Democracy is a failed experiment

[888jamie888]

They looted India. Did the same in most of the empire, unless of course the residents were white. Its good to see the mentality people like 888jamie888 have. It just reconfirms the mindset these people have

The inventions/discoveries we made make up for all of that. You can thank us for the computer sitting in front of you.

 

[huzihaidao12]

Whatever. I'm fine with what they did, in my opinion they did far more good than bad.

Really, I am not surprised, sure, they give you good, I just want you to remember this point, there are other countries people do not feel so good for the colonized, of course, Chinese people do not feel good for the drug war.

 

[huzihaidao12]

The past colonial british empire might have taken the resouces of its colonies, i dont know how much it was as i dont have any figures, but to say taht today britain is rich because it stole others' wealth in the past is totally wrong, they started colonizing areound the world whille they were already one of the richest naation on earth. Dont forget that britain was/is the most advanced nation in the world with countless number of inventions, discoveries, innovations in every single field, this itself made sure that britain become rich, it is simple logic, if you have skills, and knowlege, then people need you and you get rich, this can be applied in our personal lives as well. Look at america, people say that they went to iraq for oil to plunder, i again dont want to comment on it as i dont know if they stole anything or not, but they were richest nation for very long time even before these wars.

So that if the West did not go to plunder the wealth from the developing countries, then they will not get enough of the original accumulation of capital for the industrial revolution. Well, I do not want dragged into other things, just focus on the subject, my view is that developing countries want to get rid of their own destiny, the only way is to become the industrial countries, so development is the most critical theme in developing countries, as long as it can achieve, no matter what form, but democracy is a mere formality, ande the past history has proven that democracy has failed in almost all developing countries.

 

[huzihaidao12]

The inventions/discoveries we made make up for all of that. You can thank us for the computer sitting in front of you.

You need to thank China for the Compass \ powder \ movable type \ papermaking, or China can give you better things in the future, China could have a drug war on the United Kingdom, resulting in disaster for your people? Or if the alien has to have better technology, you are willing to be their slaves, you and your family are willing to bear all the disasters in their conquest of the process?

Sir, no one denies that Western technology to the benefit of mankind, but it is best not to beautify the disaster, if you do not want our children to inherit this value.

 

[huzihaidao12]

Okay fair enough, but is that one protest representative of the rest?

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Villagers protest Chinese incinerator
About 100 villagers on Monday protested the construction of a garbage incinerator in southern China, alleging several residents have already become sick from pollution from another trash-burning facility in the area.

By WILLIAM FOREMAN

Associated Press Writer

GUANGZHOU, China —
About 100 villagers on Monday protested the construction of a garbage incinerator in southern China, alleging several residents have already become sick from pollution from another trash-burning facility in the area.

Waste disposal is becoming a contentious issue as crowded China tries to find new places to dump garbage. Citizens have become more environmentally conscious, more worried about their health and property - and more willing to protest.

Monday's protesters came from the village of Likeng, where people have long complained that an incinerator in the area was causing cancer and other illnesses. They were angry that the government had begun building another incinerator in the village, in the northern part of the booming city of Guangzhou.

Carrying small white protest signs, the 100 or so demonstrators tried to march close to the Guangdong provincial government's headquarters. But scores of police boxed them in and then corralled them off with crime scene tape on the sidewalk across from the government building.

"The government refuses to listen to the people. We don't want another incinerator because we know the one we have now is killing people," said a protester who would only give her surname, Chen. "At night, we don't dare open our windows because the air is so bad."

The government has repeatedly said the incinerator was safe. An official who observed Monday's protest told the AP the villagers' complaints were being considered.

"The city will handle this matter in a proper way. We just hope everyone will be calm and reasonable," said the official, who would only give his surname, Hu, and declined to say which department he worked for.

On Sunday, about 400 people protested the construction of another incinerator in the Gaoming district of Foshan, a city next to Guangzhou, the state-run Southern Daily newspaper reported Monday.

Demonstrators have also been active in Guangzhou's southern Panyu district, where officials recently decided to delay an incinerator project so that they could do more environmental tests and public consultation.


EastSouthWestNorth: Southern Metropolis Daily Coverage of Panyu Garbage Incinerator Protest
[Note: The significance of this report was that Southern Metropolis Daily had a reporter sending back reports periodically from the scene to be published on their websites. Then after about two hours, the reporting was cut off and the web page was eliminated, as was the case with other websites which carried that report. Thus, this report can no longer be found, but it exists here in English translation as historical documentation.]

(YCWB.com) November 23, 2009.

9:00am: More than 200 citizens have already gathered at the scene. Some citizens are handing out leaflets which contain information on the carcinogenic effects of garbage incineration that they have gathered themselves. Some citizens who intend to file petitions are filling out the forms and getting instructions on how to fill. The reporter saw someone crouching on the ground while trying to write. Several citizens raised placards that said: "We do not want to be represented."

It is noteworthy that there are some citizens here who came to support the construction of the garbage-burning electricity generator stations. Our reporter found out that these are citizens who live near garbage landfills. They have suffered from the pollution from garbage landfills and they want to see an alternative.

9:10am. The reporter saw citizens raising placards to protest that the relevant departments are preventing them from hiring buses to come here to protest. The petitioning process is beginning. A woman called from the dais to tell people to proceed.

According to information, each petition sheet can have only five names. Some citizens were complaining because they could not get a hold of a petition sheet.

9:30am. The reporter observed citizens chanting slogans: We oppose the construction of garbage incinerators; Protect the earth. More and more people joined in the chanting. The security guards are dispersed outside the crowd. The scene is still quite orderly.

The police has set up a blue warning line to keep people inside the petition area. People are asked not to step past the warning line. But under strong protest from the people, the warning line on the right has been removed by the police.

9:50am. The reporter observed citizens changing to new slogans: We oppose bureaucratism; Listen to the people's voices. More and more people are in the petition area. The plaza in front of the petition building is very crowded. People are forming a circle in front of the building and chanting slogans.

Because the citizens were orderly and kept within the designated zone, traffic on Jiefangbei Road has not been affected. Compared to the crowded scene outside the petition building, the lobby seemed relatively deserted.

10:00am. The citizens' slogan becomes: Respect public opinion. A photographer has just climbed up to a high point to take photos. The crowds turned towards him and chant loudly.

The reporter saw that the citizen with the gas mask has steam all over the goggles.

10:20am. Some citizens call for people to go to the city government building to express their opinons. The crowd moved forward toward the city government building. A citizen said that the petition process allows only three to five persons at a time. So they cannot wait any longer and they want to go directly to express their opinions to the city government. The citizens lined up and headed towards the city government building. The police officers and security guards responsible for maintaining order did not stop them. Many citizens are making photocopies of signs. The photocopy shop owner said that the copies will be for free.

10:30am. The reporter followed the crowd to the city government building. The place is already filled with slogan-chanting people: We oppose garbage incineration; protect our green Guangzhou. A warning line has been been quickly set up in front of the building entrance in order to maintain public order.

This urban management petition event saw many more petitioners than usual. Ever since the the city management committee was set up with the department of environmental protection under it, the proposed Panyu garbage incineration plant project is the biggest problem so far. On the day when the city management committee came into being, November 23 was the day when the bureau chief assumes his job along with the department of environment protection in attendance. The director Li Tinggui said that that day will be used to gather public opinion about the garbage disposal plans in Guangzhou as well as the plan to build a garbage-incinerating electricity-generating plant in Panyu.

According to information, the originally planned urban management committee reception at People's Park today will be postponed one month to December 23. This will be the first large-scale reception of petitions by the urban management committee. At that time, the custom is to have the urban management committee top leader handle the petitioners in person.

 

[huzihaidao12]

Well, the news from the public, I do not see any so-called crackdown on the protesters, the government may dispatch police to prevent escalation, but I do not see any real crackdown.

 

[huzihaidao12]

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Shanghai residents protest to airplane noise.
Update：2011-4-8 11:18:19　Views：61


RESIDENTS living near Hongqiao International Airport put up banners and flags on their balconies yesterday to protest the new minimum altitude for airplanes.

For about five years, thousands of residents living in Minhang District's Huacao Town, 3 kilometers from the airport, have endured the loud noise airplanes make as they fly right above their homes every few minutes.

Now with the regional aviation authority releasing news on Wednesday that planes will be allowed to fly at lower altitudes - 7,800 meters as opposed to the previous 8,400 meters - residents fear the noise pollution will worsen.

The angry residents living in the "Golden Xijiao" complex on Beidi Road, Huacao, have even gone door to door asking others to join them in an anti-airport noise campaign to be held tomorrow.

The organizers said they would work in groups to protest the new policy by sitting or sleeping at Hongqiao airport's Terminal 2 tomorrow.

In response, the regional air traffic authority tried to ease their worries as they said yesterday the policy change would only affect planes on their routes high above the ground and would have almost no impact when planes land.

Many residents said they won't believe officials until the noise problem is fixed.

"This is murder," said a 60-year-old resident surnamed Chen. "Some of my neighbors and I have heart diseases and high blood pressure thanks to the noise from airplanes and now they are going to kill us by lowering the flight altitude."

Chen said the residents feared the lower flight altitude because of an accident that occurred on September 28. He said a cargo plane from Russia almost hit his building as its wheels scratched the rooftop while landing.

More than 200 residents demonstrated that night on Beidi Road, blocking traffic for hours, Chen said.

 

[lem34]

Well in the UK the police were criticized for not being tough enough. But that is far better than what is happening in Syria where civilians are being gunned down.
I don't think they can be compared though, the rioters in the UK did not really have an aim, only to get a free TV. Whereas the Syrians want change.

I thought they were tough enough actually

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It is only one out of many signs of a robust democracy. But China is not a democracy and this is your deception. A true democracy is when there are LEGAL opposition parties, not that there are protests. In the US, the Communist Party is a LEGAL entity. So legal that it was able to rent a conference hall in the bastion of capitalism: New York City.

True democracy is one that is approved by america eg saudies etc

 

[huzihaidao12]

China: Wuxi's 5,000 workers on strike to protest at gas poisoning incident

China: Wuxi's 5,000 workers on strike to protest at gas poisoning incident
China: Wuxi's 5,000 workers on strike to protest at gas poisoning incident
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Text of report by Hong Kong Information Centre for Human Rights and Democracy on 8 May

[Unattributed report: "Jiangsu Wixu's 5,000 Workers Stage Strike, Block Traffic Over Gas Posisoning Incident"]

The Information Centre for Human Rights and Democracy [ICHRD] has learned that yesterday 5,000 workers of Wuxi's Nikon Imaging (China) Company Ltd. collectively staged a strike and blocked traffic around South Changjiang Road in Wuxi's New Area to demonstrate their dissatisfaction with the authorities' handling of the poisonous gas incident; this has been confirmed to us by the local police station and hospital.

ICHRD has learned that on 29 April some unknown gas was reported in the company's factory area, which caused discomfort and hospitalization of over 50 workers; from 29 April to 6 May, some workers were still sickened by the odor of the poisonous gas; the company's staff and workers suspected that sulphur dioxide in the factory's workshop was the cause of the workers' poisoning; however on 6 May Wuxi New Area government said that the workers' poisoning was caused by the wafting of poisonous gas from other companies to the factory. Nikon employees were strongly upset by the New Area government's shielding of Nikon Company; starting yesterday morning 5,000 Nikon employees collectively staged a strike and blocked traffic on South Changjiang Road to stage demonstration, which lasted from around 0900 hours till 1500 hours and caused traffic congestion. The police station in charge of the industrial parks in New Area has confirmed the demonstration to us; a public security personnel at the police station said no more workers were blocking traffic or demonstrating today, a day off for the company. We telephoned New Area Hospital's fourth floor in-patient department and the doctor said that eight workers were very seriously poisoned; they would fall after walking for a few steps and the cause of the poisoning was sulphur dioxide. ICHRD has learned that over 50 employees felt discomfort and vomited when they were on graveyard shift in the same workshop at 0100 hours on 29 April; all eight hospitalized workers are from the same workshop; therefore New Area environmental protection department was obviously shielding Nikon Company by claiming that the poisoning was caused by poisonous gas wafting from other companies; in handling environmental protection issues caused by large foreign-funded enterprises, most local governments in China are shielding the enterprises' interests instead of the employees' or residents' interests; besides, China does not allow the establishment of independent trade unions; workers who step forward to fight for this right will definitely be fired.

According to Nikon's own data, the wholly-owned plant of Japan Nikon Company Ltd. in China was established in 2002 with an investment of $96 million and more than 5,000 workers; the factory primarily produces digital cameras and camera lenses.

[Dated] 8 May 2010

Source: Information Centre for Human Rights and Democracy, Hong Kong, in Chinese 8 May 10

 

[lem34]

Of course they were suppressed. And do not be deceived by the argument that these protests were over economic issues instead of political. Economics and politics are inextricably linked. You give someone economic freedoms, eventually he will demand political freedoms to live his economic life as he sees fit.

And americans have the final say cos they are the judges of the world

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

The inventions/discoveries we made make up for all of that. You can thank us for the computer sitting in front of you.

You guys made these inventions only to benefit yourselves for the primary reason.

For the same reason, are you willing to be enslaved by the alien race if they have more superior technology?

 

[lem34]

The lack of violent protests in the US has been absurdly 'reasoned' that the US is a dictatorship of the worst kind. That argument is intellectually dishonest in the worst way.

The US and China are polar opposites. In the US, we have rights and freedoms that the Chinese can only dream about. So whatever rights and freedoms the Chinese have whenever they were granted, they would cling to what was gained just as hard as we would cling to our rights and freedoms that was granted in the US Constitution. The difference here is that the Chinese citizenry is used to experiencing violence at the hands of the state whenever they made even a peep about the scant rights and freedoms they have while we in the US do not expect such violence from the government. We do not need to protest in a violent manner. The Chinese citizenry do.

Lack of protests in america is due to press being controlled by a few with vested interests

 

[fd24]

The inventions/discoveries we made make up for all of that. You can thank us for the computer sitting in front of you.

Your dimness is shining through like a beacon. My computer was made in China.
Can you stick to the thread young man and not go off at a tangent. Many thanks

 

[huzihaidao12]

However, given the complexity of China, if some local governments to excessive use of force, it is also possible.

By the way, all the above information, you can find in the Chinese news media.

 

[lem34]

Haha no we never had any "real democracy" in Hong Kong, and especially not under the British.

Today, Beijing makes the high appointments, and personally I am happy with that.

(Except for Tung Chee Hwa, that guy was an ***, and we ended up forcing him out of office.)

Did you notice that whilst the uk had honk kong they never talked about democracy for honk kong but when the time was up to hand back leased property they were whining about wanting democracy to be introduced.