Defeat of Sikh army and death of Hari Singh Nalwa in battle of Jamrud

[Trev]

Hun katon ron lap pyan?

My punjabi is broken since I'm not a freshie, speak English and we can continue this.

 

[RazPaK]

My punjabi is broken since I'm not a freshie, speak English and we can continue this.

@jatt+gutts

You were saying Pakistanis don't know how to speak Punjabi, but look at this kid. I bet he can speak hindi though. Oy teray mun te andaa!

 

[KingMamba]

hey dude your islam really is not a good religion.. its not us who is saying this.. go ask any non muslim person.. I know its hard to digest the truth for you.. but I wont go mud slinging on your religion.. that shabd I posted had changed my mood .. i m gonna listen to some kirtan.. you go read kuran.. ciao

How ironic, but ok neither is sikhism.

 

[jatt+gutts]

Even your youtube video shows influence of Islam on Sikhism, even in the title. Without Islam there would be no sikhism don't forget sikhism is just a mix mash of Islam and Hinduism by your gurus. Without even one of them there would be no sikhism and if both were so bad then sikhism cannot possibly be good because the apple never falls far from the tree.

The shabd is bhagat kabirs bani.. it has nothing Islamic about it.. but as I said Sikhism is improved religion over both islam and Hinduism. You can say it is like itzehad being done on islam and hinduism

@jatt+gutts

You were saying Pakistanis don't know how to speak Punjabi, but look at this kid. I bet he can speak hindi though. Oy teray mun te andaa!

yep just cause there are couple of like him who aint well versed in Punjabi so now we are similar to you pakistanis.. ch ch ch..

 

[RazPaK]

lol @Trev, another bhaiya pretending to be a punjabi.

 

[KingMamba]

The shabd is bhagat kabirs bani.. it has nothing Islamic about it.. but as I said Sikhism is improved religion over both islam and Hinduism. You can say it is like itzehad being done on islam and hinduism

As I pointed out already nothing but a farce. Lmao that is laughable and it is ijtihad the one time you need to use a j you use a z, typical.

 

[Jaggu]

That is incorrect, Sikhs did loot Punjabi Muslim and whenever Abdalis forces came to confront them they retreated into the hills.

Abdali invaded India not to attack Sikhs but to build his Afghan empire and also to oppose the rising Jats of Bharatpur and Marathas. At the time Punjab was being ruled by the Mughals not the Sikhs and the Sikhs were not on Abdali's radar screen. So when he invaded Punjab he fought against the Mughals, captured those lands from the Mughals. Rise of the Sikhs was the consequence of the disintegration of Mughal governance of Punjab and that is when the conflict between the Afghans and Sikhs began for the possession of Punjab.

 

[jatt+gutts]

As I pointed out already nothing but a farce. Lmao that is laughable and it is ijtihad the one time you need to use a j you use a z, typical.

you aint enlightened enough to get that.. bus j tay z vich he fassay reh gaye ho tussi...you know what .. first remove your Islamic glasses then maybe you might know reality of islam.. anyways I aint preaching you Sikhism here..

 

[KingMamba]

you aint enlightened enough to get that.. first remove your Islamic glasses then maybe you might know reality of islam.. anyways I aint preaching you Sikhism here..

Mr. 12oclock don't talk about enlightenment Lol and what about your sikh glasses? Anyway I already pointed out that sikhism failed in eliminating caste as today jatts and other sikhs do not even pray together not to mention when Brits came many mazhabi sikhs became christian because of the inequality. Besides that I don't see anything about sikhism that makes it enlightened like I said its just picked parts from Islam and Hinduism. Anyway this is not a religious forum so let us leave it be.

 

[jatt+gutts]

Mr. 12oclock don't talk about enlightenment Lol and what about your sikh glasses? Anyway I already pointed out that sikhism failed in eliminating caste as today jatts and other sikhs do not even pray together not to mention when Brits came many mazhabi sikhs became christian because of the inequality. Besides that I don't see anything about sikhism that makes it enlightened like I said its just picked parts from Islam and Hinduism. Anyway this is not a religious forum so let us leave it be.

Sikhism doest preach casteism. neither jatts are caste. its cultural not religious practice...whereas there are verses of slaying kafirs in kuran.. there is mention of right hand possession women..slaves etc.. I have read your kuran don't make me post verses here.

 

[Trev]

lol @Trev, another bhaiya pretending to be a punjabi.

Bhaiya? So I can't speak punjabi properly so I am therefore a bhaiyya? Nice logic, I'm probably still more punjabi then a person who follows an Arab religion LOL

 

[jatt+gutts]

Bhaiya? So I can't speak punjabi properly so I am therefore a bhaiyya? Nice logic, I'm probably still more punjabi then a person who follows an Arab religion LOL

yaara jey anni akal hundi tah muslay hee hunday Sikh naah hunday.

 

[KingMamba]

Abdali invaded India not to attack Sikhs but to build his Afghan empire and also to oppose the rising Jats of Bharatpur and Marathas. At the time Punjab was being ruled by the Mughals not the Sikhs and the Sikhs were not on Abdali's radar screen. So when he invaded Punjab he fought against the Mughals, captured those lands from the Mughals. Rise of the Sikhs was the consequence of the disintegration of Mughal governance of Punjab and that is when the conflict between the Afghans and Sikhs began for the possession of Punjab.

You are partially right but you forget or disregard that Abdali had been a part of Nader Shah's guard which had actually encountered Sikhs during his campaign in India (who ironically looted their baggage train on the way back to Iran) so to say Sikhs did not register on his radar would be false especially since Nader Shah himself had remarked that Sikhs would benefit greatly from his destruction of the Mughal state mechanisms. So Sikhs were not technically in charge correct but they were given a lot more leeway to come out of their hiding places after the Mughal defeat, Mughals still controlled Lahore but beyond that they had little control over Punjab or even Sindh infact Ahmad Shah marched unhindered up to Lahore because there was no other Mughal force around and after he defeated the Mughal army in Lahore both Punjab and Sindh were just ceded to him.

Your own Sikh sources attest to the fact that after Nader Shah's victory in Delhi Sikhs came out of jungles and looted many villages and outposts in Punjab that were before under the Mughals with ease. Who do you think were in these villages and why do you think Punjabi Muslims lamented for a return of Mughal rule?

Sikhism doest preach casteism. neither jatts are caste. its cultural not religious practice...whereas there are verses of slaying kafirs in kuran.. there is mention of right hand possession women..slaves etc.. I have read your kuran don't make me post verses here.

Its a religious practice of Hindus that sikhism failed to abolish despite claiming it had done so. Yes Quran talks about war which usually meant against non-Muslims your point? Quran mentions slaves because slavery was a common practice and so the treatment of slaves had to be addressed, again your point?

Bhaiya? So I can't speak punjabi properly so I am therefore a bhaiyya? Nice logic, I'm probably still more punjabi then a person who follows an Arab religion LOL

If you do not speak punjabi at all you probably are a bhaiyya literally.

Punjab now a land of Bihari 'sardars' - The Times of India

 

[RazPaK]

Bhaiya? So I can't speak punjabi properly so I am therefore a bhaiyya? Nice logic, I'm probably still more punjabi then a person who follows an Arab religion LOL

Can't speak Punjabi. Claims to be more Punjabi than me. Fail.

Wasn't one of your Gurus a follower of the arab religion?

 

[Icewolf]

Can't speak Punjabi. Claims to be more Punjabi than me. Fail.

Wasn't one of your Gurus a follower of the arab religion?

Their Guru, their whole culture is an illegitimate child of Hinduism and Islam. Yet they claim they are top... lolz