LOL nice try to distract from the actual matter. 
Especially when your own sources show exactly what I said about using the radar data of the Flankers (but it's true that it were just K's, although it doesn't matter for the actual matter) for surveillance, to guide the other passive fighters and not include them in the attack formations:
That's what the AWACS or mini AWACS role is about, diverting radar or signal data to others, while operating seperated from them, to not make them vulnerable to detection and to remain safe yourself.
What !!
"distract from actual matter " Roflmao
ok my lord whatever pleases you !!
but sadly again i want to state nowhere did i find mini awacs cant be used for offensive ( enemy's air space) .
meanwhile as all the exercise had held in india & it makes a jack sense that mini awacs concept cant be used in foreign land
which was our main point of discussion
So diverting that to the future IAF fleet, one could use LCA for escorting Rafale strike packages (both passive), while radar data of AWACS or active fighters, that operates outside of the enemy airspace, will be diverted by datalinks.
Day by day sancho your post standards is going into gutters
your saying we would be using LCA for escorting rafale in foreign land eg CHINESE airspace meanwhile ignoring much capable SU 30mki for that mission. IF your mean LCA mark 1 i am afraid it's limited flying hour & range plus limited number of BVRAAM capabilty if carries 2EFT s really makes it really unsuitable for long range missions if you try to divert this blunderous post by replying i meant for LCA mark2 then i dont think it is going to be inducted anyway before 2020.
Just that you have only a narrow field of view to detect IR signatures and that even to very low ranges. So compared to active radar detection, or signal detection via RWR, the IRST is the least useful sensor to provide early warning. So unless you have 100s of fighters, pointing their nose towards our airspace at any giving time, the chance to detect a strike package just by IRST is more than low.
that is for previous gen IRST not for long wave IRST have higher detection range. But we dont know the what type of IRST the chinese have so we cant ignore that possibilty that they could have acquire that IRST too also by fair or unfair means. We Cant underestimate the chinese ' capabilty
& IRST is not used for early warning as it is used for targeting basically that too passively immune to jamming .
Signal detection via RWR has it's limitations how many times i have to repeat that
you again back tracking from prevoius posts
you have said even in active mode a stealth plane is also less detectable than non stealthy fighter
what i want to say
AESA tech remains the same for any gen fighter so if AWACS RWR/ Fighter plane RWR detects it's EM emissions then they are alerted of some flying object . So The fighter which have IRST can head in that direction in a passive mode to detect the threat .
So IR emisions of any plane through air frictions cant be neglected so an IRST would detect that plane if it remains still in active mode by closing in through that direction where EM emissions are coming .
But if the active mode stealth fighter diverts away from the passive stealth fighter package (formation) then only the passsive stealth package wont be detected by patrolling fighters or else cover would be blown for passive stealth fighter package (formation)
No, I am refering on how Rafale or other fighters are used in SEAD operations. You always have 1 fighter that tries to provoke and detect the air defences and other, that will take them out. In Libya the only difference was, that the defence systems had low range and could be attacked with AASM from high altitude too, but if they are more capable, you need to bring the weapon closer to the target and the way to do that,
is to avoid detection:
http://www11.pic-upload.de/12.09.14/g59er3ybged5.jpg
Yes that is main part
how could you avoid detection in SEAD mission against enemies which have
a)long range SAM radars & SAM missiles
b) AWACS
c) aerostat
without the use of
Electronic Warfare in case of Non stealthy fighters with {EFTS & PGMS/CRUISE MISSILES}no matter how low you fly plus whether you are in active or passive mode .
Rafale has this advantage which gives him the edge over SU 30 mki which has to carry external jamming pods to do the same thing .
Rafale's EW also includes Active cancellation tech plus with advent of AESA radar it can be used for EA
SU 30mki EW would also improve with induction of AESA radar plus latest russian tech on EW
The US are also still inversting on EA -18 growler future upgrades even if they may be having 5th gen fighters .
Which is not true, we know that low flying Russian fighters were able to avoid AWACS detection of US carrier groups. Greek Mirage 2000s and F16s were able to avoid E-2 detection during an exercise with the French carrier, not to mention that having AWACS alone doesn't help, if you can't put it in action in useful numbers to cover the whole area and in a useful rotation as it is the case for us now. We are able to support our fighters and ground troops with AWACS in war times today, but we are not able to provide a full coverage of the border areas at 24/7 anytime soon and only if that is possible, with additional overlapping features like aerostats and ground radars, you will get a high possibility to counter low level attack approaches.
citing one or two examples doesnt prove that it would work always in other scenario also.
You must understand that those examples which you have posted has many different factors which needs to be weigh in to come
into any conclusions
1) Topography
sea water is usually flat meanwhile land has uneven surfaces ( Plaetaeu + mountains + Trees + buildings) one cannot fly
uniformly low above land like that someone flies above the surface of sea water
what i meant to say despite having Terrain avoiding softwares installed in a plane you got to fly sometimes high plus low in order to avoid collision which can make you vulnerable in detection sometimes
2) E 2 previous versions were inferior compare to latest version E2d
plus you never know had the fighter planes used their EWs or not along with flying low !!!
3) In land you gonna have other factors also along with AWACS like aerostat plus reconnaise UAVs for surveillance plus NET centric warfare combinations (advanced satellite connectivity plus Cyber ) avoiding their detection purely on basis of low flying without use of EW suite for a nonstealthy plane . I would say Then the pilot must be a damn lucky guy if it indeed goes undetected .
The 2 front war is not a strategy, but the worst case that IAF is trying to prepare for. Therefor they need to be able to have full AWACS coverage of both boder sides at any given time, not only at 1, which is why they estimate that they need around 15 x AWACS to do that in a propper rotation.
Infact plans are there for 20 awacs if you trust citations on wikipedia .But time would tell how many india does inducts
in future
Wrong, that's even what Rafale or the coming upgrades of MKIs with long range attack capabilities are about, hittin China deep in their hinterland, be it from distance or by penetrating and the importance of that should be very obvious too, because the only way to counter their numerical superiority in the air, is to attack their airbases on the ground. The more you take out or at least damage to keep them out of operations for a certain time, the less opponents you have in the air and that includes their AWACS aircrafts.
That's even the common tactic in all wars, even against far less capable countries (Libya, Iraq, Kosovo war up to the WW's), reducing the combat capability of the enemy air force by destroying as many air bases belongs to the first attacks in a war.
Hey wait a minute
you have twisted my post to post totally another thing. The previous post was for AWACS basically when did i say it cant
carry cruise missile .
But ok you have started another topic regarding Air launch long range cruise missile
sadly the same scenario applies for Cruise missiles what do you think latest SAMs are for to engage only planes or what!!
they can also engage cruise missiles & drones also
plus AWACS/AEROSTAT combination can also detect low flying terrain hugging cruise missiles also
The fighter jets can also be used to target cruise missiles if they are in patrol in the skies
Stealth cruise missiles can be taken by missile shape or design or by default as it is terrain hugging
plus high speed cruise missile gives less reaction time to their targets to react
but once again it 's effectiveness depends upon the strength & weakness of the self defence of it's target which includes everything which i have posted for aircraft also .
THe point is to detect the cruise missile as early as possible to engage/intercept them succesfully
Interesting i have read somewhere french were trying to use active cancellation tech for Cruise missiles also
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