Dassault Rafale, tender | News & Discussions

[angeldemon_007]

I think MOD should take a re-look to Gripen NG and F-18

 

[rockstarIN]

The competitors too are eager to get the orders. we both should share the forex losses though.

 

[sudhir007]

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Announcement of the winner of Indian MMRCA tender to supply 126 medium multi-role fighters regularly postponed, if earlier planned to bring up the contest until the end of 2011, this is now not expected until January 2012. According to the newspaper "Vedomosti" quoted a source close to the "Rosoboronexport", the Ministry of Defence of India may cancel the tender, as none of the planes reached the final does not fit into the budget, scheduled for the purchase of fighter aircraft.

Ministry of Defence of India conducts a tender MMRCA in August 2007. Initially, it involved six companies: RAC "MiG", Eurofighter, Dassault, Saab, Boeing and Lockheed Martin. They suggested that the Indian military MiG-35, Typhoon, Rafale, JAS 39 Gripen IN, F/A-18 Super Hornet and F-16IN Super Viper, respectively. Finalists tender military announced in late April of 2011 - they were a European consortium Eurofighter and the French company Dassault. Currently, the most likely candidate to win is Typhoon.

The winner of the tender will receive a contract valued at $ 11 billion. Earlier, the Indian military said the Typhoon and Rafale best to meet all technical requirements of the Air Force, so the winner will be determined based on the cost of aircraft and the cost of their maintenance throughout life. Prices Rafale depending on the version equipped with range from 85 to 124 million dollars. In turn, Typhoon costs about $ 120 million apiece.

Under the deal, with the winner of the tender, the Indian Air Force 18 fighters will have to get a fully assembled, while others will be produced under license in the country. In addition, the agreement may be extended an option to buy 64 more fighter aircraft. If the tender is canceled, the MiG-35 again has a chance to buy the Indian Air Force.

 

[rockstarIN]

Damn whats happening? if this is the scene, then we will not announce the winner even by March 2012.

Is it the time to concentrate on LCA?

Worst is to go back again to US jets only coz of the costs.

 

[ziaulislam]

i still dont understand the logic of MRCA in the prsense of options like LCA,su 30and mig 29 variants
LCA can cover the light catergery and pakistani boarder wile su 30 the heavy end and mig 29 advance variants can easily cover the intermediate level catergery..
not only india would have safed money but time as well. and the headache of so many platforms

 

[rockstarIN]

i still dont understand the logic of MRCA in the prsense of options like LCA,su 30and mig 29 variants
LCA can cover the light catergery and pakistani boarder wile su 30 the heavy end and mig 29 advance variants can easily cover the intermediate level catergery..
not only india would have safed money but time as well. and the headache of so many platforms

The answer is China, PLAF. btw. we have M2ks too.

 

[PoKeMon]

i still dont understand the logic of MRCA in the prsense of options like LCA,su 30and mig 29 variants
LCA can cover the light catergery and pakistani boarder wile su 30 the heavy end and mig 29 advance variants can easily cover the intermediate level catergery..
not only india would have safed money but time as well. and the headache of so many platforms

Mainly because

1. To enhance ground attack capabilities. Su 30 MKI is more of an air superiority fighter.
2. To get access to european technology.
3. Distribution of arms/logistics dependencies of IAF.

 

[sancho]

Pissed off of it... I think govt should scrap the deal and go for
1. Make 50 more Su30MKI at Pune and order 50 from Russia
2. Order 50 more MiG29SMT from Russia
3. Open 3 Assembly line for LCA , make 50+ LCA per year
4. Acquire more number of SAMs and Ballistic missiles.

I think we can do all this in same price what we are paying for MMRCA.

Not good ideas mate! 150 more Russian fighters, next to the 42 MKIs and 250 FGFAs that are planned anyway? IAF would be freaking costly to operate, totally dependent on Russia and most importantly, on their weapons and techs only.
This all is completely contrary to what IAF really wants!

Point 3, the production of LCA is not an issue so far, because there is no real production line available, since we only produce prototypes so far. It's the R&D side of the project that messed it all up, so don't wast time in thinking about the numbers of LCAs produced in a year, think about how we get the fighter ready for production at all?

4. So you want to defend yourself only with SAMs and the threat that we can nuke other countries? The main aim of our forces is to be capable enough to defend the country with conventional arms, because the use of nukes will make us all to loosers, when all opponents have nukes and are living next to eachother.
To be conventionally strong, you need a strong air force, not only to fight the enemy in your airspace, but to attack him even in his territory. What's the better idea? To fight 30 enemy fighters from 1 air base one after the other in your airspace, or to destroy the air base, before all those fighters can take off?
The same applies to ground forces. We can't wait till 100s of tanks and 1000s of troops crossed the border, we have to keep the as far away as possible. IAF knows that this is not possible with MKI or Russian fighters alone and that's why the MRCA competition has always the main focus on western fighters.
IAF had air superiority with the Russian fighters and their BVR capabilities in Kargil, but still, they didn't decided the war isn't it?
We need the MMRCAs for operational reasons, not to mention the benefit Indian industry will get through offsets and the only way to get these advantages is to get to a final decision!

 

[sancho]

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Announcement of the winner of Indian MMRCA tender to supply 126 medium multi-role fighters regularly postponed, if earlier planned to bring up the contest until the end of 2011, this is now not expected until January 2012. According to the newspaper "Vedomosti" quoted a source close to the "Rosoboronexport", the Ministry of Defence of India may cancel the tender, as none of the planes reached the final does not fit into the budget, scheduled for the purchase of fighter aircraft.

Ministry of Defence of India conducts a tender MMRCA in August 2007. Initially, it involved six companies: RAC "MiG", Eurofighter, Dassault, Saab, Boeing and Lockheed Martin. They suggested that the Indian military MiG-35, Typhoon, Rafale, JAS 39 Gripen IN, F/A-18 Super Hornet and F-16IN Super Viper, respectively. Finalists tender military announced in late April of 2011 - they were a European consortium Eurofighter and the French company Dassault. Currently, the most likely candidate to win is Typhoon.

The winner of the tender will receive a contract valued at $ 11 billion. Earlier, the Indian military said the Typhoon and Rafale best to meet all technical requirements of the Air Force, so the winner will be determined based on the cost of aircraft and the cost of their maintenance throughout life. Prices Rafale depending on the version equipped with range from 85 to 124 million dollars. In turn, Typhoon costs about $ 120 million apiece.

Under the deal, with the winner of the tender, the Indian Air Force 18 fighters will have to get a fully assembled, while others will be produced under license in the country. In addition, the agreement may be extended an option to buy 64 more fighter aircraft. If the tender is canceled, the MiG-35 again has a chance to buy the Indian Air Force.

You just need to read these 3 points to understand how reliable this news is.

 

[Jason bourne]

MIG - 35 INDIAN AIRFORCE KO BUY KARLENGA WAH KYANEWS HE :p

 

[Abingdonboy]

Mig-35 has NO chance if MMRCA is cancelled. F-18E/F or F-35B are much more likely in that unlikely scenario.

 

[janon]

If cost is getting prohibitive, India should go the super hornet way. Although not aerodynamically as good as the EF or Rafale, they still had some of the best in avionics and weapons to offer. This will take care of other IAF objectives like ending dependance on Russian fighters. That in my opinion is very, very important. Except the Jags and the mirage (which wont remain a frontline aircraft in future), everything else we have are Russian, and will be for the next 30 years. That could mean disaster in case of a domestic upheaval in Russia, or Russia being unable to support us for whatever reason. India will have to ground its entire fleet of aircrafts in such a scenario.

Also, this is India's only opportunity to get its hands on western tech.

 

[rockstarIN]

MKI & FGFAs are/will be producing here in India. So no probs. with spares in the russian systems in the future.

No F18 for us, we do not need stuff with strings attached

 

[no_koadsheding_plz]

You just need to read these 3 points to understand how reliable this news is.

Vedomosti - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[deepakclaw]

recently my eager turned to laughter when i hear about mmrca