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[Arun tevar]

There r only there a.c in competition according to me & that is rafi,f-18 & 35.All of them have their advantages and disadvantages,let the best win.the F-sollah should not b a favorate to win considering all the odds against it & the grippi is out of question.

 

[sensenreason]

I feel it will help IAF understand foreign (ie non russian and non french) tech better when they conduct the field trials starting August.

I wonder what stops India or anyone from starting a fake RFP just to evaulate state of the art tech..for instance India could take a decision to buy MIG 35 but still evaluate the others to conduct seemingly aboveboard espionage....

Is this a common practice or just a figment of my imagination....

 

[s90]

Can anyone tell me how much it will take now for India to select a jet?

 

[BSF]

I feel it will help IAF understand foreign (ie non russian and non french) tech better when they conduct the field trials starting August.

I wonder what stops India or anyone from starting a fake RFP just to evaulate state of the art tech..for instance India could take a decision to buy MIG 35 but still evaluate the others to conduct seemingly aboveboard espionage....

Is this a common practice or just a figment of my imagination....

You might want to use normal fonts the next time you post...we are not blind you know.



As a matter of fact it is a good point that you make.
Really worth thinking about.



They might have a chosen contender this time (let me say Mig 35) and they might want to test it in combat with other aircraft like F 16, F 18, Rafel and Euro fighter for weakness and other stuff

 

[sensenreason]

Apologies for the font...am posting after a long time (6 months and made a mistake).

Apart from RFP's to conduct collect info (happens all the time in non-defence pvt sector....) the other point is about this magic number of 126 a/c's. Seems like someone has made some very exact calculations about the number of the planes needed beforehand...

Why not 150 or 200. That seems a little more conventional and in some ways professional....

 

[sancho]

Can anyone tell me how much it will take now for India to select a jet?

How much time? Trials should be ended by aug next year and the final decision should come by end of the year, or beginning of 2011. First aircrafts expected in 2013/14, pretty much the same time when LCA MK 2 production starts also.

the other point is about this magic number of 126 a/c's. Seems like someone has made some very exact calculations about the number of the planes needed beforehand...

Why not 150 or 200. That seems a little more conventional and in some ways professional

MRCA was intended to replace some Mig 21s, because LCA was delayed and couldn't replace all of them alone and in time.
So which Mig 21 could they replace?
We know that the first MRCA squads are expected around 2015 and then the licence production will start also. That clearly could take till the year 2020/25 and the only Mig 21 that are upgraded for such a service life are the Bisons. Reports says around 125 Bis was upgraded to Bison standart, which confirms the number again.
What about the older Mig 21?
Latest reports says around 150 will be phased out in the next 2 years (logicaly the oldest and least capable). Wiki list of aircraft of the Indian Air Force and bharat-rakshak Aircraft Fleet Strength confirms around 54 FL second line fighter and around 81 M/MF ground attack aircrafts as the oldest.

List of aircraft of the Indian Air Force - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Bharat Rakshak :: Indian Air Force - Aircraft Fleet Strength

But to keep the main squad numbers only the M/MF must be replaced soon and this could be done by nearly the same number of LCA MK1 and Su 30 MKI from Russia, that IAF has ordered. The Bis should be in service till LCA MK2 production starts (around 2015) unless the number of problems rise.
So the numbers could be calculated before, cause these are the least numbers of aircraft MRCA must replace, no matter if we chose the cheapest, or the most expensive one!

 

[SSGPA1]

It looks like that India will buy the F-18 jets.

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The US Secretary of State, Hillary Clinton, on a visit to India, said the two sides had agreed an "end-use monitoring" accord.

This aims to help the US ensure that its military technology is not transferred to other countries.

Mrs Clinton also held talks with Indian Prime Minister Manmohan Singh.

During Monday's meeting, Mr Singh accepted an invitation from Mrs Clinton to visit the US in November, officials said.

The end-use monitoring agreement was announced in a joint news conference between Mrs Clinton and the Indian Foreign Minister SM Krishna.

End-use agreements are required under US law for weapons sales.

India is seeking to buy fighter aircraft and nuclear reactors - deals that are expected to generate multi-billion dollar contracts, for which several US companies are bidding.

India also announced on Monday that it had approved sites where American companies will build two nuclear power plants.

It is part of a civilian nuclear deal signed by the US and India last year.

Mrs Clinton is spending three full days in India. She departs on Tuesday.

Correspondents say Mrs Clinton's visit aims to show the US is committed to broadening its ties with Delhi.

Addressing students at Delhi University ahead of the talks, Mrs Clinton said the US wanted to "deepen our strategic understanding" with India and find more common ground.

Mrs Clinton also held talks with the leader of the opposition, Lal Krishna Advani.

India's relations with neighbouring Pakistan were also expected to feature prominently in discussions.

Our correspondent says that publicly Mrs Clinton has insisted that what Pakistan and India do is completely up to them.

But he says everyone in Delhi is clear it was pressure from Washington that pushed the countries to hold talks in Egypt last week.

Pakistan-India relations dominated Mrs Clinton's visit to Mumbai on Saturday, in the wake of attacks on the city last November that left more than 170 people dead.



Clinton: "I have seen a real commitment on the part of Pakistan"
On Sunday, talks in Delhi focused on climate change, which remains a sensitive subject for developing countries such as India and China, which have so far refused to commit to carbon emissions cuts in a new treaty.

Mrs Clinton also sought to assure India the US would not try to impose conditions that might affect India's economic growth.

But Indian Environment Minister Jairam Ramesh said his government could not accept targets that would limit economic growth.

India argues the US must do more as it has been historically to blame for the emissions.

Mrs Clinton later told reporters she was optimistic a deal on climate change could be reached.

The key date for climate change is December - when a summit in Copenhagen will look to forge a new international treaty that will replace the Kyoto Protocol, which expires in 2012.

http://http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/8158489.stm

 

[Maritimer]

It looks like that India will buy the F-18 jets.

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End-use agreements are required under US law for weapons sales.

India is seeking to buy fighter aircraft and nuclear reactors - deals that are expected to generate multi-billion dollar contracts, for which several US companies are bidding.

We have to wait and see. Similar statements were made last week about Rafale and Areva nuclear reactors, when PM Singh visited France. Speculations were made about MiG-35 and more Russian nuke reactors last month during the BRIC summit meeting.

India's defence and nuclear market is set for a massive expansion in the coming decade and the great powers are wooing hard to get a piece of the pie.

 

[Burninspice]

Typhoon in IAF?
Hindol Sengupta, UTVi
Published on Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 20:07 IST


MUNICH: India is shopping for around 130 fighter jets, spending around $10 billion in what is considered to be one of the biggest boosts to the country's air defences. One of the main contenders is Europe's Eurofighter, UTVi went to see the plane. Eurofighter Typhoon jets might be in-charge of all India's air defence system in the next decade.

Built by a consortium of Britain, Germany, Spain and Italy, the Eurofighter is expected to take over most of the NATO policing duties in the next few years.

Col Andreas Pfeiffer, Luftwaffe, said, "The Eurofighter is one of the most advanced fighters we have ever had."

The field trials for jet deal later this year and the contenders apart from the Eurofighter include Russia's MiG-35, Sweden's Gripen, Lockheed Martin's F-16, Boeing's F/A-18 and France's Rafale. Most experts believe that the final battle will be between the Americans and the Europeans. Europeans say that they are willing to totally transfer military technology of the jet to India which is not possible with America. But the Americans are pushing this deal as the big move forward in Indo-US ties post the civil nuclear deal.

Matthias Schmidlin, Eurofighter campaign director, said, "The Eurofighter is the beginning of the greater Indo-Europe ties."

The Eurofighter's most recent task was air surveillance for the World Economic Forum at Davos in January. Among the countries that have bought the fighter, apart from the four nations that built it, are Austria and Saudi Arabia and in a world of economic downturn, this deal will come a huge boost to the industry of the country that wins it.


i Cannot post the link Cause this is my first post on PDF

 

[RPK]

Typhoon in IAF?
Hindol Sengupta, UTVi
Published on Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 20:07 IST


i Cannot post the link Cause this is my first post on PDF

You can post the link as text it automatically converts into links

 

[Burninspice]

Sorry i Can't

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1. You are only allowed to post URLs to other sites after you have made 15 posts or more.

It is form UTVi News site also Yester day there is a special program in UTVi News channel regarding the same!

 

[SQ8]

Are the french out or still in?
AFM says they are out. But the french say they haven't heard of it.
Whats going on?? Isnt it about time somebody gets kicked out??

 

[sancho]

Are the french out or still in?
AFM says they are out. But the french say they haven't heard of it.
Whats going on?? Isnt it about time somebody gets kicked out??

All 6 contenders are cleared for the trials, which will take 1 year. After that 2 - 3 will be shortlisted.

 

[SQ8]

Seems AFM have started hopping into rumors..
And to a certain extent.. in an effort to widen their reader base.. juicing up their stories.

 

[Brahm0s]

i wish india go for typhoon. India shouldn't look which jet fighter costly or cheap. They should go for best. My 1st choise is typhoon and than its mig-35.