Dassault Rafale, tender | News & Discussions [Thread 2]

[somebozo]

Well for the Rafale sellers its not a news until first order goes manufacturing and delivery giving the unreliability of Indian purchasing...

 

[Stephen Cohen]

They will come only in 2022-23.. And two years for ITBF (as someone said)... So we are looking for 2025 for these 18 to be integrated on A carrier...

What is the meaning of ITBF

 

[Ind4Ever]

I heard deal is for less capable Rafale than current config . Any info on that ?

France to investb30% back in India . And negotiations are going on for local manufacturing. This comes after France failed get orders abroad due same Price negotiations . I think they now understand EF is already a successful product than Rafale .

 

[Arsalan]

8.8 billion for only 36 aircraft?
There must be some mistake here or someone is getting filthy rich!!

 

[Dr Shaheryar]

Price Inflation is not the reason...Kickbacks Inflation has increased.

 

[Dash]

8.8 billion for only 36 aircraft?
There must be some mistake here or someone is getting filthy rich!!

There is a dedicated Rafale thread pls visit that before making any assumption

 

[monitor]

8.8 billion for only 36 aircraft?
There must be some mistake here or someone is getting filthy rich!!

It's include weapons training life cycle cost.

 

[Dash]

Wait, in some report its saying that deal cost 9 billion Euro aka 10.15 billion US dollar, then from where 8.8 billion US dollar figure come from ?

Thats in dollars and not euros.

 

[Arsalan]

There is a dedicated Rafale thread pls visit that before making any assumption

Can you guide me to the relevant post there? I guess it will be about ToT and support systems? Still, it is what, 250 million a plane?
Anyway, you are right, i wont make assumption, it will be great if you can guide me to the relevant post.

It's include weapons training life cycle cost.

costing 250 million a plane?

 

[Stephen Cohen]

costing 250 million a plane?

All recent deals ie

Saudi F 15 ; Qatar Rafale ; Kuwait Eurofighter are in the same range
250 to 300 million per piece

 

[cerberus]

costing 250 million a plane?

Yes,MKI Is Not Far From this Figure Either LCC of MKI is around 192 Million $+ Per Plane

And F-35 IS AROUND 468 million $ + Unit Cost

No wonder 4.5++ or 5 gen Gen Aircraft's are one hell Costly Deal to Maintain Presently or in Future

 

[sankranti]

Huh?

Indian sources (and the Indian defence minster) clearly said 126 Rafales:

Deal for 126 Rafale jets ‘economically unviable’: Defence Minister Manohar Parrikar - Indian Express

Einstein.

It is not economically viable with today's economy, which is why its only 36 aircraft immediately which will be delivered only by 2018-2020.

However more Rafale will be viable with the economy we have in the next 5 years. Imagine Indian economy in 2020 and our defence budget then.

To put it in perspective, our defence budget in 2010 was 30 billion $, in 2015 it was 50 billion $.

It is safe to assume that in 2020 our defence budget will be 85-90 Billion $. Rafale made in India will be very much viable then.

 

[Shinigami]

Huh?

Indian sources (and the Indian defence minster) clearly said 126 Rafales:

Deal for 126 Rafale jets ‘economically unviable’: Defence Minister Manohar Parrikar - Indian Express

Einstein.

i couldnt have made it easier. i give up

 

[wiseone2]

There is a dedicated Rafale thread pls visit that before making any assumption

someone is getting filthy rich. the numbers do not add up. Check the USAF acquisition costs for F-16 and F-15

 

[kaykay]

i couldnt have made it easier. i give up

tu bhi ban? haha welcome to bannistan forum...soon this forum will run out of Indians.