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I'm a bit confused about which fighter you are talking now, if it's still about EF then it has only LGB that needs guidance, unlike Rafale, or F18SH that has GPS guided bombs as well as A2G missiles.
But Sirjee for GPS we dont need Fighter it is the satellite that is going to the job.. and take it for granted... India will never get those weapons from US... so I feel LGB will be the maximum guided weapons .. and i am pretty sure MKI is carrying these bombs with Israeli Litening pods... which is deployed in North east wing command.. i have the pics ... beautiful pics of them... for JSOW or JDAM forget it ... Even if we purchase F16 , F35 or F18 we will not get them..




I see it exatly the other way around, IAF sees the MKI as their main air superiority fighter even above MMRCAs and that's why they don't need similar capabilities again. They need something that will add new capabilities and weapons to the fleet and alongside MKI and in future Pak Fa/ FGFA. That's why I'm pretty sure fighters like the Mig, Gripen and EF, that are mainly aimed on A2A, can't win this competition.
And as I already explained before, MKI will do strikes mainly from distance (Kh 59 250+ Km, Brahmos up to 300Km), but to cross border and remain undetected as long as possible, we need fighters with lower RCSs and good low level attack capabilities. That is what Rafale and F18SH could offer.

Accepted MKI is initially brought for Air superiority but right now with more upgrades they are becoming true multi role... which means there roles will be changed on the follow up order of FGFA.. being a swing role fighter it is easy for them to get converted for bombing options...

And with AWACS deployed across the borders i dont think F18sh or Rafael is going to do any magic... only F22, F35 or FGFA will be capable of doing some magic.. further PLAAF will attack Indian borders with 100's of fighter at the same time and MKI cannot work effectively because of huge RCS and less numbers it will be EFT which will create some magic in that place.. Forget about Rafael or F18sh in that situation... Once we have taken there Fighters then we will be in a position to do SEAD or ground attacks in latter sorties...

Forget PAF our Mig 29, Mirage and Mig21 bis is enough for them.. if need MKI can do complement role by flying from there respective bases..

so i feel Air superiority is still a requirement and we need EFT ....:pop:
 
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But Sirjee for GPS we dont need Fighter it is the satellite that is going to the job.. and take it for granted... India will never get those weapons from US... so I feel LGB will be the maximum guided weapons .. and i am pretty sure MKI is carrying these bombs with Israeli Litening pods... which is deployed in North east wing command.. i have the pics ... beautiful pics of them... for JSOW or JDAM forget it ... Even if we purchase F16 , F35 or F18 we will not get them..

First of all, we can get HAMMER, or SPICE PGM kits from France, or Israel, which has GPS guidance too, secondly even PAF is getting JDAM kits, so why should it be restricted for India?
 
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@sancho

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Two missiles are seen on top of the wing of this Jaguar.. IS there any other fighter having these "same arrangements" ?????
 
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@sancho

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Two missiles are seen on top of the wing of this Jaguar.. IS there any other fighter having these "same arrangements" ?????

Not from the MMRCA contenders, if you are asking because of that, possibly at older fighters I guess.
 
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Not from the MMRCA contenders, if you are asking because of that, possibly at older fighters I guess.

I can find only Jaguars with these over-wing pylon missiles..

And its 2× AIM-9 Sidewinders or Matra R550 Magics .
 
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I can find only Jaguars with these over-wing pylon missiles..

And its 2× AIM-9 Sidewinders or Matra R550 Magics .

Possibly because most other fighters didn't needed it with more weapon stations under the wings.
 
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First of all, we can get HAMMER, or SPICE PGM kits from France, or Israel, which has GPS guidance too, secondly even PAF is getting JDAM kits, so why should it be restricted for India?

Sirjee GPS belongs to US and we already introduced redundancy of GLONASS in Brahmos over the Unreliability of the signal.. What Gurantee can GPS signal can give you as a whole??

Secondly PAF is an Non NATO ally so they will get ... but we are not so... Oke going back to my stand that US may provide the Munition to us for now... but the question is will it explode where we want it...
And we ourself are going to have such Munition very soon for AMCA... Trust me... the key for this is the satellite launches we are going to make especially in GeoStationary orbit... :cheers:
 
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;) I counter with:

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A pic from the Cruzex V exercise in Brazil, where French forces participates with 4 Rafales and 4 Mirage 2000s. Btw, Rafale international and Dassault aviation officials are in Brazil now to and making JV agreements with Brazilian partners, it looks more than good for Rafale now. Some reports hints that after the G20 sumit and towards the end of the exercise, there could be a final decision.
 
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Not from the MMRCA contenders, if you are asking because of that, possibly at older fighters I guess.


Should have even put one on top of the cockpit.. lol or perhaps given one for the pilot to keep in his cockpit.. just in case.
 
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Weapons and payloads


If the Rafale is to carry out all the missions of the AdlA and of the MN, then it is obvious she needs to be able to use all current and future weapons of used by those services. And she should be capable of carrying them as far as possible. Ideally, it should be able to use all of them during the same flight.

The Rafale has 14 hardpoints, (13 for the Rafale M due to the back centerline hardpoint being removed to make room for the arresting hook), including 5 wet hardpoints (to carry fuel tanks) and 3 for heavy loads (Scalp, 2000L fuel tanks). The Rafale is capable of carrying over 8 tons of external payload (9,5t), or 6,8 tons of external fuel (in addition to the internal 4,7 tons of fuel).

All the waypoints are compatible with the STANAG standard, and the ANS (attack and navigation system) is upgradeable in order to add all the current or future french weapons, but also foreign (NATO) weapons. Thus any weapon is easily integrable.

1/ Giat 30M781 B


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The most common weapon is the GIAT 30 M791 B cannon, with a caliber of 30 mm and a rate of fire of 2500 RPM attained immediately (as opposed to gattling guns which don’t reach their max fire rate until a little while). This rate of fire is only 1/6th inferior to the rate of fire of the TWO DEFA 553 guns of the Mirage F1 firing together (3000 rpm). Besides the shell has higher velocity (1025m/s for the 791 vs 800 m/s for the 553). This weapon offers a very good rate of fire for a single barrel weapon, offering very high efficiency for close aerial combat (less than 500m), combine with a very high kinetic energy of the shells (and flatter trajectory of the shells due to the much higher muzzle velocity). For the attack of ground targets, or unprotected naval targets, the rate of fire can be set to a lower value of 300/600 or 1500 rpm. The length of the bursts is usually of a half second (21 rounds at the max rate of fire, or 1kg of explosive), but 1second or “free” bursts can be selected. The gun is operated electronically, and can automatically unjam by getting rid of bad shells and providing for a safety time delay before the next shot. For each shot the recoil remains below 2700 daN. It weights about 120 kg and loaded with 125 OPIT (obus perforant incendiaire traçant – tracing piercing incendiary shell).for most missions. Used for AtoA and AtoG it is calibrated in the 0° axis of the plane.

2/ The Mica


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The air-superiority weapn of choice for the Rafale is the MICA (Missile d’intercetion, de combat et d’auto-défense – interception, combat and self-defense missile). It is a medium range missile, weighting 112 kg, developped to replace both the Super 530D bvr missle and the Magic II short range. It can be rail-launched up to 9G (wings) or launched by pneumatic ejectors at up to 4g (fuselage). It is a multi-target fire and forget missile. It’s high-impulse rocket can accelerate mach 3,5 in addition to the speed of the plane. Its thrust vector nozzles allow it to manoeuver at up to 50g. Its range is rated at over 80km. It doesn’t make tu much smoke and the run of its rocket is short enough to make it harder to detect. Guidance is provided by two interchangeable seekers that can both be used either for close quarter or bvr fights.

- EM seeker (electromagnetic), named AD4A: capable of detecting a target at several tenths of km, with high ECCM capabilities, can reach its target even without information provided by the firing aircraft, and in look down shoot down in spite of the ground clutter.

- IR seeker (infra red): of a very elaborate technology, it has a cooling system with an autonomy of 10 hours. Its imaging infra red seeker and its processor allow it to distinguish between a plan and flares and bright landscape (detection of engine sides, leading edge...) and is hence very difficult to decoy.


The missile has an inertial navigation system that allows it to go to the intercept point that was designated before launch. It has four firing modes:

- long range shot with airccraft-missile link ( LAM. (liaison avion missile) See RBE2), in order to update the intercept point with up to date information in case the target changes direction or speed. The trajectory is optimised all the way during inertial flight, in order to reach the longest range while retaining energy for the terminal phase of the flight. This LAM isn’t necessary for short and medium range shots.
- Long range shot without LAM: the missile gets to the intercept point only thanks to it’s INS, because the shooter breaks away from the fight immediately after the shot. It is completely autonomous, and the seeker will have to wait for the last kilometers to find its target itself.
- Short distance launch after lock; the missile has locked its target and will be completely autonomous
- Short distance launch before lock: the missile is launched and does a hard manoeuver towards its target and then locks it. This is usually a high off boresight shot and is done either thanks to a helmet mounted display or through link 16 track. It allows to shoot at a target located in the six o clock of the missile.

The Mica IR is a totally passive missile. Only its launch could be detected, provided it is launched from close enough. Besides, it’s duality (two choices of seekers) make it very difficult to decoy or to jam, because it is very difficult to manage both IR and EM threats at the same time. It was suggested by its manufacturer that the Mica was about equivalent to the AMRAAM, but with better endgame manoeuvrability.

3/ Meteor

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beyond 2012, the Rafale is going to be able to fire the Meteor. This very long range missile, weighting 185kg and propelled by a ramjet and will allow shots over 100km (max 150km), while retaining its speed of Mach 4 during the whole flight.including terminal phase, making it very dangerous even at the longest ranges. It is going to use an improved version of the AD4A that equips the Mica.

Mica and Meteor will complete eachother nicely, with the Meteor reaching much further than the 80km of the Mica.

4/ AASM


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The AASM (Armement air-sol modulaire – modular air to ground weapon) is a revolutionary concept of weapon. Its basis is a Mk82 (250kg) bomb equipped with a guidance unit and a propulsion kit.

The guidance kit will originally be INS/GPS (inertial and GPS). The whole system, weighting 340 kg is capable of autonomously targeting the coordinates of a fixed target.independently of the weather, and at ranges of up to 50 km at high altitude and 15 km from low altitude with less than 10m accuracy. In case of GPS jamming, its inertial navigation system will take over, which makes it a hard to decoy. The impact angle is adjustable. For low altitude firing the bomb will adopt a “bell” trajectory. The munition allows for a 90° off boresight firing. It is supposed to be affordable, and to allow the destruction of 6 targets in a single pass.

It is a very polyvalent weapon because it can be used for the attack of objectives known in advance, for close air support with targets detected by radar, OSF or link 16, and for sead missions thanks to SPECTRA and Link 16. For the same accuracy than that of a dumb bomb fired in ideal condition, the AASM allows the striker to avoid getting into a dangerous situation with the SAM/AAA. It is a bit less accurate than laser guided bombs, and can’t be used on mobile targets, but it is completely fire and forget and is multi target and all-weather.

Accuracy will be much improved with the adoption of an imaging infra red version. Capable of 1meter accuracy and to recognise its target even if the original coordinates were off.

Other versions have been considered, including a TV and an anti-radiation version. Also planned is the adaptation of similar kits for Mk83 480kg and Mk84 1000kg bombs.

5/ SCALP

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The SCALP is a 1300 kg cruise missile with a range of over 250 km (400km from high altitude). Developped from the Apache (anti-runway/aera denial weapon), it retains most of its characteristics (stealth, Inertial navication system, GPS, radio altimeter, automatic target recognition, terrain following trajectory…), except that instead of the submuntions it carries a military payload of 400kg with penetrator. It can navigate with or without GPS, and can go around the target to deceive air defense.before the final phase of the flight.
Even though it is a tactical weapon, in France it is considered a strategical weapon and is used only with the approval of high authorities.
In the future it is conceiveable to see SCALP missiles with a payload that is adapted according to the target. An anti-ship version is also under development (with cylindrical shape instead of the original shape).
 
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6/ Exocet


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The Exocet (AM-39) is an anti-ship missile with a range of 60 to 70 km. It weights 670 kg and uses a fragment-explosive warhead of 165kg.capable of putting frigate or a destroyer out of action. It uses an active radar which was continuously updated to resist to jamming and decoying. Flying a few meters above the waves at high subsonic speeds it uses several techniques to avoid defenses, such as brutal trajectory changes.

7/ ASMP-A

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The ASMP (Air-Sol Moyenne Portée) is the french airborne nuclear dissuasion missile. It has flown on the Mirage IV, on the Mirage 2000N and on the Super Etendard. The Rafale will carry the ASMP-A (amélioré) which is an improved version of the ASMP. This new version weights 840 kg and has a range of over 600 km. It is a stealth and relatively manoeuvrable, has a programmable trajectory and is capable of fast direction change in order to deceive air defenses. It has a speed of mach 2,5

8/ Reco-NG pod

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The Reco-NG pod weights 920 kg. It brings day/night high/low altitude reconnaissance capabilities to the Rafale, even in bad weather, thanks to two different sensors:
- An infrared captor for low altitude high speed reconnaissance
- A visible specter/near infrared sensor for high and medium altitude.

With those two sensors, a Rafale can overfly an area and then make a low altitude high speed pass once suspect activity has been detected to take very accurate images. The data gathered (digital images) can be treated simultaneously by the NOSA (Navigateur Officier Système d’Armes – Navigator Weapon System Officer), before being retransmitted to other planes for an attack within the following minutes.
The pod is qualified up to at least Mach 1,4 and its impact on the aircraft’s performance is low.

9/ Damoclès pod

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The Damoclès pod was not dedicated to the Rafale, but for the use of LGBs for export it is the most modern system available from France. The range of its tri-band sensor is of about 70 km and its field of view completes that of the OSF which can lose track of a ground target during manoeuvers/overflight. This pod is compatible with GBU24 Paveway 3 1000 kg bombs which has a range of about 50 km.

This pod also has a FLIR in the pylon, which can be used instead of the OSF to let the OSF get back to the surveillance role.

10/ Buddy-buddy refueling pod


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In the particular case of the Marine Nationale, which may require tanker aircrafts in areas where those may not be available, the Rafale can carry a buddy-buddy refueling pod. It has been used at speed between 280-350 knots and up to 20000 feet, and allow a transfer flow of 530liter per minute.

11/ External fuel tanks

In order to carry its weapons far enough, the Rafale can be equipped with two types of droppable external tanks: 1250l supersonic fuel tanks or 2000l fuel tanks. The 1250l tanks can be carried on any of the 5 wet points, while the 2000l tanks can only be carried on the centerline hardpoint and on the two inboard wing hardpoints.

For export, it is sometimes impossible to sacrifice hardpoints to bring more fuel so Dassault developped conformal fuel tanks that are carried on each part of the fuselage over the plane.Each of them carry 1150l of fuel. Their impact on flight performance is negligible thanks to their elaborated shape.

12/ The future

The military programmation law plans to make a jamming pod. The plane is hence going to be able to manage misisons dedicated to such planes as the EA6B prowler and the EA18G Growler
Besides to improve the stealth characteristics of the aircraft, Dassault plans to make it carry come weapons inside stealth shells that would be dropped before the shot. Missiles could also be carried in tube-shapped stealth pods.



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