Dassault Rafale, tender | News & Discussions

[Gabbar]

There is MRCA thread already, please try to keep all the news related this matter in that perticular thread!!!

 

[Luftwaffe]

irreversible once done is done Rafale is out of MRCA..

 

[gubbi]

irreversible once done is done Rafale is out of MRCA..

Ah! so you would wish! Old news btw, and yes it belongs to the MMRCA thread.

 

[gubbi]

Dude when you guys going to buy these damn planes? I been hearing these for so many years,

It takes time to thoroughly evaluate all these contenders to pick one! That would include ToT so it makes sense not to rush in.
Not unlike some where one develops and the other just buys without evaluating anything thoroughly. A couple of flights make not a thorough evaluation.

 

[Neo]

Threads merged.

 

[maverick2009]

Manmohan Singh sweeping victory over BJP & commies means another 5 years of continuing Singh policy of.

Economic reforms promoting FDI
Cosying up to USA
LESS support al things Russian.

With this mind i fully expect MIG35 to be the next plane dropped from the MRCA after the RAFALE.

The only hope the Russians had was a big commie collation Gov,t in the election.

Thats now finished and the feeling is that F18SH & Typhoon will win the order in October 2009.

Last 3 military orders are

8 X P8 posidoen Maritime Planes from USA $2BILLION
6 x C130J transport planes from USA $1 BILLION
jOINT DEVELOPMENT of Israeli MRSAM $2.5 billion

DEALS ALL signed last year in Singhs PM stewardship.

Any Thoughts

 

[sancho]

Manmohan Singh sweeping victory over BJP & commies means another 5 years of continuing Singh policy of.

Economic reforms promoting FDI
Cosying up to USA
LESS support al things Russian.

With this mind i fully expect MIG35 to be the next plane dropped from the MRCA after the RAFALE.

The only hope the Russians had was a big commie collation Gov,t in the election.

Thats now finished and the feeling is that F18SH & Typhoon will win the order in October 2009.

Last 3 military orders are

8 X P8 posidoen Maritime Planes from USA $2BILLION
6 x C130J transport planes from USA $1 BILLION
jOINT DEVELOPMENT of Israeli MRSAM $2.5 billion

DEALS ALL signed last year in Singhs PM stewardship.

Any Thoughts

Who told you that his policy is less supporting Russian things?

What about Gorshkov carrier, MTA, Brahmos, FGFA, Phalcon AWACS with Russian IL 76 aircraft, Akula nuclear subs, new Mi 17 helicopter and so on!
He opens the market and gives us far more options than ONLY Russian things, but he is not stupid to leave out our best and reliable friend.
If Mig 35 will be out, it's not because of political reasons, but because it offers more disadvantages (not much better capabilities that Mki, total reliability on Russia, Mig 35 is only a prototype and not proven yet, no other country will buy it, not even Russia) than advantages (AESA radar, cheap unit and maintenance costs).
Btw Rafale is still in the competition cause there is still no official report that it's out, only rumors. Also C130J is offered but the contract is not signed yet, only P8I. Just like F18SH and F16IN we have to wait and see how many strings are attached.

 

[heartwinlion]

India's new government to speed fighter jet deal | Industries | Industrials, Materials & Utilities | Reuters

NEW DELHI, May 22 (Reuters) - India will soon hold field trials for the purchase of 126 fighter planes in a $10.4 billion contract that is one of the world's biggest current arms deals.

Boeing's (BA.N) F/A-18 Super Hornet, Lockheed Martin Corp's (LMT.N) F-16, Russia's MiG-35, Sweden's Saab (SAABb.ST) KAS-39 Gripen and the Eurofighter Typhoon, a consortium of British, German, Italian and Spanish companies, are in the race for the lucrative contract.

France's Dassault Aviation was knocked out last month on technical grounds, but could be back after answering queries related to its aircraft, a defence official said.

"All the paperwork is over and a technical evaluation report on the fighters has been placed with the ministry," defence ministry spokesman Sitanshu Kar said.

"Security concerns are a top priority of the government and things should start rolling once the new defence minister takes charge," he added.

STRONGER MANDATE

Prime Minister Manmohan Singh was due to be sworn in for a second term on Friday and name the new defence minister in his cabinet.

With a stronger mandate, Singh is expected to push through key decisions including greater military cooperation with the United States which had been stymied because of opposition from his former communist allies.

"Much of the Congress-led government's last term was spent on the civilian nuclear deal with the U.S. while its communist allies objected to strategic defence ties," said Uday Bhaskar, a New Delhi-based strategic analyst.

India increased its defence spending by nearly a quarter in 2009/10 to $28.9 billion as the government was keen to focus on security following last November's Mumbai attacks.

It is looking to spend more than $30 billion over the next five years to modernise its largely Soviet-era weapons systems.

With elections over, the defence ministry will push for clearing pending projects, including the induction of the Phalcon Airborne Warning and Control Systems (AWACS) aircraft from Israel to track incoming missiles or enemy aircraft.

A defence team from India will visit Russia next month to speed up delivery of the aircraft carrier Gorshkov for induction into the Indian Navy by 2012. (Editing by Sanjeev Miglani)

 

[sancho]

The Hindu : National : Rafale allowed to take part in aircraft bid

After the news emerged in April, the French launched a fresh bid. Many of the issues that remained unresolved were since then addressed, the sources said. Now that the parameters set out in the technical evaluations had been complied with, it was felt that Rafale should be allowed to take part in the bid, along with Boeing’s F/A18, Lockheed Martin’s F-16, Saab’s Gripen, MIG-35 and Eurofighter Typhoon.

 

[fatman17]

ASIA PACIFIC
Date Posted: 21-May-2009

Jane's Defence Weekly

Rafale set for return to MRCA contention

Jon Grevatt Jane's Asia-Pacific Industry Reporter-Bangkok

Key Points
The Indian MoD indicates that Rafale is still in contention for the MRCA bid

The Rafale team is continuing talks with the ministry


Dassault Aviation's Rafale is likely to be allowed to return as a contender to meet the Indian Air Force's (IAF's) multirole combat aircraft (MRCA) requirement, the Indian Ministry of Defence (MoD) said on 21 May.

MoD spokesman Sitanshu Kar told Jane's that it was possible the aircraft could bid for the USD10 billion contest but stressed that the final decision would be made by the incoming defence minister.

Referring to media reports that the MoD's Defence Procurement Board recommended on 19 May that the Rafale stay in the MRCA competition, Kar said: "There is no decision yet. We have to appoint a new defence minister [following a general election earlier this month] and only then can we react to this."

The Rafale was reportedly declared out of the contest in mid-April by the MoD, which said at the time that the aircraft did not meet its technical requirements. IAF and MoD sources also suggested that Dassault did not provide adequate information about the aircraft's equipment. That information is now understood to have been handed over to the MoD, although Kar did not confirm this.

A spokesman from the French embassy in New Delhi confirmed that officials from the French defence ministry had met "several times" with the Indian MoD about the Rafale and still considered the aircraft to be competing in the MRCA contest.

The comments came after Jane's reported on 19 May that executives associated with Rafale considered the platform to be "still in competition in India".

Jean-Noel Stock, Rafale Programme Director within the Electronic Combat Solutions section of Thales' Aerospace Division, argued that the negative news regarding the aircraft's chances in India had emerged to coincide with the Latin American Aerospace and Defence (LAAD) 2009 exhibition, held in Rio de Janeiro, Brazil, between 14-17 April. "You can draw your own conclusion from that," Stock said.

Rafale is also bidding to meet Brazil's 26 aircraft requirement. Stock said a revised bid was submitted on 4 May.

If it is allowed back in the Indian contest, Dassault will join five other contenders in MRCA trials to be held over the next few months.

The others are Boeing's F/A-18E/F Super Hornet, Eurofighter's Typhoon, Lockheed Martin's F-16IN, Russian Aircraft Corporation's MiG-35 and Saab's JAS 39 Gripen Next Generation.

The IAF hopes to induct the first batch of 18 imported MRCAs by 2013-15, while the remaining 108 fighters will be built under licence in India and inducted into service by 2021-22.

 

[Owais]

ASIA PACIFIC
Date Posted: 21-May-2009

Jane's Defence Weekly

Rafale set for return to MRCA contention

Jon Grevatt Jane's Asia-Pacific Industry Reporter-Bangkok

Key Points
The Indian MoD indicates that Rafale is still in contention for the MRCA bid

The Rafale team is continuing talks with the ministry


Dassault Aviation's Rafale is likely to be allowed to return as a contender to meet the Indian Air Force's (IAF's) multirole combat aircraft (MRCA) requirement, the Indian Ministry of Defence (MoD) said on 21 May.

lolz the french reaction in form of civil nuclear offer and defense cooperation with Pakistan make this happened

 

[SQ8]

Havent I been saying it??
This was all a ploy by the French to prod the Rafale's re-entry into MRCA.
Now see whether that nuclear deal with Pakistan or the like is mentioned again.

 

[sob]

Dassaultmay be back in race for Indian defence order

“Dassault Aviation has been cleared to put up its Rafale fighter jet for field trials,” a defence ministry official said, adding that the approval came last week from the government’s policymaking Defence Procurement Board.

The French company, one of six contenders for the mammoth contract, was declared out of the race on 16 April after the military said it failed to meet technical requirements.

“Dassault was dropped as it did not meet user requirements but the decision to reinduct it into the bidding was taken after the company offered the missing answers,” the official said, speaking on condition of anonymity. However, “since a new government is now in place the final call is with the defence minister”.

A formal decision on Dassault’s participation was likely later this week, he added.

It seems that Dassault has been brought back to keep a pressure on the other contenders. This seems to be the only reason otherwise within 3-4 months what improvements have they done that the aricraft is now technically acceptable?

The contract includes the outright purchase of 18 fighter jets by 2012 with another 108 to be built by HAL in India under a “transfer of technology agreement.” India also wants the option to buy 64 more jets.

This is a clear indication that the quantities will be increased and IMO the order may be spilled purely on Geopolitical calculations.

 

[sancho]

It seems that Dassault has been brought back to keep a pressure on the other contenders. This seems to be the only reason otherwise within 3-4 months what improvements have they done that the aricraft is now technically acceptable?

Imo Dassault was never really out, otherwise there would be an official statement about it. It was only a rumor given to the media to put pressure on Dassault. The Rafale is technically far more proven than EF, Gripen NG and Mig 35, it is reported that AESA radar, HMD, a new engine and even CFTs are ready if a customer is ready to pay for it, I doubt that there were really any technical problems.

This is a clear indication that the quantities will be increased and IMO the order may be spilled purely on Geopolitical calculations.

There are reasons to increase the order, if LCA is more delayed, if IAF don't upg Mirage, or Jags and replace them with MRCA, or if some of them can be used for our new carriers for example.
If you are right and politics are the key, I have no doubt that F18SH will win!

 

[Screaming Skull]

IAF completes technical evaluation of $11 billion MMRCA contract; Report with MoD; Expects clearance soon​

27 May 2009

New Delhi: The Indian Air Force said Wednesday it had completed the technical evaluation of six fighter jets from various companies around the world for a medium range multi-role combat aircraft (MMRCA) contract estimated at more than $11 billion. The MMRCA contract is intended to replace the IAF's ageing fleet of Soviet-era fighter aircraft, including MiG-21's and MiG-27's.

"The technical evaluation report is now with the ministry of defence and we are awaiting their clearance," air force chief Air Chief Marshal Fali Homi Major told a news conference.

In contention are Lockheed Martin's F-16 Falcon, Boeing's F/A-18 Super Hornet, Russian Aircraft Corp.'s MiG-35, Saab AB's JAS-39 Gripen, Eurofighter Typhoon and Dassault Aviation SA's Rafale.

"We expect the ministry of defence to clear it soon, so that flight evaluation (field tests) can begin in two or three months after their approval," ACM Major said.

ACM Major also clarified that France's Dassault Aviation SA had been allowed to rejoin the bidding process. He provided no clarifications on the reasons why it had been knocked out of the evaluation process and subsequently allowed to participate.

Last month reports emanating from New Delhi had suggested that Dassault had been knocked out of contention for the contract "during the technical evaluation phase due to non-compliance with some operational requirements."

domain-b.com : IAF completes technical evaluation of $11 billion MMRCA contract