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Is it Gripen?
Its EF.. gripen is a single engine fighter.
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Is it Gripen?
So Eurofighter is the best fighter for mmrca?
Is typhoon used by RAF in AFg. or Irq. ??/I seriously believe the typhoon is overrated. It is yet to prove its capabilities.
Did they change the engines within a month?
Anyway i do not believe the prices on the chart, but TWR is correct, i feel...
Question to be asked -------
Are we there looking for best fighter in the market , or the jet that matches the minimal air staff req with L1 price .
In comparison between two diff jets , Rafale and Eurofighter can never be L1
Indian acquisition procedures, in fact, stipulate that the cheapest compliant aircraft, identifi ed as “L1,” should be selected for the force. The least expensive aircraft in this context, however, will be that defined by the criteria laid out in the Request for Proposals and does not refer simply to either an aircraft’s flyaway or acquisition costs. While such a winnowing process would be easy if all the contenders were perfectly commensurate, each airplane in the MMRCA race embodies a different bundle of capabilities. Comparing the costs of the different rivals will, therefore, be a difficult process and, if handled inappropriately, it could produce dangerously suboptimal results.
Given this fact, the Indian government will have to be sensitive not simply to the sticker price of the shortlisted aircraft, but to their true marginal costs—that is, to cost differences insofar as they relate to the true differentials in combat capability, assuming that all the other relevant variables, such as the technology transfer and off set packages, are equal. To the degree that they are not, these differences will also have to be factored into the
assessment of marginal costs. In other words, the final cost comparison of the various contending aircraft will be a far more complex matter than a simple price check.
Is typhoon used by RAF in AFg. or Irq. ??/
Between Refale & Eurofighter which is better in term of technology transfer to india?
between Refale & Eurofighter which is best in term of price & life cycle cost?
All six aircraft which is latest avionics? In which aircraft they give us full TOT of radar & EW warfare?
If we choose the eurofighter, can they provide the engine technology?
The chart is not only old, but like Spark said, filled with wrong infos!
Examples?
- Nearly all costs
- EF has a payload of 7t not only 5t like the chart says
- Rafale TWR 1.08, not 0.8, empty weight and payload 9.5t, G load 9+, SC at least according some Dassault Aviation sources
- F18SH has no GE414 EPE engine yet, that's why the AB thrust is wrong, payload is 8t, Mach 2 is also wrong
- F16 TWR, empty weight, payload, SC,
- Gripen Vixen 500 radar, empty weight, payload, G load,
The Kaveri Snecma engine which would be used in AMCA and later tejas have a thrust of 90Kn.Kaveri engine thrust (achieved till now) - 70-75 kn
The question is how much ToT we would get of these techs, Rafale is often offered with full ToT of the radar + source codes, but I would prefer SPECTRA ToT, to use it later on 5. gen fighters like FGFA.
India is in kind of dilemma ,for what to go and for what not to.
On one side they have Russia but Russia is not a big problem as they can be managed by 5th generation deal
Russia knows MMRCA will not go for their way, as you said its is managed by PAK FA
Then it comes to Sweeden who is offering more TOT out of all competitors also is agreed to work with local companies ,and you can't get a better opportunity to develop your local industry
TOT and local production is offered by everyone, not just Sweden, Gripen will not fit into IAF as we are going for LCA Mk2, which is more or less equal.---problem solved------
but then on the other side You have US who is really trying hard to sell their aircraft and india buy tilting towards US side and being in their corner if rejects that might effect other deals plus may have negative impact on diplomatic relationship.Also the most important factor for India is to have their foot in Afghanistan and they can't do so without uncle sam's help
Afganistan and MMRCA??? two different stuff, no US jets in IAF. Even US knows that they are not gonna win else there should be no strings at all. Ball is in their court.
The last but not the least EF-2000 which by far is technologically superior out of all the aircrafts and rejecting it would really be a bad news also when india already is operating british aircrafts and have years long cooperation in defence field will make it easy to maintain a british origin aircraft
The only confusion is is it EF or Rafale....
There Rafale is good coz it is good as EF (may be 20% difference in capacity) BUT France is not going for F-35, AMCA is powered by France co-Kaveri engine. etc. etc.
There is a huge chance that IAF go for Rafale and AMCA will be developed by India and France as france is not committed to F-35, afterall they need a 5th gen fighter. arent they? they hardly go for PAK FA, and no Chinese one. The only option left with co partner with INDIAN AMCA.