If M88-3 prototype is ready which is supposed to have good trust.. and French doesnt need it shows that they wanted to transfer that liability to the buyers.. where as it is not the case EJ.. This liability will add directly to our assets because Rafael hasnt got prominent Orders then..
And i am sure M88-3 will not be part of the offer.. where they will demand more money for integration and testing as they knew India will demand so..
All it says is, that the Rafale already has a good T/W ratio and the French are only planing to add higher thrust in later upgrades. At the moment they are looking at more durability and reduced maintenance cost with the M88-2 E4, which will be the standard engine of the Rafale F3+, but they offered us the integration of Kaveri-Snecma if we want (the biggest advantage of Rafale, which no other contender can offer!).
Btw, TVC was offered for LCA with EJ engine and most likely with the EF too, but that also has to be funded by us if we want it. Higher thrust GE 414 for LCA, or for F18SH must also be funded by us, so this is definitelly nor French specific, nor has it anything to do with Rafale orders.
As i am saying EF hasnt got the required capability it will be rejected.. and for sure EF is not rejected which shows the confidence on what they posses... As for EW Typhoon was proposed with DASS which is also looks very competitive.. Can you compare the details of the both?... And EF has given impressive Ground attack capabilities in Wiki.. Not sure what was in the offer to MMRCA.. which will tell you how good EF or Rafael is... And for Sea capabilities there is a separate tender for Navy ... and Su will be there.. I dont think IAF has given any request for sea capbilities
Look, first comes the RFI where all vendors responded with their informations on their fighters... and IAF found out, that based on these infos all 6 fits the requirement and they could enter the field trials. But now field trials are over, IAF now can way better judge what was PR in the vendor infos and what is reality. So if they now found out that A2G capabilities are not good enough, that radars will not be delivered in time, or proposed costs are not correctly calculated by the vendors..., now is the time to shortlist/reject them.
I had a discussion about the EW with Lt. Prateek in this thread before, you should search for it, but the currtent EF EWS is not as good as the SPECTRA EWS.
The infos given at wiki, or even Aero India about EFs ground attack capabilities are, about what is possible if every weapon would be integrated, but it does not show what the reality is right now. So far it has not even a single A2G missile (no anti radiation, no anti ship, not anti tank and most important, no cruise missile integrated), which makes it to the least capable in this field!
And you have any news article which says owners are not having funds for integrating weapons??.. So you mean to say France has got huge funds for there fighter program for future upgrades .. when 4 countries are not having funds how come a single country do??
Discussed here often before, finacial crisis caused budget cuts in all partner countries, UK and ITA don't need further A2G capabilities because they will get F35, ITA don't even wanted AESA radar, swashplate AESA radar development just started, because partners couldn't agree on development and funds...
French is going through the same crisis of course and have to cut things too, but they funded the integration of most of the weapons before and don't seems to make cuts on Rafale, because it is meant to replace all older French fighters. 1 country has it easier to look at their budget and decide what to fund and when, compared to 4 countries that has to look at 4 different budgets.
As i see Rafael has not got much future.. not even a single prominent export customer. so chance of it going to China is more which is more dangerous than PAF getting trained on EF... Where as EF is not so.. they have good customers and good orders in the pocket.. with so much countries Future upgrades will be equally shared.. and they have ban on China
That is plain wrong! All EU countries has restrictions on selling arms to China, it was even reported that France had concerns to sell weapons and techs to Pakistan, because they are afraid of techs could be transfered to China.
Also, Rafale has good chances in UAE, Brazil and Swiss, Lybia and Kuwait shows interest too. EF on the other hand, has just lost again a contract in Rumania against F16s and has only the Swiss competition running besides MMRCA.
Btw, EF has around 500 orders (only 2 export customers and both bought for political reasons), Rafale only 180 so far. EF uses mainly cheaper US weapons, while Rafale uses more expensive French/EU weapons. But why is Rafale still offered for lower costs than the EF?
See long term goal.. With EADS we get Civil aviation.. what do Rafael provides?? The consortium will setup a development center in India for future upgrade what about Rafael only ToT... and EU has got more political strategy compared with France alone... in every angel Typhoon looks good... And i want Rafael to win if not Typhoon... but not F18.. But as we see everything goes F18 way
This again is wrong! EADS has never offered a partnership in civil aviation and even if, it would be offered by the French too, because it is half owned by them.
All that is on offer is a EF partnership as a minor partner and mainly outsourcing of avionics and if we had gone for EJ 200 engines, also some of the engine parts for all EFs. I don't deny that this still is a big offer and from the industrial point of view possibly the best, but it does not equalise the clear disadvantages of the fighter itself and that are base requirements, that has to be fulfilled first!
The French on the other hand doesn't offer bad things too, Kaveri-Sncema co-delopment and integration into Rafale, French MBDA already fixed Maitri SAM co-development and offers further partnerships in the weapons field and Dassault has stated to go beyond a buyer seller partnership, although we don't know what that means so far.
The French obviously offers the most co-developments, partnerships and JV and are an independent an sanction proof country, which alone is good for us, but lets hope they will offer a partnership too.
