Dawn's Irfan Hussain Calls Iman Khan/TuQ 'Clowns' and 'Demagogues'

[Norwegian]

So where did the demand for the resignation come from and what would that achieve? Even if PTI picks up 4 more seats, what difference does it make?

There was no demand for PM resignation before the march. It was only when he refused to open those 4 constituencies for 14 months that IK came to the streets.

 

[VCheng]

There was no demand for PM resignation before the march. It was only when he refused to open those 4 constituencies for 14 months that IK came to the streets.

That does not make any sense except as an escalation due to egomania.

 

[patriotpakistan]

Things have changed big time? Not at all. All the things you have mentioned are either minor or false, and will soon fade away without much effect at all.

I disagree completely.

 

[Kompromat]

Which domino has toppled so far?

None. Which is exactly why your 'script' theory is BS.

 

[VCheng]

None. Which is exactly why your 'script' theory is BS.

It is because the script has already achieved its goals of limiting the elected government. It is also why IK and PTI have been left high and dry because what they were told in terms of support was withdrawn. Had NS not played ball, IK would have achieved all his demands.

 

[Meengla]

It is because the script has already achieved its goals of limiting the elected government. It is also why IK and PTI have been left high and dry because what they were told in terms of support was withdrawn. Had NS not played ball, IK would have achieved all his demands.

Interesting. So are saying that the script has achieved its goals but IK is left 'high and dry' because IK wants to go beyond the script?

 

[expert]

Yara my whole post is on the premise of IK idiotic demand of PM resignation. He would not go unless PM resigns. he is willing to sacrifice all the other demands for it. Government showed flexibility, of meeting his 5 demands, but didn't he sabotaged it by demanding PM resignation ?

I'm only against his PM should resign stance. All the other demands are legitimate and I fully support them !

The five demands have not been met. The N-leaguers are lying. Heck the N-leaguers are saying even if rigging is proved, it doesn't prove PML did it--no resignation. Everyone knows elections were rigged. All parties in the joint Parliament session said elections were rigged--but "we're still with democracy." Even if the courts say elections were rigged, it's not going to matter--everyone is saying it today--but do nothing.

Is it really a democracy when the the peoples' mandate is not respected?

So where did the demand for the resignation come from and what would that achieve? Even if PTI picks up 4 more seats, what difference does it make?

It will prove that the elections were massively rigged. Most analysts agree that around 40 seats were rigged. Everyone agrees with rigging--they just don't think IK's method of doing things is the right way.

I believe there is no other option. It took 1 month, huge protests and a leaked judicial report to get an FIR registered against the PM/CM and cabinet for 14 murders. PML/PPP leaders are getting acquitted in corruption cases by self-appointed NAB committees. The PM and interior minister lie on the Parliament floor. There is no chance a fair investigation can be completed with so much interference.

 

[Norwegian]

That does not make any sense except as an escalation due to egomania.

Of course it doesn't make any sense to corrupt american mind.

So where did the demand for the resignation come from and what would that achieve? Even if PTI picks up 4 more seats, what difference does it make?

It invalidates entire election as not even one constituency that has been opened so far found for being free and fair.

 

[VCheng]

Interesting. So are saying that the script has achieved its goals but IK is left 'high and dry' because IK wants to go beyond the script?

He is there just to ensure that NS remains scared enough to do what he is told. The same will be achieved by the FIRs and court cases for Model Town. This time if NS reneges he will face jail or worse.

It will prove that the elections were massively rigged. Most analysts agree that around 40 seats were rigged. Everyone agrees with rigging--they just don't think IK's method of doing things is the right way.
I believe there is no other option. It took 1 month, huge protests and a leaked judicial report to get an FIR registered against the PM/CM and cabinet for 14 murders. PML/PPP leaders are getting acquitted in corruption cases by self-appointed NAB committees. The PM and interior minister lie on the Parliament floor. There is no chance a fair investigation can be completed with so much interference.

Most of these experts are only voicing hot air without proof. 40 seats? Please prove the case first.

It invalidates entire election as not even one constituency that has been opened so far found for being free and fair.

No, it does not invalidate the entire election until and unless ECP declares it so.

 

[Meengla]

He is there just to ensure that NS remains scared enough to do what he is told. The same will be achieved by the FIRs and court cases for Model Town. This time if NS reneges he will face jail or worse.

But above you said that Imran Khan is already left 'high and dry'? That seemed to imply game-over for the marches.
Anyway, Cyril Almeida's latest on Dawn today is asking the million dollar question: Was this all meant for 'decapitation' of NS or putting him in place. He is not sure.
PS. I am still not 100% sure about the role of Army in this. Something did cook up in London and probably some fringe/retiring elements (even the outgoing ISI Chief) are involved. But without concrete evidence, by nature, I am too cautious to place blame.

 

[VCheng]

But above you said that Imran Khan is already left 'high and dry'? That seemed to imply game-over for the marches.
Anyway, Cyril Almeida's latest on Dawn today is asking the million dollar question: Was this all meant for 'decapitation' of NS or putting him in place. He is not sure.
PS. I am still not 100% sure about the role of Army in this. Something did cook up in London and probably some fringe/retiring elements (even the outgoing ISI Chief) are involved. But without concrete evidence, by nature, I am too cautious to place blame.

High and dry does not mean cut off completely. High and dry means ready to be refloated when needed, if needed. There is no blame in saying this, merely an acceptance of the way things are in reality.

 

[Jazzbot]

Yara my whole post is on the premise of IK idiotic demand of PM resignation. He would not go unless PM resigns. he is willing to sacrifice all the other demands for it. Government showed flexibility, of meeting his 5 demands, but didn't he sabotaged it by demanding PM resignation ?

I'm only against his PM should resign stance. All the other demands are legitimate and I fully support them !

You can say this demand is stupid because there are rare chances of this demand getting fulfilled. But the demand itself is legitimate. No fair audit of elections is possible under NS who came to power after cheating. His track records shows that he will definitely influence any audit that will threaten his rule / family interests. That is why NS should step down to allow a free inquiry.

Here PTI is right because PTI gave them an option to step PM down for 3 months, and do an audit with current assembly keeps working as normal.

 

[VCheng]

Here PTI is right because PTI gave them an option to step PM down for 3 months, and do an audit with current assembly keeps working as normal.

There is NO such provision in the Constitution to force a temporary stepping down of an elected PM, no matter who makes such a demand. The PM can either resign voluntarily, or lose a No Confidence Motion in the Parliament. That is it. PTI is wrong 100%.

 

[Meengla]

There is NO such provision in the Constitution to force a temporary stepping down of an elected PM, no matter who makes such a demand. The PM can either resign voluntarily, or lose a No Confidence Motion in the Parliament. That is it. PTI is wrong 100%.

The PM, if he chooses to, could resign any time for any reason. However, the handlers of PTI are hoping that if they could make the PM to resign even temporarily then, perhaps, some kind of 'immunity' given to a sitting PM be gone; and/or perhaps there is some 'dominoes effect' leading to the toppling of the entire setup.

The thuggish marchers have no intention to ascertain the authenticity of the vote! By jumping from the original demand of the recount in 4 constituencies to the ultimate demand of the PM' resignation they have given away their ploy: The toppling of the govt itself. Pray, tell us: Why would the recount be credible a year ago when NS would still be the PM and not now, especially that now there are, reportedly, the COAS as the guarantor? Bull $hit!!

 

[VCheng]

The PM, if he chooses to, could resign any time for any reason. However, the handlers of PTI are hoping that if they could make the PM to resign even temporarily then, perhaps, some kind of 'immunity' given to a sitting PM be gone; and/or perhaps there is some 'dominoes effect' leading to the toppling of the entire setup.

The thuggish marchers have no intention to ascertain the authenticity of the vote! By jumping from the original demand of the recount in 4 constituencies to the ultimate demand of the PM' resignation they have given away their ploy: The toppling of the govt itself. Pray, tell us: Why would the recount be credible a year ago when NS would still be the PM and not now, especially that now there are, reportedly, the COAS as the guarantor? Bull $hit!!

But there is no such thing as a "temporary" resignation, hence the demand is a disingenuous way to disguise the real grab for power, and one that fails totally.