Delivery of PAA AH-1Z postponed !

[LeGenD]

USA has sold F-35 aside from NATO countries. Israel was their first customer Bro. Now you said USA will do it for money and If it only happens for money why is F-35 not in KSA? These are all excuses bro no matter which ever way you take it. US south Asia policy is to starve Pakistan into submission and that is where USA made its mistake.

Please be realistic.

My dear,

F-35 production lines are really busy, and Lockheed Martin is to fulfill orders of the ORIGINAL customer base first. KSA and UAE will have to wait because they were not involved in this program in any capacity, and it is possible that US will offer these two customized solutions for their specific needs.

Pakistan needs to:

1. Fix the economy
2. Take no sides in the Cold Wars of superpowers - maintain working relationship with all great powers
3. Encourage American corporations to invest in Pakistan

Then see the difference.

Please understand that US - India relations are far from perfect as well.

[1] https://www.zdnet.com/article/recen...ump-cancels-5-6-billion-in-trade-concessions/

[2] https://foreignpolicy.com/2018/07/23/india-is-the-weakest-link-in-the-quad/

We should not feel insecure about our standing in global affairs. US and Pakistan aren't sworn enemies of each other. Come on...

 

[BHarwana]

Pakistan needs to:

1. Fix the economy
2. Take no sides in the Cold Wars of superpowers - maintain working relationship with all great powers
3. Encourage American corporations to invest in Pakistan

Then see the difference.

Please understand that US - India relations are far from perfect as well.

[1] https://www.zdnet.com/article/recen...ump-cancels-5-6-billion-in-trade-concessions/

[2] https://foreignpolicy.com/2018/07/23/india-is-the-weakest-link-in-the-quad/

We should not feel insecure about our standing in global affairs. US and Pakistan aren't sworn enemies of each other. Come on...

What Pakistan is doing:

1 Fixing it's economy
2 Ensuring peace returns to Afghanistan for regional stability
3 Buy a lot of defense equipment from China
4 Starting poverty elevation drive
5 Making sure American business are deprived of the countries resources
6 Neglecting US based defense equipment to ensure National interests are not compromised

The way you are explaining F-35's availablity you are trying to prove that there are no strings attached to American equipment but just look at Turkish case of F-35. The American defense comes at cost of politics.

 

[Ali_Baba]

slight misunderstanding here, "Turkish Birds" contain American parts which are not licensed to be sold to a country which USA is desperately trying to stitch-up (frame-up for sanctions) and turn into another Iraq etc.

NO ONE sells weapons to a country marked for destruction

There is an urgent need to weaken Pakistan in order for India to have a chance against it.

so no Vipers no t-129 or whatever else from any NATO country.

The Americans will go into overdrive now to undermine Pakistan, following their allies performance against Pakistan. There will be no new procurements, there will be a question mark over the supply of spare parts for existing systems.

Personally i hope Turkish systems come on line and are also effective, that will provide Pakistan with the military diversity of systems that Pakistan needs.

 

[doorstar]

Why Couldn't we can not jointly develop something like this or better then that with China & Turkey...

i hope Turkish systems come on line and are also effective, that will provide Pakistan with the military diversity of systems that Pakistan needs.

running with the hare and hunting with the hounds is just NOT logical.

Turkey is in NATO

 

[Zarvan]

If the AH-1Zs don't come ... maybe we should start talking to Turkey about the 10-ton attack helicopter?

Time to work on Z-10 with Chinese. They have developed a new engine get some Z-10 fitted with those engines and other changes you want and test them.

 

[YeBeWarned]

Aur uska engine bhai hahahhh

Bhai ap bina engine ke le lo , yahan se Yamaha ka nikal ker laga len gay
@Mentee ki bike waise bhi farigh hai aaj kal

 

[Tps43]

Bhai ap bina engine ke le lo , yahan se Yamaha ka nikal ker laga len gay
@Mentee ki bike waise bhi farigh hai aaj kal

@Mentee ki bike ko kiya hogiya abb
@Signalian

 

[YeBeWarned]

@Mentee ki bike ko kiya hogiya abb
@Signalian

Judge ki beti Bike lene thodi jayen gay
Careem Go+ keren gay bhai , aur @Khafee bhai 21 topon ki salami den gay

 

[Tps43]

Judge ki beti Bike lene thodi jayen gay
Careem Go+ keren gay bhai , aur @Khafee bhai 21 topon ki salami den gay

Careem mini bhai hahahaha

 

[YeBeWarned]

Careem mini bhai hahahaha

Bina AC wali car mai judge ki beti nai bhete gi
Mil-35 mai le ayen kia ?

 

[ziaulislam]

But those were Free Choppers. Every thing is nice when it comes free. Now we have to actually PAY for any Alternative

Bottom line...nothing is free

Pakistan spent more in pure military operations cost than it received back

CSF has more than 8b pending

 

[ShaikhKamal]

Why is Pakistan refusing to pay for them from national funds and wants to use payments from CSF and FMF ? Is that a negotiating tactic to receive the CSF funds cancelled by the USA ? We need these Bell AH-1Z Viper now against the potential threat at the Eastern border.

 

[LeGenD]

What Pakistan is doing:

1 Fixing it's economy
2 Ensuring peace returns to Afghanistan for regional stability
3 Buy a lot of defense equipment from China
4 Starting poverty elevation drive
5 Making sure American business are deprived of the countries resources
6 Neglecting US based defense equipment to ensure National interests are not compromised

1. Pakistan have been trying to fix its economy for a long time, to no avail.
2. Good move
3. Sure, but we should diversify our investments in this matter.
4. You think
5. What? McDonalds alone have created thousands of job in Pakistan. Not sure what is your beef with American corporations. Go and take a look at how many are active in China. Do you see Chinese crying about this?
6. We are cash-strapped, and cannot afford multi-billion dollar deals with US.

It is in Pakistan's national interests to have a working relationship with US, and WE HAVE TO WORK FOR THIS (diplomacy is a TWO-WAY street, always). Build your networks in US, start lobbying and see the difference. Why do you expect US to gravitate towards Pakistan ALL ON ITS OWN? Completely unrealistic and immature expectation.

The way you are explaining F-35's availablity you are trying to prove that there are no strings attached to American equipment but just look at Turkish case of F-35. The American defense comes at cost of politics.

The 'terms and conditions' factor exist for every business deal of substantial value in practical walks of life, and also between the states.

Turkey is a member of NATO bloc and it have its share of political stipulations. US evidently opposes Turkish acquisition of Russian S-400 systems because it does not want Turkey to create an environment in which Russians will be able to extract meaningful information in relation to F-35 while in Turkey. US offered its PAC-3 MSE system to Turkey (a superior alternative to S-400 system), but Turkey have rejected this offer. US is understandably irked and upset (I would be too if I was in its shoes).

Turkey can walk out of NATO bloc and be FREE to procure Russian JUNK, or come to terms with American offers as a member of NATO bloc. Turkey cannot have its cake and eat it too, my friend. Not fair game.

Talking about stipulations, do you think CPEC is FREE from stipulations? You know nothing John Snow.

Why do you think PTI-led government hired ExxonMobile to extract oil for Pakistan, and encouraged both KSA and Russia to invest in Pakistan? You might figure out WHY.

Hint: BALANCING

 

[zulu]

Nice post i also feel we kinda become paranoid not only about usa(seems bad habit pick from so much indian dealings about them it justifies) .Diplomacy is game of achieving mutual profit show other party too whats in it for them u will get an deal.We are surely working with China a lot (in next 10 years either we both go in separate ways considering our interests which can also be done by binding so much but still able to deal with others too all depends mutual interest/profits.Not all good and rosy in CPEC but it also fulfill our needs game is in balancing

1. Pakistan have been trying to fix its economy for a long time, to no avail.
2. Good move
3. Sure, but we should diversify our investments in this matter.
4. You think
5. What? McDonalds alone have created thousands of job in Pakistan. Not sure what is your beef with American corporations. Go and take a look at how many are active in China. Do you see Chinese crying about this?
6. We are cash-strapped, and cannot afford multi-billion dollar deals with US.

It is in Pakistan's national interests to have a working relationship with US, and WE HAVE TO WORK FOR THIS (diplomacy is a TWO-WAY street, always). Build your networks in US, start lobbying and see the difference. Why do you expect US to gravitate towards Pakistan ALL ON ITS OWN? Completely unrealistic and immature expectation.


The 'terms and conditions' factor exist for every business deal of substantial value in practical walks of life, and also between the states.

Turkey is a member of NATO bloc and it have its share of political stipulations. US evidently opposes Turkish acquisition of Russian S-400 systems because it does not want Turkey to create an environment in which Russians will be able to extract meaningful information in relation to F-35 while in Turkey. US offered its PAC-3 MSE system to Turkey (a superior alternative to S-400 system), but Turkey have rejected this offer. US is understandably irked and upset (I would be too if I was in its shoes).

Turkey can walk out of NATO bloc and be FREE to procure Russian JUNK, or come to terms with American offers as a member of NATO bloc. Turkey cannot have its cake and eat it too, my friend. Not fair game.

Talking about stipulations, do you think CPEC is FREE from stipulations? You know nothing John Snow.

Why do you think PTI-led government hired ExxonMobile to extract oil for Pakistan, and encouraged both KSA and Russia to invest in Pakistan? You might figure out WHY.

Hint: BALANCING

 

[mingle]

@LeGenD and me always have similar views on US pak relationship. I believe we will get chopper but we need to work more over defense sector no issue from US issue unless we have money .