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From higher cost, you came to Western Ghats and made them seem like culprit.
Still not able to translate these so called ghats responsible for being 4 times more expensive versus Mumbai Ahmadabad route.
Now to stupid theory of western Ghats:
IR knows better than you about these Ghats or the surrounding geology. Because they ply their trains day in day out.
Despite that IR came with the following national Diamond Quadrilateral:
Are they stupid or you know better than them?
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On to stupid Western Ghat red herring again:
Japan is a renowned earthquake prone nation whose terrain is 68% mountainous, as is the case of Norway. Despite this natural handicap, Japan plies its Shinkansen (Japanese word for high speed trains) every day of the year, non stop from dusk to dawn, for which Japan is known as Mecca of high speed trains. But India/Pune can not, because it has Western Ghats
And your needle stuck in a groove on Western Ghats?
I understand that you want to push your point. But its futile against the facts, neither it is tenable.
Now skate around as before, but at your own peril.
I am done with you.
Do not engage with me further.
Because I have restrained you by ignoring you.
I do not hate lunatics, because its none of their fault to be one.
But intransigent people with tons of ego - Yes, I do willfully hate those people.
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Did I misunderstand this table? How can rail distance be less that Ariel? How can any distance be less than Ariel?The main costing is done per kilometer of track laid (track alone is responsible for around 85% of the project cost) beside few other factors and coaches.
Mumbai Pune distance:
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Currency ?? Lets not predict that would be better !!
Difference B/w US and Rest of world (Accept some Industrialized countries like japan, Germany)
What US manufacture nobody can so at what price they sell everyone has to buy after all choice is pay what they demand or empty Hands So, There currency gained that does not make any difference whereas In case of India and china they manufacture what almost 100 other countries can do, so to win orders our price should be cheep. This is by low Labour rates or devalue our currency. If our Currency go higher we loose all exports in fact end up Importing everything which we can produce means Industrial disaster.
You seriously Need a Doctor
LOL........ its better dumb@ss like you stop pretending to understand economics.
US is the global reserve and trade currency. THAT is how it funds its growth. But that age is coming to and end.
Euro had made itself an attractive reserve currency, but Euro recession has put a dampener to that plan.
The Yuan is now making inroads as a reserve currency and India is supporting that move. This will lead to a stronger Yuan and once they delink it from the USD it will gain in strength.
In the next 15-20 years, Indian Rupee will also make its as a Reserve currency in the global market. That will lead to automatic strengthening of the rupee. That is how global currency works, not my cheap labour and kinder grade economic theories
After talking to Retards like you , I agree
So you mean US currency is stronger because "US is the global reserve and trade currency" By printing Green Notes "THAT is how it funds its growth." not through there high Technology progress.
I see your Economics, Now dont quote me again.
Did I misunderstand this table? How can rail distance be less that Ariel? How can any distance be less than Ariel?
Here 'they' means we. If this thing is going to cost what a flight will cost, then we should also not expect a lakh people to travel on it. I am fine with public infrastructure projects getting constructed at breakeven or even a little less than break even, if millions are going to use it. But this thing, I am afraid is not that. We are not learning from other's lessons here. If we subsidize some regular passengers with an infrastructure project then it is fine. But subsidizing high cost railway, that too at a risky price should have been debated. Sadly we would have more discussion about stupid remarks by politicians than real issues like this in India.
Even USA is still considering whether high speed rail is profitable. Chinas bullet trains are said to be unprofitable for a long time now. And they have crushed their bleeding airlines more. Indian airline industry has only one profitable low-cost airline(I have no sympathy for them though). But my point is instead of spending money on creating alternatives for high cost travel, we can spend on projects targeting more number of people.
I think Delhi Mumbai route would have been a better choice coz Economics dictates that the connectivity between the 2 power centers of the economy should be the best
Ahemdabad is the Sixth most important Economic center after
Delhi-NCR
Mumbai
Bangalore
Chennai
Hyderabad
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I dont think bullet train will be useful for 100 km. A very short distance.The main costing is done per kilometer of track laid (track alone is responsible for around 85% of the project cost) beside few other factors and coaches.
Mumbai Pune distance:
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Mumbai Ahmedabad distance:
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Less KM = Less expense.
I dont think bullet train will be useful for 100 km. A very short distance.
If a bullet train is going to be laid on completely new tracks it is just like an airline with much more cost to build the route because land and infrastructure cost a lot. HSRs haven't been a success anywhere I know of. I will give you that flights have a higher environment impact. But the very definition of high speed rail means it will have few stops and far between. Compared to that flights have practically unlimited number of 'tracks' for any route between two cities. I have just shown you how HSR's are not efficiently connecting cities. Airways need only increase in hangar space and airport facilities. And aircraft can choose to switch routes anytime they want much easily without interfering with other flights in same route.Well, India is a country of Billion+ population. No one mode of transport is ever going to be sufficient.
Right now, it may make sense to fly lowcost airlines than to take HSR, but flights are never going to keep up with the projected growth in passenger travel and population explosion in the near future, let alone in the longer run. Besides, flights are not going to connect tier-2/tier-3 cities as efficiently as the HSR's. That is not even considering the environmental impact of hundreds of millions flying daily or the cost of petroleum that will inevitably go up.
HSR's are truly long term investments and are perfect for an overcrowded country like India in the long term. We will need multiple modes of transports - express ways, highways, slow trains, semi-high speeds, HSR's, flights, inland-waterways.
The longer we put such investments off, the more painful we are going to make it to ourselves. With the land acquisitions going to get a lot messier in future, today may be the best time to make these investments.
Besides, this may be the best deal we are going to get for sometime from Japan, which is still smarting from its earlier loss in Indonesia.
Again, almost interest-free loan is a really good offer. But not for building just about anything. In the end it is a loan and the budget for repayment will have to be pulled from other development programs. Our priorities should align with the projects.
For a comparison, we can buy 30 Airbus A380s(our low cost airliners use much cheaper jets than that) with 40 year lifetime with the same money and ferry them between Mumbai and Ahmedabad. My opinion is that the government should not venture into high cost travel/transport as yet. There are better things to do now. May be a couple of decades later.
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If a bullet train is going to be laid on completely new tracks it is just like an airline with much more cost to build the route because land and infrastructure cost a lot. HSRs haven't been a success anywhere I know of. I will give you that flights have a higher environment impact. But the very definition of high speed rail means it will have few stops and far between. Compared to that flights have practically unlimited number of 'tracks' for any route between two cities. I have just shown you how HSR's are not efficiently connecting cities. Airways need only increase in hangar space and airport facilities. And aircraft can choose to switch routes anytime they want much easily without interfering with other flights in same route.
But the very definition of high speed rail means it will have few stops and far between. Compared to that flights have practically unlimited number of 'tracks' for any route between two cities. I have just shown you how HSR's are not efficiently connecting cities. Airways need only increase in hangar space and airport facilities. And aircraft can choose to switch routes anytime they want much easily without interfering with other flights in same route.
Airways need only increase in hangar space and airport facilities. And aircraft can choose to switch routes anytime they want much easily without interfering with other flights in same route.
Land acquisitions will not be more of a problem in future. They may be costlier but the legal hurdles will come down dramatically with the new acquisition laws.
HSRs on separate tracks are not next generation, but just reinvention of wheel, just that this time it will be a much costly wheel throwing away centuries of investment on existing railways.
For a comparison, we can buy 30 Airbus A380s(our low cost airliners use much cheaper jets than that) with 40 year lifetime with the same money and ferry them between Mumbai and Ahmedabad. My opinion is that the government should not venture into high cost travel/transport as yet. There are better things to do now. May be a couple of decades later.
Dear Anant_s, have u read the technical details of this railway?There are procedures in place. Please also remember that wear and tear on track is not just a singular function of speed. More times worn out or unbalanced wheels along with sudden braking causes more damage.
Owing to high speed, HSTs are designed with significantly reduced unbalanced mass, resulting in not just smooth ride, but lesser maintenance too.