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DB110 night vision system installed on PAF fighter Jets

Excellent info Echelon, thanks for it.

Well it seems this system can very well be used against India. F-16s flying inside Pakistani air space can look deep inside of India and can give a clear picture of the defensive measures being taken on that side of the border and the preparations and placement of forces near the border in case of emergencies or when IA deploys its forces near the border during any standoff.

Excellent system.
thanks mate no worries!
yes if you see the last pic showing a target/image at a distance of 16nm (29.3KM); the res and details are amazing. F16s can stand-off at 30km and scan for any military movements staying well with in Pak airspace.

I couldnt find any info on what sort of interface / data bus this pod uses and if it is possible to hook it up to JF17? I guess it shouldn't be a problem since its already fitted on Falco UAV.
 
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Goodrich is proposing development of a compact DB-110 long range imaging pod for the General Atomics Aeronautical Systems International Predator B UAV based on lessons from the demonstration of that sensor as part of the UK Ministry of Defence’s Joint UAV Experimentation Programme (JUEP).
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i think PAF is getting the Raptor version of DB-110?
 
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can this night vision system intigrate in jf-17 ?
 
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Somebody says it not against India but it's characters are tells that it would use to spy in night times above 50km with pin point accuracy.



What the hell our mod doing, we did't have none of or none similar to this:angry:
 
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Somebody says it not against India but it's characters are tells that it would use to spy in night times above 50km with pin point accuracy.



What the hell our mod doing, we did't have none of or none similar to this:angry:

I cant allay the anxiety of the eternally paranoid, but can you not see what we have going on in our own country for which we need these PODS. This is the main reason for getting them. As to india , we dont need to look , your own people come and tell us what you have:lol::D
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Excellent info Echelon, thanks for it.

Well it seems this system can very well be used against India. F-16s flying inside Pakistani air space can look deep inside of India and can give a clear picture of the defensive measures being taken on that side of the border and the preparations and placement of forces near the border in case of emergencies or when IA deploys its forces near the border during any standoff.

Excellent system.

not really...don't try to scare the indians they like doing so themselves. sir on both sides of the border 10 kms on each side is officially agreed to be a "no fly zone"!

hence this advantage of having around 30Kms of looking into enemy territory is automatically offset to 20 kms! you add another 5 to make it safe and not to make red lights go on with sirens blazing in enemy bases! so yes a realistic figure would be 15 kms into enemy territory which would also be on the edge of the Pods viewing ability.

secondly indians might currently already possess such technologies through the russian or the israeli assistance.

so in today's TIMES it is no big leap infact we are just catching up to the world. 13 years later!! :coffee:
 
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not really...don't try to scare the indians they like doing so themselves. sir on both sides of the border 10 kms on each side is officially agreed to be a "no fly zone"!

hence this advantage of having around 30Kms of looking into enemy territory is automatically offset to 20 kms! you add another 5 to make it safe and not to make red lights go on with sirens blazing in enemy bases! so yes a realistic figure would be 15 kms into enemy territory which would also be on the edge of the Pods viewing ability.

secondly indians might currently already possess such technologies through the russian or the israeli assistance.

so in today's TIMES it is no big leap infact we are just catching up to the world. 13 years later!! :coffee:

One pic says upto 35NM, which means 65KM, and as per my info its 5KM buffer zone or no fly zone rather then 10KM, so it means we can see atleast more then 50KM deep inside Indian territory. More then enough to see lot of things.

We have been using UAVs for good number of years to collect data on that side, so we are not behind them that many years, and its difficult to say if the Indians have something which matches this pod, they have reccon capability, but such one, i doubt.

Hope now the picture is much clear of what we are having and what advantages it can give.
 
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excellent news for PAF!!! As we induct squadron of UAVs as well, it will be important to incorporate these night vision systems on those too
 
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The inclusion of both Sniper XR pod and now DB-110 pods have surprise me big time as how Yanks agreed to give these to us? Both of them are very capable systems and will add to our current night capability many fold even if they are used only on Falcons in PAF. I am hearing that due to DB-110's modular nature and 1553B data-bus compatibility, it can be equipped on thunders as well as they are already equipped on a veriety of platforms around the world.
 
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One pic says upto 35NM, which means 65KM, and as per my info its 5KM buffer zone or no fly zone rather then 10KM, so it means we can see atleast more then 50KM deep inside Indian territory. More then enough to see lot of things.

We have been using UAVs for good number of years to collect data on that side, so we are not behind them that many years, and its difficult to say if the Indians have something which matches this pod, they have reccon capability, but such one, i doubt.

Hope now the picture is much clear of what we are having and what advantages it can give.
Well the point is U have acquired what best suits u here..... India have what they feel best suits. There are so many differences in the recon capabilities of both forces. After Kargil we changed the entire arena of recon. UAV, Satellite recon,AWACS,long range radars. I think everyone is aware of this development that in few years we are gonna have dedicated satellite for the three armed forces.
Further the SU 30 MKI already has FLIR capability
OLS-30 laser-optical locator system to include a day and night FLIR capability and is used in conjunction with the helmet mounted sighting system. The OLS-30 is a combined IRST/LR device using a cooled, broader waveband, sensor. Detection range is up to 90 km, whilst the laser ranger is effective to 3.5 km. Targets are displayed on the same LCD display as the radar.
And also LITENING targeting pod for Su 30 and MIRAGES....OEPS-27and Vinten reconnaissance pods on JAGUARS
Just a over view correct me if am wrong.
 
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Here is something which I found interesting....
Optical reconnaissance sensors are undergoing a revolution from primarily daytime-only
film camera based systems to 24-hour, day/night digital sensor systems. The changing
world environment, in terms of technological advances and new operational
requirements, has brought about this transition. There is a worldwide trend to replace film
LOROP (LOng-Range Oblique Photographic) cameras with dual-band E-O/IR (electro-
optical/infrared) systems.

Raytheon Systems Company has developed a dual-band reconnaissance sensor,
designated the DB-110, to meet the requirements of both close-range tactical and LOROP
reconnaissance missions. The system is unique in that two optical systems are
incorporated into a single system. This gives a mission planner the ability to optimize
collections for sorties that previously required different sensors, or possibly even
different platforms, to accomplish.

This paper reviews the traditional categories of reconnaissance sensors as background to
the DB-110 development objectives in Section 2. The characteristics and operations of
the DB-110 system are described in Section 3. Section 4 illustrates the multi-mission
capabilities presented by the DB-110 within a matrix of standard reconnaissance mission
types. Finally, Section 5 presents examples of DB-110 flight test imagery which
demonstrate the performance of the system under day and night collection conditions.
2. BACKGROUND

2.1 Types of Airborne Reconnaissance Sensors
Airborne reconnaissance (recce) sensors are generally categorized by their mission type
and altitude range as illustrated in Figure 1. Descriptions and examples of these
categories follow.
High speed, low-altitude penetrating missions are employed in high threat (wartime)
environments to collect imagery directly over targets (nadir ± 5,000 ft swath width).
Altitude ranges of 200-3,000 ft are typical, as are high velocity/range (V/R) ratio
operation. Due to the short range to target and high V/R, low altitude sensors are based
on short focal length optical systems. The Low Altitude Electro-Optical (LAEO) sensor
(1-inch focal length) used in the US Marine Corps ATARS (Advanced Tactical Air
Reconnaissance System) used in the F-18 platform is one such example.

Medium altitude missions are used to collect imagery for both overflight and standoff
missions. In general, medium altitude operations are in the range of 2,500-25,000 ft. In
high threat environments, an aircraft would fly a low-altitude penetration mission, pop-up
to medium altitude to quickly image the area of interest, and then revert to low-altitude
for safe exit. In lower threat environments, the platform may fly at medium altitude and
image at either nadir (overflight) or at left, right or forward oblique (standoff).

Medium altitude sensors employ focal lengths generally in the 6-18 inch range. In the
ATARS sensor suite, the 12-inch focal length Medium Altitude Electro-Optical (MAEO)
sensor is utilized for side looking oblique (pushbroom) imaging in the daytime. The
Predator UAV (Unmanned Aerial Vehicle) utilizes day and night video sensors with
zoom optics.




LOROP (LOng-range Oblique Photographic) sensors systems are utilized to image at
long-range in peacetime as well as in threat environments. The high altitude category is
generally applied to systems typically operating in the 20,000-50,000 foot range (and
above on special mission platforms). The fundamental design characteristic to support
long-range operations is focal length. LOROP’s employ focal lengths of 36-inches or
greater.

LOROP collections are generally at standoff ranges starting from 5 to 10 miles out to the
horizon. In the United States, the only operational LOROP system is the Raytheon
SYERS (Senior Year Electro-Optical Sensor) operating on the U-2 aircraft. The Global
Hawk UAV is also high-altitude standoff platform utilizing the Raytheon Integrated
Sensor System (ISS). The ISS payload contains an optical sensor with a 70-inch focal
length in both the visible and infrared (IR) spectrums, in addition to an integrated
synthetic aperture radar system.

2.2 DB-110 Design Objectives
Raytheon conducted a survey of reconnaissance users in the early part of the 1990’s to
assess the potential for a new product in the marketplace. It was apparent that a change
would occur worldwide with a transition from film-based reconnaissance to digital
electro-optical sensors. Film systems could not support 24-hour reconnaissance, nor
could they easily support the rapid timelines needed in the modern world from collection
of information to delivery to the warfighter. Logistical and environmental considerations
also favored the transition to an all-electronic system to eliminate the support for wet-
film processing and disposal of chemistry.

In addition to the technological evolution from film to digital systems, the Raytheon
survey also indicated a shift in mission requirements. During the Cold War, the
predominant tactical recce mission anticipated was low-altitude overflight to operate in a
wartime/high-threat environment. Following the Cold War, and with the experience of
Desert Storm, military recce requirements underwent a change in emphasis. Most recce
operations today and in the future will occur during peacetime. Overflying a neighboring
country is unacceptable; a border surveillance mission must be flown in order to collect
intelligence information. Long-range standoff (long focal length) systems are essential to
collect useful imagery. Peacekeeping missions (Bosnia, Southern Watch) are usually
restricted to a minimum altitude (e.g. 10,000 feet), therefore also mandating longer focal
length sensors to achieve high quality imagery.

Still, recce capabilities must be available for crisis and wartime environments. Both low
altitude overflight and medium altitude (pop-up) systems will be used in high threat
environments, as will high altitude standoff sensors which increase survivability by
collecting imagery far from ground-based threats. Flexibility to reprogram missions is an
implicit requirement in order to adjust collection strategies in a dynamic environment, for
example to collect Targets of Opportunity.




Raytheon designed a new sensor, designated as the DB-110 (dual-band 110-inch focal
length), to be responsive and flexible with respect to changing world requirements. Basic
design objectives were to accomplish the following:

· Achieve high performance in both day and night missions
· Support both close range and mid/long standoff range missions in a single sensor
· Minimize size and weight to permit carriage onboard multiple platforms
· Design a stabilization system for high dynamics of tactical aircraft
· Minimize cost by use of COTS equipment where possible
· Produce a modular design to facilitate tailoring to individual customer requirements
 
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3. DB-110 SYSTEM CHARACTERISTICS

3.1 DB-110 Development
Even more important than the design objectives cited in Section 2.2 was to have a proven
capability. Both domestic and international customers were skeptical of a “paper design.”
An in-flight performance demonstration was considered essential to prove design
objectives were met.

In response to a “Fly Before Buy” imperative, Raytheon designed, built and flew the DB-
110 sensor in the 1995-1997 time period. Raytheon selected the UK for their 1997
demonstration as the MOD was conducting a competition for the Royal Air Force (RAF)
Tornado aircraft reconnaissance upgrade. This program, Reconnaissance Airborne Pod
(RAPTOR), was awarded to Raytheon, and is described later in this paper.

3.2 System Description
The fundamental design characteristic of the Raytheon DB-110 was to be able to image at
day and night. This objective was translated into operation by the use of a common
telescope with two sets of focal planes – visible and mid-wave infrared. Figure 2
illustrates this design. A long range telescope, shown pointing to nadir, collects energy of
the ground scene. The long-range telescope provides focal lengths of 110-inches and 55-
inches in the EO and IR, respectively. A beam-splitter behind that telescope separates the
visible and infrared wavelength energy. Independent relay optics focus this energy onto
separate visible and infrared focal planes.

The short-range optics are located on the opposite side of the long range telescope and
consist of a 16-inch focal length EO and a 14-inch IR system. Each of these separate
optics use the same focal planes as does the long-range system. In operation, either the
long- or short-range system can be used. The roll gimbal rotates the DB-110 system 180o
to point the desired optic through the aircraft window.
4. MULTI-MISSION OPERATION

The capabilities provided by the DB-110 differ significantly from past sensors. . The
categories include:
· Usage: Day/night
· Sensor: Short-range or long-range (standoff)
· Altitude: Low/medium/high
· Platforms: Penetrating, standoff, UAV
 
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Well the point is U have acquired what best suits u here..... India have what they feel best suits. There are so many differences in the recon capabilities of both forces. After Kargil we changed the entire arena of recon. UAV, Satellite recon,AWACS,long range radars. I think everyone is aware of this development that in few years we are gonna have dedicated satellite for the three armed forces.
Further the SU 30 MKI already has FLIR capability
And also LITENING targeting pod for Su 30 and MIRAGES....OEPS-27and Vinten reconnaissance pods on JAGUARS
Just a over view correct me if am wrong.

Yes agreed with your notion that recon capabilities of both sides has increased over the years, but India being the larger party and having a space program must be having and will have an edge in that area.

As for the pods you mentioned, LITENING is a targeting pod for laser guided weapons, so it won't be having much of recon capability, similarly OEP-27 is an electro-optical sighting system designed to search and track airborne targets following its infrared emissions and engage in air to air battles and has limited ground attack capability, but again not good for recon capability.

Yeah Jaguars have recon pods, but am not sure of the model and year of manufacturing. But like Jaguars these must have been produced years before and the current tech of pods is much superior to the ones seen previously on both sides.

As said am not sure of India's current capability of such pods, but this DB systems being new & latest, PAF for now may have little advantage in quality, if the Indian system is decade older or more, but if India has also the latest digital recon pods of such nature, then we are equal in this section but over all Indian will have an upper hand due to superior resource capability and advanced tech.

If am not wrong India did got some latest tech of the Viten Vicon in last 2-3 years, thus i would say both have same capability now and PAF just catched up with IAF.
 
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