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Defeat of Sikh army and death of Hari Singh Nalwa in battle of Jamrud

O.K ,no historical records suggests that Durranis were looking down upon the Afghans who had settled in India, Abdali knew their value and worth . It seems you have watched tv series "the great marathas" in which it is depicted that abdali scold najib-ud-daula for his indian mannerisms (the show was quite comical and cant be taken seriously). Most of the Rohillas in 1761, were linguistically and culturally pashtuns, they assimiliated into urdu culture much later. They were like pashtun settlers of karachi. Their greatest leader, hafiz rahmat khan, who participated in panipat battle, is author of a pashto book.

Sorry to disappoint you but I have never watched it .watched tipu sultan on ptv :lol:
I read it somewhere maybe in a book by some British author but its true

This is not the only video, and this is well documented.



I am talking about average rural village life for chuhra sikhs. Not allowing them in jatt Gurdawaras and then giving lecture on equality in sikhsm is retarded.

Do you allow non Muslims to enter Mecca ?
 
According to this the British considered Sikh Jatts superior to other Jatts:
Some authorities hold, however, that the Jats are of Scythian
origin. Jats are divided into eastern and western. The eastern
Jats inhabit the eastern districts of the Punjab and United
Provinces. As a rule, only Hindus of eastern divisions are en-
listed for Jat regiments. They are mainly agriculturists, and
make most excellent farmers, rarely equal and never surpassed
by any class of peasantry in India for industry and skill.



These eastern Jats are of very fair physique, and their soldierly
qualities are undoubtedly great ; and though not so sturdy as
some of the other races of the Punjab, their claim to be regarded
as good fighting material is valid.*

The western Jats have largely taken to Mohammedanism and
Sikhism. The better classes of Sikhs are drawn from the Jat
and Khattris, the finest specimens being Jat Sikhs, who possess
all the virtues of the Jat of the Punjab, and many also developed
by Sikhism.

Those Jats who have changed from the Hindu faith to Islamism
and Sikhism have at the same time adopted the dietetic customs
of their new religion. Animal food, therefore, enters much more
largely into their dietaries than is the case with the eastern
Jat. Large numbers of Islam converts are enlisted as Punjabi
Mohammedans, as, for instance, the Kharral tribe, who are
hardy, well-built, and good-looking, possessing the martial
instinct to a high degree, and make very good soldiers.

The Jat Sikh is an exceptionally fine type of Asiatic,
exhibiting a splendid physique, well-proportioned, and solidly
built. With his manly and handsome features, his sturdy
independence, self-respect, and racial pride, he is the beau ideal
of an Oriental soldier. The Khalsa Sikh, or Sikh par excellence,
is drawn from many castes, but mostly from the Punjab Jat,
to whose sturdy and independent character the warlike and
manly precepts of Sikhism appeal. The Jat Sikh is the truest
and best embodiment of Sikhism. Jats who have adopted other
religions and have not entered the fold of Khalsa, do not make
nearly so good soldiers as their brothers who have taken this
step.*


Physical Development. Jat Sikhs as a class are late of develop-
ment ; recruits of eighteen or nineteen years of age are often
lanky, undeveloped-looking lads. As a rule they have well-
shaped chests, with good expansion, and have plenty of " bone."
They rapidly develop into men of powerful physique under a
course of drill, gymnastics, etc., with a liberal diet.

Average height . . . . . . .. 68 to 69 inches.

,, chest girth 33 to 35

weight 140 to 150 Ibs.


It is evident from the information collected on the influence of
food on these different classes of Jats that the evidence bears
out in every detail the conclusions arrived at from a similar
analysis of the conditions prevailing in the several classes of
Rajputs and Dogras. Contrasting tribes or sects derived frcm
the same stock, living under identical conditions and customs,
but under different dietetic standards, we are able to obtain
corroboration of the views generally held by physiologists with
regard to the important role played by protein in the nutrition
of mankind, and the determining influence of a high level of
nitrogenous interchange on the physique, stamina, and manly
characteristics of the individuals of the races
 
lol that's all false.. they didn't distinguished between pathan and non pathans. they were against invaders and looters. Sikh religion was formed because both hindu and muslim religion have some flaws and superstitions.. Sikhism is like improved version of both.

:rofl:

Sikhs believe that Nanak emerged from a river after 3 days and everyone thinking he had drowned, let's not get into talking about superstition. As for flaws well we still see the difference between Jatt Sikhs and Mazhabi Sikhs even to this day so the inherent flaw that Sikhism came to abolish from Hinduism has fallen flat. As for Islam I am not aware of any flaw that Sikhism claims Islam had in fact Nanak had nothing but praise for Islam and was probably a Muslim himself.

Do you allow non Muslims to enter Mecca ?

No and why should we? Muslims believe all Muslims are equal that has nothing to do with non-Muslims or Sikhs treating fellow Sikhs horribly.


Typical.
 
:rofl:

Sikhs believe that Nanak emerged from a river after 3 days and everyone thinking he had drowned, let's not get into talking about superstition. As for flaws well we still see the difference between Jatt Sikhs and Mazhabi Sikhs even to this day so the inherent flaw that Sikhism came to abolish from Hinduism has fallen flat. As for Islam I am not aware of any flaw that Sikhism claims Islam had in fact Nanak had nothing but praise for Islam and was probably a Muslim himself.
there is nothing like that written in our holy book.. keep believing islam has no flaws and no one is following it truly.. right. since times of prophet none followed it in its true spirit... you are blinded by Islamic glasses which rest of us aint
 
Sorry to disappoint you but I have never watched it .watched tipu sultan on ptv :lol:
I read it somewhere maybe in a book by some British author but its true



Do you allow non Muslims to enter Mecca ?

Why should non muslims be allowed in mecca? We are talking about sikhs here belonging to different castes.
 
According to this the British considered Sikh Jatts superior to other Jatts:
Some authorities hold, however, that the Jats are of Scythian
origin. Jats are divided into eastern and western. The eastern
Jats inhabit the eastern districts of the Punjab and United
Provinces. As a rule, only Hindus of eastern divisions are en-
listed for Jat regiments. They are mainly agriculturists, and
make most excellent farmers, rarely equal and never surpassed
by any class of peasantry in India for industry and skill.



These eastern Jats are of very fair physique, and their soldierly
qualities are undoubtedly great ; and though not so sturdy as
some of the other races of the Punjab, their claim to be regarded
as good fighting material is valid.*

The western Jats have largely taken to Mohammedanism and
Sikhism. The better classes of Sikhs are drawn from the Jat
and Khattris, the finest specimens being Jat Sikhs, who possess
all the virtues of the Jat of the Punjab, and many also developed
by Sikhism.

Those Jats who have changed from the Hindu faith to Islamism
and Sikhism have at the same time adopted the dietetic customs
of their new religion. Animal food, therefore, enters much more
largely into their dietaries than is the case with the eastern
Jat. Large numbers of Islam converts are enlisted as Punjabi
Mohammedans, as, for instance, the Kharral tribe, who are
hardy, well-built, and good-looking, possessing the martial
instinct to a high degree, and make very good soldiers.

The Jat Sikh is an exceptionally fine type of Asiatic,
exhibiting a splendid physique, well-proportioned, and solidly
built. With his manly and handsome features, his sturdy
independence, self-respect, and racial pride, he is the beau ideal
of an Oriental soldier. The Khalsa Sikh, or Sikh par excellence,
is drawn from many castes, but mostly from the Punjab Jat,
to whose sturdy and independent character the warlike and
manly precepts of Sikhism appeal. The Jat Sikh is the truest
and best embodiment of Sikhism. Jats who have adopted other
religions and have not entered the fold of Khalsa, do not make
nearly so good soldiers as their brothers who have taken this
step.*


Physical Development. Jat Sikhs as a class are late of develop-
ment ; recruits of eighteen or nineteen years of age are often
lanky, undeveloped-looking lads. As a rule they have well-
shaped chests, with good expansion, and have plenty of " bone."
They rapidly develop into men of powerful physique under a
course of drill, gymnastics, etc., with a liberal diet.

Average height . . . . . . .. 68 to 69 inches.

,, chest girth 33 to 35

weight 140 to 150 Ibs.


It is evident from the information collected on the influence of
food on these different classes of Jats that the evidence bears
out in every detail the conclusions arrived at from a similar
analysis of the conditions prevailing in the several classes of
Rajputs and Dogras. Contrasting tribes or sects derived frcm
the same stock, living under identical conditions and customs,
but under different dietetic standards, we are able to obtain
corroboration of the views generally held by physiologists with
regard to the important role played by protein in the nutrition
of mankind, and the determining influence of a high level of
nitrogenous interchange on the physique, stamina, and manly
characteristics of the individuals of the races

I though you was going to bring some sources which proved British didnt hire mazhabhi sikh in army? This is completly different and we already know about British martial theory.
 
I though you was going to bring some sources which proved British didnt hire mazhabhi sikh in army? This is completly different and we already know about British martial theory.
British did hire Mazhabis but they preferred Jatts, I already said that.
 
heres one flaw of islam right here...non muslim not equal to muslim is in your holy book...casteism is cultural stuff not religious

Lol

Flaw? When sikhs do not even allow people with different caste in to gurdawaras and you are talking about equality. And there is no place for non-muslims in mecca mosque. Its not for tourism.
 
British did hire Mazhabis but they preferred Jatts, I already said that.

And i already know that, sikh jatts were majority of sikhs. But over 30% are mazhabhi sikhs who were not allocated any land by anyone. British used to hire any kind of sikh. Jatt were majority because they make 60% of sikh popularion.

To me its clear sikh jatts didn't allow any mazhabhi sikh to own any land.
 
And i already know that, sikh jatts were majority of sikhs. But over 30% are mazhabhi sikhs who were not allocated any land by anyone. British used to hire any kind of sikh. Jatt were majority because they make 60% of sikh popularion.

To me its clear sikh jatts didn't allow any mazhabhi sikh to own any land.
Jatts were higher ranking officers in the army, that's why Haryana has so many Hindu Jat zamindars because they were high ranking, same with Sikh Jatts.
 
Lol

Flaw? When sikhs do not even allow people with different caste in to gurdawaras and you are talking about equality. And there is no place for non-muslims in mecca mosque. Its not for tourism.
but then anyone can come and visit our holiest places.. no bar religion or caste..jatt is a race not cast.. and as I said casteism is cultural and not religious.

this is what guru nanak said.. manas kee jaat sabay eko pehchanyo.....means whole mankind is one and equal.

while as far as muslim religious books they propagate us believer and them kafirs
 

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