have you had with them?

 

[jamahir]

Earlier, you said you are only cultural and you do not believe in Islam. You can correct me if I am wrong.

Ah that.

I had said I am a Political Muslim and not a Cultural Muslim.

Islam is an older socialist movement and not just a new way of saying prayer.

For example, the Islami inheritance laws are intelligent laws.

Islam was a shining path when it was revealed/came about.

I don’t bother myself with heterodox interpretations. My religion is based on the authentic sources of Islam, Quran and Hadith.

From what little I know of the Hadees', there can be contradictions between Quranic texts and some Hadees matters. The Hadees works are after all interpretations.

What we must see is if a particular Hadees text agrees with common sense or not.

When quoting Islam, I also look at whether proper Muslim leaders ( like Nasser, Gaddafi etc ) would have accepted or rejected something.

What Egypt or KSA does is of little concern for me.

Well, Saudia is no champion of Islam. It is a creation of Western governments.

@jamahir Seriously, what’s with the rabid hate of Tabligh? What kind of experiences have you had with them?

I find them cunning and untrustworthy.

And allow me to quote one of their misplaced priorities.

In 2013 ( I think ) the Tableeghis among the Muslims working in IBM-India ( Indian branch of the American company IBM ) fought for allowance of prayer time and prayer place in their office. What they should have done is fight for an employee union for all employees, Muslim or not. They should have taken the right type of leadership.
They could have created the first employee union in the Indian IT industry. But they did not. They fought for prayer timing and place.

In 2014, IBM's management decided to remove thousands of IBM-India employees at once, without even a three month notice period. It was a massacre. Had the employees ( in particular the Muslims among them ) had an employee union they could have prevented this unjust move. The removed employees had all types of employees, Tableeghis, other Muslims and non-Muslims.

Now you tell me whether prayers came of help to the employees.

Secondly, had an employee union been created by the Muslims in IBM, there would been created a favorable opinion about them amongst the other employees.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

Ah that.

I had said I am a Political Muslim and not a Cultural Muslim.

Islam is an older socialist movement and not just a new way of saying prayer.

For example, the Islami inheritance laws are intelligent laws.

Islam was a shining path when it was revealed/came about.

Oh, ok. My mistake. Glad to hear that you are a Muslim.

Out of curiosity, do you have any relatives or family members who wear niqab?

I have some who wear it on a temporary basis when outside the home. No one forced them to do it. Quite the contrary.

Many Pakistanis (men esp) actually openly try to discourage wearing of niqab or burqa saying it’s too much. This is a cultural thing.

Women on the other hand don’t seem to have much problem of someone else wears it. Most Pakistani women will actually cover their face with a dupatta for a temporary makeshift niqab when passing through an area with a lot of males.

 

[Peaceful Civilian]

Their country their rules!!

 

[jamahir]

Out of curiosity, do you have any relatives or family members who wear niqab?

I have some who wear it on a temporary basis when outside the home. No one forced them to do it. Quite the contrary.

I have a widowed cousin who is a teacher in a Urdu medium school in another town. She wears it when travelling to her school.

Some older relatives also wear it.

Actually all this burqa wearing wasn't there about 15 or so years ago.

Many Pakistanis (men esp) actually openly try to discourage wearing of niqab or burqa saying it’s too much. This is a cultural thing.

That's good.

Women on the other hand don’t seem to have much problem of someone else wears it. Most Pakistani women will actually cover their face with a dupatta for a temporary makeshift niqab when passing through an area with a lot of males.

That is understandable, I think.

In India ( and also in Pakistan I will say ), there are large numbers of males who loiter around in public places being nuisance. The females would naturally feel uncomfortable.

What is needed for South Asian males is putting their energies into creating progressive societies.

 

[Tiberius]

We have a little Mussolini here.

Mussolini is soft compared to my ideology.

 

[Avicenna]

Mussolini is soft compared to my ideology.

Good luck with that.