Dassault Rafale, tender | News & Discussions

[trident2010]

Already posted..check the previous pages trident bhai

Ohh my bad

Cheers buddy!!

 

[kingdurgaking]

I liked the article by that colonel.. Its been suggested by many analysits that we need a fighter to fill the gap of FGFA and AMCA...

So we should look for a partner country with full ToT and complete control over the program with a cheap fighter. And nothing is worth more than Gripen to fill in the space.

Already JV with Tata and Mahindra and definitely it will bring more jobs than what EF proposed. So practically Gripen which was announced getting passed in all trials seems an ideal choice. But my heart still thumbs for Rafale.

Not sure my similar message is missing...

Benny MMRCA will have political advantage so griphen is out of scope there... Secondly only US or EU can provide the advantage what India is looking for...

 

[SpArK]

Not sure my similar message is missing...

Benny MMRCA will have political advantage so griphen is out of scope there... Secondly only US or EU can provide the advantage what India is looking for...

Yup if political scope is to be considered Gripen, Mig-35 and Rafale is long gone.

But i am concerned at the developments of EF , when most of it partner countries will never go for a next generation fighter plane and they are cutting their plane share and looking for F-35s.

 

[SpArK]

Heard this comment before too..

Rafale vs Typhoon in 2009 :

ATLC in UAE : Rafale won 7-1
Solarenza (Corsica): Rafale won 8-0

Rafale is combat proven and is the only omnirole aircraft in activity with great advantages like full sensor fusion and SPECTRA active cancellation. Also the EF is known to be more expensive and to have no future (it is probably the first and last fighter of EADS). BAE said it will probably goes with Dassault for a 5G and UAV.

Forget the EF and go for Rafale

Can anybody shed some light on the stated claim of rafale's win in dogfight over EF??



got it

http://www.defence.pk/forums/938323-post1972.html

 

[SpArK]

A new good video for the bloody EF fans​

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[prototype]

I think it might be superior in A 2 G role (dnt know about Tranche 3)otherwise Typhoon rocks

after the induction of Paveway EFT is good as any other fighters

 

[sancho]

after the induction of Paveway EFT is good as any other fighters

EF already can use older Paveways and is integrating the latets IV version, but that can't be counted as real A2G capabilities with the lack of A2G missiles. More important is the lack of an dedicated pod pylon, because these LGBs needs a targeting pod for guidance. At the moment the EF carries it at the centerline station as you can see in the following pics, which reduces the number of fuel tanks that can be carried and also the range:

So if IAF, SFC, or even IN are searching for a fighter with deep strike capabilities, the EF is obviously the wrong choice!

 

[sancho]

We have seen extensive campaign by France in regard with Brazil competition and its been announced it will be discussed in G-20 meet with Lula.. Nothing of that sort has been heard about the same with India. Its 36 fighters Vs 126 and more...

I think France has been conveyed the message of the decision and it means curtains for Rafale.

I agree with you that Dassault should have tried to push the Rafale with more PR (I think president Sarkozy did his part with our officials, as well as the French forces with IAF), because many people rate the fighters on basis of PR and participation on Aero India with some flight shows. However, we have to see the difference to the deals in Brazil, or UAE too, to understand why they are focusing on them now. The UAE deal is not even a competition, France and Dassault have very close relations and it is more than likely that UAE will not only buy, but even upgrade the Rafale with new capabilities. The negotiations were pretty far, but now seems to stuck, because of some strange comments in a news paper owned by Dassault family. Otherwise it was expected that a final decision will taken even this year, which would be a big point for Dassault not only presenting the first export customer, but also new capabilities.
In Brazil it is even similar, the shortlisting to the final stage was decided long ago and the final decision was about to be taken in oct 2009, but because of further negotiations with the vendors (Dassault, Saab and Boeing), as well as the election this october, the whole deal was delayed.

Compare that to MMRCA now, IAF transfered their report to MoD some month ago, but it's still not clear when there will be a shortlisting. We know that the final decision should be taken in mid 2011, still a long way to go. So they focus on those deals now, that could be done as soon as possible and will hopefully put more pressure on MMRCA after that. Actually, we already saw increased actions from their side this year, Ex Garuda, several deals with Thales, Dassault, MBDA, Sarkozy coming to India in Dec and there are exercises with the French navy and their CDG carrier (that carries 12 Rafale M F3) planed for early next year too.

Would be interesting to see them in comparison to our Mig 29Ks.

 

[sancho]

Btw, the rafalenews.blog already replied to the analysis of Air Cmde (Retd) JASJIT SINGH (http://livefist.blogspot.com/2010/11/analysis-factors-that-should-determine.html):

Is Rafale too heavy for MMRCA ?

If there is no question about the gripen IN being in the same weight class as the Mirage 2000-5, The F-16E/IN, however, is much heavier.
In fact, naked, the F-16E/IN weights the same as the Rafale C, but the french plane is able to carry 30% more load.

The chart below shows the empty and maximum load weight of each aircraft, sorted by increasing empty weight :
While the Rafale is the second lightest jet of the contest (same as the F-16) it is also the second best for maximum payload (just behind the F/A-18E).

Rafale News: Is Rafale too heavy for MMRCA ?

 

[Choppers]

Air Force MRCA Deal - Eurofighter Typhoon Ahead on Technical Parameters

2010-11-07
British newspaper The Telegraph quotes unnamed senior Indian government officials revealing that the Eurofighter Typhoon fighters lead the race to bag the USD 11 billion Indian Air Force Multi-role Combat Aircraft (MRCA) deal.

"There are a number of cost and strategic considerations which still have to be looked at, but in purely technical terms, Eurofighter is ahead"
-- The Telegraph quoting an unnamed senior Indian official

India Defence had earlier reported in September 2010 that Eurofighter Typhoon and Dassault Rafale fighters had emerged as front-runners after field trials were conducted by the Air Force.

Air Force MRCA Deal - Eurofighter Typhoon Ahead on Technical Parameters | India Defence

 

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[MAFIAN GOD]

^^^WE CAN CLEARLY SEE THAT SU-30 MKI CAN CARRY MUCH HIGH LOAD THAN ANY OTHER AIRCRAFT.
WE WILL HAVE AROUND 275 OF THESE BIRDS.SO WE CAN CANCEL F/A-18 SUPER HORNET WHICH IS GOOD IN AIR-GROUND IN MMRCA COMPETITION AND CAN GO FOR THE FIGHTER WHICH HAS A GOOD AIR-AIR CAPABILITIES LIKE TYPHOON/RAFALE.
WHAT DO YOU SAY?