Dassault Rafale, tender | News & Discussions [Thread 2]

[Lord Of Gondor]

The Eagle's EX variant is also in the running for the 114 fighter deal for the IAF.

 

[dbc]

The F15EX is a beast. Truly a beast. I would so much love to see in the PAF, if it had the money. Alas, that is not to be. It is far superior to everything in Europe right now, until the Tempest comes on line.

yeah, imagine sitting at the edge of space at a 100,000 ft with 22 AMRAAMs and a powerful AESA.

 

[Fighting Falcon 01]

The Eagle's EX variant is also in the running for the 114 fighter deal for the IAF.

India is in no position to afford 114 F15 EX they are super expensive and setting up training and maintenance facilities will also increase costs ..... 36 rafale cost nearly 9 billion USD and the price of 36 F15QA was 12 billion USD I doubt india has that kind of money after purchasing rafale and the Corona virus ...... the only logical step is to go for additional rafale just forget F21 or F15 EX .....

 

[Tameem]

yeah, imagine sitting at the edge of space at a 100,000 ft with 22 AMRAAMs and a powerful AESA.

dbc although Rafale overall design and specs are very good and promising but French still struggle to place a good AESA Radar on it. RBE-2 AESA it seems not very good what you say about it.

 

[dbc]

dbc although Rafale overall design and specs are very good and promising but French still struggle to place a good AESA Radar on it. RBE-2 AESA it seems not very good what you say about it.

AESA is all about software, the US was the first with the ZMAR in the 60s. So a head start with the largest investment on software and hardware evolution. The American AESA has more modes, more capabilities, more power, better range, resolution and hardware.

 

[The Maverick]

dbc although Rafale overall design and specs are very good and promising but French still struggle to place a good AESA Radar on it. RBE-2 AESA it seems not very good what you say about it.

Its superior to Any Radar in PLAAF & PAF for now & in the near term.

Thank fully we are no fighting USA or NATO .......... Infact more likely we will fighting along side them if USA gets its way and India Joins The Quad of USA Japan & Australia

India is in no position to afford 114 F15 EX they are super expensive and setting up training and maintenance facilities will also increase costs ..... 36 rafale cost nearly 9 billion USD and the price of 36 F15QA was 12 billion USD I doubt india has that kind of money after purchasing rafale and the Corona virus ...... the only logical step is to go for additional rafale just forget F21 or F15 EX .....

We are not ordering 114 of anything .... And yes we cant afford it from USA especially

Indian Air Force will 100% guranteed

Pay $5 billion for 83 mark1a Tejas signing in Nov/Dec 2020
Have paid $750 million for 12 SU30MKI to built in HAL india
Have paid $850 million for 21 mig21upg

Indian Air Force are desperately pushing for follow order for rafales of 36 to 44 fighters
But this order is only 50/50 and will not even be signed for 3 more years until intial order is complete

OR GOI has a rethink following china stand off and puts a emergency order in sooner.

I KNOW IAF wants Rafale above any USA fighter of the 4 generation era.

 

[Hephaestus]

Its superior to Any Radar in PLAAF & PAF for now & in the near term.

Thank fully we are no fighting USA or NATO .......... Infact more likely we will fighting along side them if USA gets its way and India Joins The Quad of USA Japan & Australia




We are not ordering 114 of anything .... And yes we cant afford it from USA especially

Indian Air Force will 100% guranteed

Pay $5 billion for 83 mark1a Tejas signing in Nov/Dec 2020
Have paid $750 million for 12 SU30MKI to built in HAL india
Have paid $850 million for 21 mig21upg

Indian Air Force are desperately pushing for follow order for rafales of 36 to 44 fighters
But this order is only 50/50 and will not even be signed for 3 more years until intial order is complete

OR GOI has a rethink following china stand off and puts a emergency order in sooner.

I KNOW IAF wants Rafale above any USA fighter of the 4 generation era.

44 additional Rafale's are a must. Also, picking up all the Mirage's on offer. Are the Qatari's still offering them? Will that be a good idea?

@BON PLAN. Can the Armée de l'Air Française spare some.

 

[jk007]

The Eagle's EX variant is also in the running for the 114 fighter deal for the IAF.

Is F-15EX cleared for India? I read that Boeing is asking that F-15EX be cleared for India. Is it already cleared?

I believe, with the latest actions, China has left no choice for India, but to get into USA camp. India can not handle China + Pak alone. Also, India can not afford to develop all weapons itself. It is too costly.

How much I wish India buying F-15EX.

 

[HalfMoon]

Is F-15EX cleared for India? I read that Boeing is asking that F-15EX be cleared for India. Is it already cleared?

I believe, with the latest actions, China has left no choice for India, but to get into USA camp. India can not handle China + Pak alone. Also, India can not afford to develop all weapons itself. It is too costly.

Clearance by US for sale to India is not an issue. Boeing asked India if they were serious about the MMRCA deal or not. They wanted to ensure India does not cancel the MMRCA 2.0 like it did earlier. Boeing will obtain the approval from US administration once India confirms that it is serious.

 

[The Maverick]

The only thing holding massive usa weapons entering the Indian military is India itself.

Usa companies are falling over themselves and use would love India to ditch Russia even Israel

 

[Hephaestus]

How does F-15EX solve India's requirements conundrum?
In my opinion, go for more Rafale's. Somehow ensure local production by involving private players in conjunction with HAL.
Meanwhile, keep ordering more Mk 1 FOC & wait till Mk 1A

For the navy go for F/A-18F Super Hornet or Rafale M till TEDBF is ready. which could be a while.

Rafale M would be my choice.

 

[Incog_nito]

44 is what I gather. I could be wrong though.


Impressionnant

Maybe. What about the acquisition of other jets?

 

[jk007]

How does F-15EX solve India's requirements conundrum?
In my opinion, go for more Rafale's. Somehow ensure local production by involving private players in conjunction with HAL.
Meanwhile, keep ordering more Mk 1 FOC & wait till Mk 1A

For the navy go for F/A-18F Super Hornet or Rafale M till TEDBF is ready. which could be a while.

Rafale M would be my choice.

Any American plane in India's kit is lot different than rafale in India's kitty.

The only thing holding massive usa weapons entering the Indian military is India itself.

Usa companies are falling over themselves and use would love India to ditch Russia even Israel

Yep, there are too many socialists & communists in india, who simply hate anything american.

 

[The Maverick]

Maybe. What about the acquisition of other jets?

I have listed them already

21 Mig29 up delivery 2021-2022 = Ordered
12 Su30mki 2021-2022 = Ordered
36 Rafale 2020 -2023 = first 4 deliver this month 8 more by Dec 2020
83 Tejas mark1a = price concluded signature Dec 2020 = 2023-2028
44 Rafale = IAF pushing 50/50 2024=2028

Thats 152 fighters definitely by 2028
44 more rafale possibly

= 196 new fighters by 2028

 

[The Maverick]

Any American plane in India's kit is lot different than rafale in India's kitty.

Yep, there are too many socialists & communists in india, who simply hate anything american.

They need to sacked and imprisoned for treason and threat to national.security