no answer...............if you believe in bonafide source than what about bbc documentry report about talibs taking help from pak army???any answer ...i said before not a single journalist is free to go there and report independently
It's a report, it's not news. If it had been based on facts it would have been news. There's a difference between the two.
If journalists weren't free to criticize the army then Hamid Mir and Najam Sethi should have met the sack a long time ago.
and if he does then meets saleem shehzad fate...
My last argument still stands in this regard, PROVE that he was killed by the agencies or the military.
army also plays foul while launching reports one example
drone attacks started from 2003 and in 2004 it killed naek mohamad meanwhile army through ISPR claimed they killed naek mohammad in airstrike, drone attacks continued in 2005 while army still chanting "we did this" slogan untill an indepentend journalist hayat khan reported a photo after a strike which showed an unexploded part of american hellfire missle....result hayat khan dead body was recovered mutilated from a dump
can you explain why army lied in 2003-2006 about drone attacks????
At that time, Drone attacks were a part of a covert op to get high priority militant targets without having to launch a military offensive in the tribal areas. As long as the military was in power, only 9 drone strikes occurred which show that this weapon was reserved for targets that were of high priority and confirmed by intel.
After Musharraf left and ISI/CIA relations deteriorated, the Americans began using the drones based on their own intel and will. Thus the increase in frequency of attacks.
And please do not distort facts. Although his family alleged at the time of his death that he was killed by the government. Local insurgents later admitted that they killed him because he was an alleged American spy.
you find any difference in al qaeda and army on this part??? both present twisted facts???
Examples of facts twisted by the Army ?
video...........by uploading only you don't get flagged as terrorist. there are plenty of forums on which plenty of taliban alqaeda videos are posted just for analysis and study are they flagged as terrorist???
They repost videos available on the web, I will have to post this on the net before showing it to you. It presents a considerable risk.
here is a suggetion write a good description negating and tearing apart all the claims made in that video.
I need not waste my time. We showed it to journalists from far and wide and they concur with our assessment that the footage is doctored.
polio......... i don't know about it post it i will see, as far as i am concerned i have watched plenty of propoganda videos but didn't find any stuff although i think they really exaggerate there success meaning they killed 100 soldiers etc
You can find plenty of propaganda posters on this as well, tell you what. Get any pathan on this forum, TaimiKhan will be a good choice and ask him about these claims. Anyone living in those areas will testify that the Taliban made considerable use of these for propaganda reasons.
airchief........... 15% success in achieving objectives you just said it..........what does it means?? after 6000 bombs 10000 combat mission only 15% objectives?? is this a joke??? i think objective was eliminating terrorists by killing them isn't??? killing means hitting them and 15% means 5000 boms missed....dialogue??? a joke, i think swat operation started after dialogue failed correct me if i m wrong, now what dialogue means now after 6000 bombs
1) By achieving 15% of their objectives it means that they met 15% of the operational workload. The rest has to be met by ground forces and political forces, it doesn't refer to destroying targets. It refers to completing the op.
2) The objective of calling in an Airstrike is not to "Kill Terrorists" rather to destroy their positions so that they cannot use them to ambush military and civilian convoys.
3) These stats are post-Talks. Before the breakdown of the Nizam-e-adal, there had not been a single military action against the terrorists in Swat.
refugees...............i think there are plenty of mountains in afganistan too which can serve as shelter for insurgents and soviets bombed populations while leaving them at mountains???they would have been finding insurgent leadership in population???
what about ttp leadership hiding in sararoga, makeen, ladha and other population were they targeted inflicting "small" collateral damage, i think drones are more accurate than jdams and other bombs of paf...
1) Why do we find TTP terrorists hiding in our communities ? For the simple reason that it is easier to blend in, otherwise there is no shortage of mountains in Pakistan either.
2) Present 1 case where the PAF struck a populated area ? Priority-targets were always cleared through ground op, even though it cost us in terms of men and material.
habeas corpus........... you get it wrong, in legal language it means a right of a person to be produced before court thats why person arrested by police is produced before court with evidence and if evidence is not strong the person is released on bail othrwise reamnd is granted understand???
where is this right in case of missing persons????
I understood you the first time and I said that I unless the SC orders us to observe this clause, military detainees are not allowed to exercise this right. These are prisoners of war, they are not your common criminals.
mariot case............9 persons accused of terrorism in marriot were aquitted by court were on there release picked up by ISI from adiala jail and when supreme court ordered ISI to produce then in court first they denied any involvement later acknowlegded there detention and defied the court order
Thank you for repeating, I said before that the intel agencies are legally allowed to detain suspects as long as need be without warrant if they are thought to present a threat to the nation. This practice is not peculiar to Pakistan but is practised globally.
torture......................torture is inevitable in terrorism cases, crux of your discussion..
CIA exercised torture so did the ISI difference???? and what about rights ???
gestapo and isi both trample over basic human rights
intel gathering system??? just study the abu zubaida case on wikipedia....abu zubaida was cooperating with cia before being tortured and after he only refused.
Like I said before, our society vest a certain degree of authority in our agencies to protect them. The information these people hide is necessary for the protection of our people and if they share it willingly, they are rewarded. If not, then steps have to be taken to extract that information. You cannot criticize JUST the ISI or CIA or MI6 or Mosaad or FSB on this. It is a part of the global method for extraction of information.
I need not study the Abu-Zubaida case because the victim was not tortured by our agencies even after co-operating. What the CIA does is for the Americans to defend or denounce.
18 year old guy.......... after 2 years of interrogation how many information has been gathered???where are the culprits???mastermind???planning place??? and in which court case is placed????
Like I said, the attack on parade lane was a military case and the accused was an adult. He has most probably been sentenced by a military tribunal.
lucky pal facing same techniques(torture) but still lucky to be in home country hooooa........but dr afia wasnot as lucky as him to remain in home country and others which were sent to guitmo.
1) She was an American citizen and is thus subject to American laws.
2) She was not taken from Pakistan, rather she was taken from Afghanistan as confirmed by her former husband.
3) She was a fanatic as she divorced her husband for not going to Afghanistan to fight ISAF and married a recognized terrorist.
Do a bit of research on this issue, you will find that things are different from how politicians paint it.
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