aaja. karle conquer .. hahaOnly Ghazwa-e-Hind and Allahu Akbar are acceptable for the Muslims.
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aaja. karle conquer .. hahaOnly Ghazwa-e-Hind and Allahu Akbar are acceptable for the Muslims.
@jamahir is actually a person who is very progressive in his thoughts actually. There will of course be things on which we might not agree on, just like it might be with you and me. In many ways, he is a staunch communist more than an extreme religious person. He is one of the few Indian Muslims on this forum that I can easily talk with without either of us getting insulted or something. Always very civil in his arguments as well.
In my opinion, and @jamahir , please chime in, most present Islamic scholars are too stubborn in their thinking. They dont want to apply historical text to present context. You cannot go by the letter but have to understand the spirit. Flowing water keeps it pure, stagnant water starts stinking.
For us India is our homeland
Bharat Mata ki Jai.
Vande Mararam.
Jai Hind.
Jai Sri Ram.
Ushta te.
Cheers, Doc
But how would it go well with Jai Hind. Can you come up with a slogan?
But just to let you know, during our Independence movement, all the 3 were popular slogans that was used by all communities.
anyone who uses religion as a shield to attack other is despicable
sure.. no one is saying dont follow Islam.. problem begins when you say Islam / Hinduism has asked you to attack and conquer.Religion may be a shield for you pagan Hindus but for Muslims it is our life.
We chant Islamic verses all day, we eat per Islamic teachings, we fight for Islam, we follow Islamic Law, We celebrate and propagate Islam.
It is very simple just ask these Islamists are they Indian first or muslim first you will get your answer.
I already know the answer so I don't bother to ask.
Jai Hind is also not acceptable for Muslims.
Muslims believe in the nation of Islam not in an artificial state called India.
Muslims should only chant Allahu Akbar
Then why do you chant "Kashmir banega Pakistan" if nation states are fake as per you.Muslims all over the world believe in the nation of Islam. It is the foundation of Islam. Nation states are fake.
sure.. no one is saying dont follow Islam.. problem begins when you say Islam / Hinduism has asked you to attack and conquer.
Sure.. do spread your message peacefully. When you use force and claim Allah has given you the authority for it, thats when you prove yourself to be despicable.We cannot allow people to live in ignorance called paganism. It is our duty and responsibility to bring the message of Allah (swt) to all non-believers.
Then why do you chant "Kashmir banega Pakistan" if nation states are fake as per you.
Sure.. do spread your message peacefully. When you use force and claim Allah has given you the authority for it, thats when you prove yourself to be despicable.
decide first.. nation is fake or real.. you are confused.Because India is not an Islamic nation. It our duty to bring India under Islam.
I will also chant Assam and West Bengal banega Bangladesh.
But even Pakistan, the host country of this very forum, has a national anthem.
National anthems are okay as long as the thing you desire is a common progressive political, social and economic system for all of humankind, whether on this world or another ( say Mars in the mid-2030s ).
decide first.. nation is fake or real.. you are confused.
So, as per you, by going against Islam's tenets of allowing everyone the right to education, Taliban is anti-Islamic, do you agree? Then why Islamic republic of Pakistan allies itself with anti-Islamic Taliban in Afghanistan? Pakistan should publicly denounce Taliban and cut all ties with it.
Quran was written in around 600 AD. The world has changed a lot since then. Many things were not even present at that time for Quran to pass judgement over them.
For example, electricity, technology, computers, space travel etc etc. You cannot find all answers in a 1400 year old book, however holy it is. You have to start applying your brains at some point.
aaja. karle conquer .. haha
I have tried to convince @PakistaniAtBahrain and one or two others here that progressive Muslim researchers and leaders in the past and now have tried to understand the context in which Islamic scripts were written and how to apply them in current situation.
For example, an Egyptian woman by name Amna Nosseir who was member of parliament and also a teacher researched and found that the burqa was really a Jewish culture garment that somehow found place in certain Muslim societies and got propagated to current time. The burqa has nothing to do with Islam.
Another example which I quoted to PakistaniAtBahrain was of Muammar Gaddafi who was a 'Hafiz', meaning one who has memorized the Quran and has understood it. And he was a socialist ( though not a communist ). There is no contradiction in being a Hafiz and being a modern socialist because Islam was a progressive movement in a line of progressive movements and thought, before Islam and after Islam.
If anything, PakistaniAtBahrain can find himself courted by Western intelligence agencies who want to subvert progressive Muslim movements and individuals. This has happened for decades, whether it was the in-Egypt-started Muslim Brotherhood or the FSA in Syria now.