Debunking Indian claims of F-16 firing AIM-120C AMRAAM

[sohail.ishaque]

I agree, of course . A missile part does not prove that an F16 was shot down.

just proves that DG ISPR either is lying or misinformed.

lying. we don't want to claim that we hit anything across the line.

Dont know if its true or not.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1101253149698998273

 

[Rank]

 

[Sal12]

Indian TV's are reporting that F16 was downed by Abi Nandan. What if he goes to India and starts chanting the same. I don't think this is the good idea to release him so soon. This will back fire.

 

[ziaulislam]

now they will start to drum out to TIT not to sell anything on f-16s. people are not seeing the angle they are trying to play.

They were already doing it..this is just to reenforce that fact

 

[MM_Haider]

Oh dear Oh dear - confusion on a higher level...

Lets try to analyse from what we know (or assume we know ):

1. One plane is down in Azad Kashmir - Almost sure its a MIG21 bison
2. One plane is down in Indian occupied Kashmir - We actually don´t know what kind of fighter it was
3. One Indian pilot in Pakistani custody

Pakistan claims:

• Shot down 2 fighters - one fell in Azad Kashmir and one in Indian occupied Kashmir
• We have two pilots one in hospital and one arrested - later on they changed it to only one pilot (a lot of claims of there was one more pilot ie 3 pilot in total. One person in one of the social media movies was talking about another pilot in the air)
• No use of F-16

Indian claims:

• Shot down Pakistani F-16 - and claiming that the F-16 fell on Pakistani soil
• We did not loose any aircraft - later they changed it to we lost one aircraft and one pilot is missing
• Missile parts from AIM 120C-5 shown as proof for that F-16 was used

Now this brings some valid questions:

1. Where are the pilot(s) from the wreckage in the Indian occupied Kashmir?
2. Why don't the Indians tell the world what plane the wreckage they found was from?
3. Why did Pakistan change their statement from 2 pilots to one?

So my assumption is that both sides are hiding knowledge....

• Could it be that F-16 was shot down and the two pilots in the air was Pakistani pilots? - but then where are the wreckage? -This could explain the statement went from two pilots to one. But then again if this was the fact then you should know that the pilot in the hospital was a Pakistani pilot and hence you would not have mentioned it in the press conference. We have seen so many videos of Abhinandan - but none of the other assumed pilot(s)...
• Could it be that it was a SU-30 that was downed and fell in Indian occupied Kashmir - and that's the reason they won't tell what kind of aircraft it was they recovered the wreckage of? But where are the pilots?
• Could there have been 3 aircrafts down? One mig-21 bison, One SU-30 and One F-16?
• Could it be that JF-17 can carry AIM 120-5? - this could explain the missile part in Indian hands and still hold the argument that no F-16 was used. And Pakistan will not disclose that they have managed to incorporate AIMC-5 into JF-17

Plz shed some light on the above.

Plz keep this as a mature discussion. This is only an attempt to get more close to the truth.

Regards

JF 17 can use AMRAAM.. see the brochure .. pakistan cannot write something very copy right-ed like that.. lets close this chapter here

On the missile? Sub-contract numbers are not written on the missile body. Only of the main production order (FA8675-05-C-0070) is written. On this missile or on any other AMRAAM.



Here I kindly post pic of the mijjile -

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Now you will probably claim that we brought the missile from Taiwan on special order with 1-day delivery option on checkout, broke it into pieces, warped it in a controlled explosion, and then passing it off as PAF missile.

you should show the picture of the mijjile with the one who found it.. first look..

 

[ziaulislam]

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JF 17 can use AMRAAM.. see the brochure .. pakistan cannot write something very copy right-ed like that.. lets close this chapter here

Yes the sd10b

 

[Path-Finder]

lying. we don't want to claim that we hit anything across the line.

Dont know if its true or not.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1101253149698998273

That news is true.

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

F-16

 

[denel]

can you elaborate? TIT? you mean not to sell anything to Pakistan. Your views are absent since you pants comments ?

Cloned after our local equivalent - Uncle Mugabe's - That Idiot Mugage - Uncle TIM.... hence T.I.Trump.

 

[Path-Finder]

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[TheDarkKnight]

I agree, of course . A missile part does not prove that an F16 was shot down.


just proves that DG ISPR either is lying or misinformed.

Its easy in aerospace industry there is part number of each equipment for version control and certification and conformity purposes - at any given time we can know if a plane his certified based on the testing done, and an important piece is to check conformity i.e what do I have installed on an aircraft and the certification shows if its qualified to do a certain mission. This is done via part numbers which act as an ID # for the equipment so we can know whats where and when was it made what revision etc etc. Especially for US based equipment if you have the missile debri US can check the serial no if its the missile that was provided to Pakistan. The US govt keeps a check on sensitive tech like AMRAAM so they will definitely be informed if one was used properly rather than giving it to China for reverse engineer and MOST definitely we will need to tell them what happened to the missing F16!! There is no hiding here as far as US equipment is concerned.


Secondly, DG ISPR only states the F16 was not used in the specific operation in which we crossed the LOC, and not that no F16 was ever used in a different defensive scenario at all (i.e over F16s are not just sitting hangers) in which its possible we fired a missile your way; whether that hit something or not thats speculation now but you guys just had an accident of mi17 and another mig 21 on your side, which may just be coincidence or not ...

 

[Path-Finder]

now they will start to drum out to TIT not to sell anything on f-16s. people are not seeing the angle they are trying to play.

F16 and its uses is all known to them, but its the brazen lie the indians are trying to sell is amusing. If any F16 took part they would know about it.

 

[SQ8]

now they will start to drum out to TIT not to sell anything on f-16s. people are not seeing the angle they are trying to play.

That detective, is the right question.

Hence, them finding that section is a little worrisome.

 

[Kai Liu]

Unless you show the wreckage of the plane, everything is B.S...
Remember, a Chinese torpedo could ended up in vietnam's shore... Same thing, this missile could be the one fired during an exercise or training by the PAF.
https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/weapons/a25630315/vietnam-fisherman-chinese-torpedo/

But indians are shameless, their purpose has been achieved: fooling the public, because the general public knows nothing about military/defense unlike PDF members here...

They could just have hired someone to make this "missile debris" shit...

 

[Avicenna]

Holy $hit! Hahahahahahahahaha.
Oh man this is getting better by the hour.

That video is ABSOLUTE COMEDY!